RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day

[Catriana]

------ maybe you could elaborate - I don't think I have ever seen you put this in print - I met him , I saw him with her and I am sure he is guilty - what exactly convinces you of this - it must be a fairly strong conviction.

He is arrogant... a trouble-maker... he fought my classmates, lied about his age, drank, gambled, and shows no respect for women, or  really anyone else for that matter.  He just gives off this whole "I'm untouchable" persona.... I think he thinks he's invincible and doesn't care about who he hurts...

I gotta believe this is revisionist history.  If anyone on the trip had that vibe about Joran at the time, I'd think it would be negligent to let NH go off with him alone.   From other interviews (the O'Reilly interview with --- and some other MB teen), the other MB teen said he seemed like a totally normal guy.

I agree regarding the "revisionist" comment.   It's not unusual for witnesses to be effected by what they read and hear.  I believe that some of what Dash may now "recall" most likely has been tainted by all she has witnessed since the last time she saw Natalee.     Certainly, not criticizing, Dash....  but it's just what happens when confronted by so much media and speculation.   There will most likely come a time down the road, where the witnesses can't remember what they really saw and what they were told they probably saw.    It's one of the reasons why juries are sometimes sequested.

[DT]

HUGE BUMMER WE JUST LOST ---

I hope this isn't sarcasm, but if it is then you have no idea about what you are saying.  She was the only person we have at these forums who was on the trip.  It is a loss whether you agree with her or not.

PERHAPS YOU SHOULD READ MY EARLIER POSTS I liked --- and feel very sorry for that entire group.  Others who kept arguing are the ones she finally got fed up with.

Ok good, I though you were being sarcastic, but thankfully I was wrong.

[la_cavalière]

I've been to Aruba at least 4-5 times in my life. I also did underage drinking (there and home here in NY). It doesn't make me a bad person. I'm 23 now and will be returning to Aruba next month. (I'm legal now...lol)

I did plenty of underage drinking from the age of 15 to 21. In college, there was a bar right next to our dorm that regularly served to underage college students when they knew the state Liquor Control agents weren't in town.

I bet the majority of posters here drank before they were legally supposed to. Or am I the only one?

[bendex]

In the whole case my biggest questions are,



- 1. Why lie about dropping of Natalee at the holiday inn

- 2. How did Joran went home from the ashasi beach was he picked up
      Or did he walk home?

- 3. Have they  actually been to the light house .

- 4. Who and Why wrote the deepak email.

- 5. Why did she leave her purse with cash in the hotel

[Marie]

Why does this Dash person say she "knows" he's guilty? Did the Aruban police tell her something they didn't tell the public? Or is she just assuming he did it...much like almost everyone else.

At this point, it could well be wishful thinking.  Natalee is Dash's friend and emotions run high.    I'm sure that the Aruban authorities are not telling Dash any more information than they are telling anyone else.

[friend of monkeys]

Yesterday RUMOR was; expect at least two to be released and MORE arrest coming tonight or tomorrow.
Well.......I'm waiting....it's now tomorrow and nothing mentioned about any new arrest.

Also, could Pauls release be that possibly Joran is now talking?  RUMOR was Paul was arrested in order to get joran to talk....and Joran DID look as if he'd been crying when leaving the court house today.....IMO

Do you think he was crying for himself, or for Natalee?

Himself of course.... after the remark that he'd kick her ass, I doubt if he's capable of anything but ME< ME ME!

I also wanted to add, something AVDS said in her interview with Greta; she stated when she went to visit Joran, he said something about he is reading the Bible that a nice man gave him, and said something to the effect that his mom probably never thought she would see him reading the Bible. He also said to his Mom that this place isn't that bad. To me, that isn't something a person that is not guilty would say. I know if I was accused of something I didn't do, I would be really irrated and want out of jail, probably pleading that I didn't do anything!

He seems a little to laid back to me. JMO.

still beats dead -IMHO

[iquitos]

maybe paul has waived his right not to testify against Joran becaues he knows nothing incriminating.  i don't think you negotiate your release in these cases.  they did not have enough evidence to hold him.  they took him in to pressure Joran.  FOX talking head:  "you don't throw somebody in jail just to appease a grieving family"

[KackyLacky]

HUGE BUMMER WE JUST LOST ---

I hope this isn't sarcasm, but if it is then you have no idea about what you are saying.  She was the only person we have at these forums who was on the trip.  It is a loss whether you agree with her or not.

Right DT. I hate she was so upset today. The family must be really upset. Unless LE has told them somethings ( I am sure they know much more than we do)  that will continue to encourage them to bring Natalee home

[wwizard]

Dash,

{{edit: it's impossible to apologize for others behavior - please, people have a right to their opinions. thank you. }}.   I agree with you.  The ignorance or maliciousness has no place ANYWHERE!!  I, for one, will continue to pray for Natalee's safe return and also know Joran has knowledge of her whereabouts.  Be strong and my prayers are with you.  You have been through too much!

