RBN #28 6/26/05 Sunday Evening

[RB]

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enjoy!

[GuyWdog]

I saw this asked on another thread...Can Paulus VD Sloot now File Suit againt the Prosecuter for unlawful arrest and imprisonment? In that she(Prosecuter) was using him to out pressure on his(Joran) son ? That would NEVER happen in the good ole USA...Thank God...


GuyWdog

[Sleeks]

TRIED TO POST THIS IN THE LAST POST It has already been established that we have all made bad judgements as well as done some stupid things as teenagers.   And yes, think it is safe to say.  Everyone or most everyone did the underage thing.

[HannieC]

iquitos can you help me on this article it`s the only one who`s up to date wich I 'Geen bewijs voor moord op meisje'
Door Maaike Ruepert

Rechter-in-opleiding Paul van der S., die sinds donderdag achter Arubaanse tralies zit, kan zich niet aan de indruk ontrekken dat hij gevangen zit om zijn zoon Joran van der S. onder druk te zetten.

Gisteravond moest rechter-commissaris R. Smid een beslissing nemen of het Openbaar Ministerie (OM) Paul van der S. langer mag vasthouden in verband met zijn mogelijke betrokkenheid bij de vermissing van de Amerikaanse Natalee Holloway. Het OM wil Van der S. langer aan de tand voelen, omdat hij verschillende verklaringen zou hebben afgelegd over wat hij weet wat er is gebeurd in de nacht dat Holloway verdween, vier weken geleden.

,,Het is vreselijk voor hem'', zegt zij advocaat A. Swaen. ,,De man zit al vijftien jaar op Aruba. Ik ken hem professioneel als jurist. Hij zou aan het einde van dit jaar zijn opleiding tot rechter afronden. Zijn leven hangt hier vanaf.'' Van der S. senior wordt net als zijn zoon verdacht van medeplichtigheid aan moord, doodslag of wederrechtelijke vrijheidsberoving met de dood tot gevolg.

De rechter-commissaris heeft tot vandaag de tijd om een beslissing te nemen over verlenging van de detentie van Joran van der S. en de Surinaamse broers Deepak en Satish K. Hoewel A. de Bie, advocaat van Joran van der S. denkt dat zijn cliënt langer vast moet blijven, is er volgens hem geen enkel bewijs. ,,Het OM is alleen nog maar met suggesties en vermoedens gekomen. Er komt een moment dat het niet meer redelijk is om hem langer vast te houden. Het feit dat iemand jokt of ooit een keer gelogen heeft, betekent niet dat hij het heeft gedaan.''

Ook R. Oomen, advocaat van Deepak K., begrijpt niet waarom zijn cliënt zolang wordt vastgehouden. ,,Ik heb geen enkele aanwijzing dat er een misdrijf is gepleegd'', zegt Oomen. Deepak verleent volgens zijn advocaat alle medewerking aan het onderzoek. ,,Hij heeft alles verklaard wat hij kan verklaren. De grenzen zijn genaderd van wat in een rechtstaat acceptabel is.''

Volgens D. Kock, raadsman van Deepaks broer Satish, kan iedereen bij deze zaak worden betrokken. ,,Je voelt dat men niet weet wat er is gebeurd. We weten allemaal niet meer dan dat het meisje wordt vermist.''

De rechter-commissaris heeft gisteren wel Steve C. vrijgelaten. Deze 26-jarige dj van een partyboot, kende Joran van der S. en Satish K. niet eens. Alleen Deepak K. had hij wel eens ontmoet in het internetcafé waar Deepak werkte.

Volgens Deepak en Satish hebben zij Joran van der S. met Holloway op het strand naast het Marriott Hotel achtergelaten in de nacht de Amerikaanse verdween. Zij gingen toen naar huis. Later belde Van der S. naar Deepak met de mededeling dat hij alleen naar huis liep. Zijn huis ligt kilometers verwijderd van het bewuste strand. Later stuurde Van der S. nog een sms'je naar Deepak met de tekst: Ik ben thuis.




can find.... it`s is from the AD newspaper

[DT]

again w/ respect, why is NH above reproach??

In my opinion, because she didn't kill herself?

No one is beyond reproach, the thing is you need some evidence to reproach someone.  And when people continually without any evidence make outrageous claims regarding Natalees behavior it is very offensive to her frriends and to a lot of us as well.  The same is true of Joran or anyone else in this case as well.  For instance, a lot of the attacks on his mother were completely ridiculous and irrelevant.

[la_cavalière]

Natalee introduced herself to Joran, chatted with him, invited him to Carlos 'n Charlie's, danced with him there, walked out with him, and apparently voluntarily got in the car with him. I would say she sort of liked him, although of course she couldn't have known him very well after such a short time.