 

I cant deal with this anymore. I left for a few days, and was asked to come back... I did, now I wish I hadn't. I can't stand people's ignorance or maliciousness anymore, so congrats to all of you who want me gone... you win!

To all of you who actually care about Natalee, thank you. Please continue to pray for her safe return... Thank you again for all that you've done.


Again with respect, why is NH above reproach?

The truth will come out (I know more than you know, as do many others... Joran is guilty. This doesn't interest me though; I could care less what is done with him... I just wish he'd say where Natalee is.)

Thank you again to all of you who are supportive! Hopefully, you will keep fighting and be stronger than I can.

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again w/ respect, why is NH above reproach??

[Ting]

A staggering eye opener is to go back to the RBN archive and read some of the earliest thread. I could quote from them today and you would not know the difference. The theorys are the same, the characters are the same. It is just 3 weeks later. Something just doesn't sit right about that.

That's just a side effect of the dearth of actual facts.

[DT]

maybe paul has waived his right not to testify against Joran becaues he knows nothing incriminating.  i don't think you negotiate your release in these cases.  they did not have enough evidence to hold him.  they took him in to pressure Joran.  FOX talking head:  "you don't throw somebody in jail just to appease a grieving family"

I agree.  I remember hearing that they don't do plea bargains in Aruba.

[spab]

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-MBHScool Kid Wrote"The truth will come out (I know more than you know, as do many others... Joran is guilty."

 This statement is following the party line. I have heard Jug Twity say the same thing many times. Just way too much scripting to be believeable....i think she has made the correct decission to not post on here, her statements could be used against her. i alwsy thought it would be best if these kids kept quite, but for the life of me couldnt understnad why their parents let them speak out. I know I wouldnt let my kids say antyhing and woould wanr them to keep quite, just like Paulus VD Sloot told his son.



guyWdog

...hey... give her a break. She's just a kid for christsake..

[katya]

Yesterday RUMOR was; expect at least two to be released and MORE arrest coming tonight or tomorrow.
Well.......I'm waiting....it's now tomorrow and nothing mentioned about any new arrest.

Also, could Pauls release be that possibly Joran is now talking?  RUMOR was Paul was arrested in order to get joran to talk....and Joran DID look as if he'd been crying when leaving the court house today.....IMO

Do you think he was crying for himself, or for Natalee?

Himself of course.... after the remark that he'd kick her ass, I doubt if he's capable of anything but ME< ME ME!

I also wanted to add, something AVDS said in her interview with Greta; she stated when she went to visit Joran, he said something about he is reading the Bible that a nice man gave him, and said something to the effect that his mom probably never thought she would see him reading the Bible. He also said to his Mom that this place isn't that bad. To me, that isn't something a person that is not guilty would say. I know if I was accused of something I didn't do, I would be really irrated and want out of jail, probably pleading that I didn't do anything!

He seems a little to laid back to me. JMO.

I think he was trying to comfort his mom, who is very upset.

[Sleeks]

Why does this Dash person say she "knows" he's guilty? Did the Aruban police tell her something they didn't tell the public? Or is she just assuming he did it...much like almost everyone else.

BECAUSE SHE WAS ON THE TRIP AND A CLASSMATE OF NATALEE'S SHE DID SEE AND HEAR HIM And certainly knows more about him than we do.

[nikkibnurse]

HUGE BUMMER WE JUST LOST ---

I imagine Dash is tired of questions - I know I would be if I were her.  It's gotta be tough being in MB now, what will allt he questions, speculation and innuendo here there and everywhere.

Questions have nothing to do with it.  It is the personal attacks on Natalee.  And yes there are some, it is not all just people trying to figure out what happened.  A lot of it is people making extremely insulting and baseless claims and speculations about a person they dont know.

Exactly..I think Dash wouldve answered what she could have without harming the investigation if she had not been treated so rudely by fellow posters...she was our link to natalee..the one who was with her on this trip..now, thanks to some here that cannot follow one simple rule of "do unto others as you would have done to you" we have lost her insight....

[la_cavalière]

Joran couldn't have been THAT much of a jerk that Sunday. Natalee apparently took a liking to him, and everyone says she had great judgment. If she had thought he was an arrogant liar, I doubt she would have spent any time with him.

[absolut]

Jug on geraldo tonight, could be very telling about what they now know.

[Marie]

She didn't spend much time with him. She has no clue if he's guilty or not. Nobody does.

[writenow]

Dash,

Did Joran get into fights with MB kids 3 different times?
Bryan Reynolds says he broke up a fight with Joran at CnCs the second night, which would have been Friday.
Someone else said he was fighting with Natalee's cousin at the casino on another night.
And there are other reports he was fighting with MB students that last night outside CnCs just before he left with Natalee.

Is that right? Because if so, I wonder how spiteful he was feeling toward all of you. And if so, that means he really had an anger control problem.

[inspector_detector]

SO INSPECTOR WHAT DO YOU THINK HAPPENED???

Well right now (because we havn't found a dead body) I think at some point Joran did leave her alone, and she was kidnapped by someone we have not heard about yet. Maybe she's being held in a personal residence right now against her will?