[Red]

--- wrote:
I cant deal with this anymore. I left for a few days, and was asked to come back... I did, now I wish I hadn't. I can't stand people's ignorance or maliciousness anymore, so congrats to all of you who want me gone... you win!

To all of you who actually care about Natalee, thank you. Please continue to pray for her safe return... Thank you again for all that you've done.

The truth will come out (I know more than you know, as do many others... Joran is guilty. This doesn't interest me though; I could care less what is done with him... I just wish he'd say where Natalee is.)

Thank you again to all of you who are supportive! Hopefully, you will keep fighting and be stronger than I can.

---  

I am going to reserve comment until later that one of the few people who were willing to talk about events just got ran off. Some one who many of us are thankful made an effort to give info when she did not have to.

Many of you have bitched and moaned that there were no MB's making comments or not going on shows. Its not that there were not MB teens doing so ... its they were not saying what you wanted to hear or refused to listen to.

How many times do people have to be told ... these are teenagers ... not adults and the same rules do not apply!

[dragonfly]

It's always fun to see how long it takes for everyone to get over to a new thread...lol

[KKM]

Please update me, as I only stay here and rarely venture out to the main page.

Who are all those people posting comments?  And how did they end up there and not here (I am certainly not complaining).

Also, the following post was under the latest headline on the SM home page.  What's this all about - junk???

ET Says:

June 26th, 2005 at 2:42 pm
It’s cruel hard to say that, but it was horrible to see when she run to swim @ Malmok, and Joran tried to stop her (unsuccessfully), and she drowned…

(that's the end of the post)

[wantsanswers]

Ann Rule and others thought Ted Bundy was a nice guy. They can fool ya!

[KackyLacky]

Joined: 18 Jun 2005
Posts: 216
Location: Dutch guy living on the argentinian pampas
 Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2005 6:50 pm    Post subject:    

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But if there was a struggle want would asume that Joran and friends had some scars on their faces ?

There are rumors joran did have some scratches or marks on his face that Monday.

Disclaimer: not stating this as fact, just rumor read on blog, Dan's I think

[inspector_detector]

I saw this asked on another thread...Can Paulus VD Sloot now File Suit againt the Prosecuter for unlawful arrest and imprisonment? In that she(Prosecuter) was using him to out pressure on his(Joran) son ? That would NEVER happen in the good ole USA...Thank God...


GuyWdog

I doubt it. And what about the security guards that were arrested and Croes?

[kuaitzu]

I feel the reason JVDS told his Mom "it's not so bad here in the prison" is becaue she was so devastated. No matter what..a Mother is a Mother. The jails have no beds..only toilets and concrete floors. He and his Mom appear close..and she was so distraught.

[Loren]

I just hope the Texas search team finds her in what ever condition and gives her parents some peace to go home. I am just not sure that justice will be done in this little banana republic justic system of Aruba's. I hope I'm totally and utterly wrong.

[LilOrphan]

Please update me, as I only stay here and rarely venture out to the main page.

Who are all those people posting comments?  And how did they end up there and not here (I am certainly not complaining).

Also, the following post was under the latest headline on the SM home page.  What's this all about - junk???

ET Says:

June 26th, 2005 at 2:42 pm
It’s cruel hard to say that, but it was horrible to see when she run to swim @ Malmok, and Joran tried to stop her (unsuccessfully), and she drowned…

(that's the end of the post)

Junk.  If she ran to swim and he tried to stop her, that's all he would have had to say from day one. Case closed.  There's more to it -- not saying he deliberately harmed her, but that he did something that involves him to the point of needing to conspire an alibi with friends  and then change it a few times.

[Sleeks]

--- wrote:
I cant deal with this anymore. I left for a few days, and was asked to come back... I did, now I wish I hadn't. I can't stand people's ignorance or maliciousness anymore, so congrats to all of you who want me gone... you win!

To all of you who actually care about Natalee, thank you. Please continue to pray for her safe return... Thank you again for all that you've done.

The truth will come out (I know more than you know, as do many others... Joran is guilty. This doesn't interest me though; I could care less what is done with him... I just wish he'd say where Natalee is.)

Thank you again to all of you who are supportive! Hopefully, you will keep fighting and be stronger than I can.

---  

I am going to reserve comment until later that one of the few people who were willing to talk about events just got ran off. Some one who many of us are thankful made an effort to give info when she did not have to.

Many of you have bitched and moaned that there were no MB's making comments or not going on shows. Its not that there were not MB teens doing so ... its they were not saying what you wanted to hear or refused to listen to.

How many times do people have to be told ... these are teenagers ... not adults and the same rules do not apply!

TEENAGERS WHO HAVE GONE THROUGH SOMETHING VERY TRAMATIC

[la_cavalière]

TRIED TO POST THIS IN THE LAST POST It has already been established that we have all made bad judgements as well as done some stupid things as teenagers.   And yes, think it is safe to say.  Everyone or most everyone did the underage thing.

My challenge was to all the posters here villainizing Joran because he was drinking when he was not old enough (he was about two months shy of his 18th birthday). Unless these posters never drank until they hit the legal age, they are hypocrites.

[bendex]

Hi Hannie ,

I cna try translating it if iquitos is not doing it right now

iquitos can you help me on this article it`s the only one who`s up to date wich I 'Geen bewijs voor moord op meisje'
Door Maaike Ruepert

Rechter-in-opleiding Paul van der S., die sinds donderdag achter Arubaanse tralies zit, kan zich niet aan de indruk ontrekken dat hij gevangen zit om zijn zoon Joran van der S. onder druk te zetten.

Gisteravond moest rechter-commissaris R. Smid een beslissing nemen of het Openbaar Ministerie (OM) Paul van der S. langer mag vasthouden in verband met zijn mogelijke betrokkenheid bij de vermissing van de Amerikaanse Natalee Holloway. Het OM wil Van der S. langer aan de tand voelen, omdat hij verschillende verklaringen zou hebben afgelegd over wat hij weet wat er is gebeurd in de nacht dat Holloway verdween, vier weken geleden.

,,Het is vreselijk voor hem'', zegt zij advocaat A. Swaen. ,,De man zit al vijftien jaar op Aruba. Ik ken hem professioneel als jurist. Hij zou aan het einde van dit jaar zijn opleiding tot rechter afronden. Zijn leven hangt hier vanaf.'' Van der S. senior wordt net als zijn zoon verdacht van medeplichtigheid aan moord, doodslag of wederrechtelijke vrijheidsberoving met de dood tot gevolg.

De rechter-commissaris heeft tot vandaag de tijd om een beslissing te nemen over verlenging van de detentie van Joran van der S. en de Surinaamse broers Deepak en Satish K. Hoewel A. de Bie, advocaat van Joran van der S. denkt dat zijn cliënt langer vast moet blijven, is er volgens hem geen enkel bewijs. ,,Het OM is alleen nog maar met suggesties en vermoedens gekomen. Er komt een moment dat het niet meer redelijk is om hem langer vast te houden. Het feit dat iemand jokt of ooit een keer gelogen heeft, betekent niet dat hij het heeft gedaan.''

Ook R. Oomen, advocaat van Deepak K., begrijpt niet waarom zijn cliënt zolang wordt vastgehouden. ,,Ik heb geen enkele aanwijzing dat er een misdrijf is gepleegd'', zegt Oomen. Deepak verleent volgens zijn advocaat alle medewerking aan het onderzoek. ,,Hij heeft alles verklaard wat hij kan verklaren. De grenzen zijn genaderd van wat in een rechtstaat acceptabel is.''

Volgens D. Kock, raadsman van Deepaks broer Satish, kan iedereen bij deze zaak worden betrokken. ,,Je voelt dat men niet weet wat er is gebeurd. We weten allemaal niet meer dan dat het meisje wordt vermist.''

De rechter-commissaris heeft gisteren wel Steve C. vrijgelaten. Deze 26-jarige dj van een partyboot, kende Joran van der S. en Satish K. niet eens. Alleen Deepak K. had hij wel eens ontmoet in het internetcafé waar Deepak werkte.

Volgens Deepak en Satish hebben zij Joran van der S. met Holloway op het strand naast het Marriott Hotel achtergelaten in de nacht de Amerikaanse verdween. Zij gingen toen naar huis. Later belde Van der S. naar Deepak met de mededeling dat hij alleen naar huis liep. Zijn huis ligt kilometers verwijderd van het bewuste strand. Later stuurde Van der S. nog een sms'je naar Deepak met de tekst: Ik ben thuis.




can find.... it`s is from the AD newspaper

[Ting]

Some perspective on what we know about the school group's interaction with Joran:

Natalee was seen, on different occasions:

engaging in casual chit chat with him in a casino

dancing with him

The young lady who was on the trip reports seeing her walking with someone tall with dark hair (it was dark)

A cousin of Natalee's is said to have had a "scuffle" with Joran. We don't know if "scuffle" in this case refers to raised voices, physical contact, name-calling or what. We don't know what the scuffle was about. Natalee was seen dancing with Joran after this had occurred.

Have I left anything out?

[Sleeks]

TRIED TO POST THIS IN THE LAST POST It has already been established that we have all made bad judgements as well as done some stupid things as teenagers.   And yes, think it is safe to say.  Everyone or most everyone did the underage thing.

My challenge was to all the posters here villainizing Joran because he was drinking when he was not old enough (he was about two months shy of his 18th birthday). Unless these posters never drank until they hit the legal age, they are hypocrites.

MY OPINION IS NOT JUST BASED ON HIS UNDERAGE DRINKING BY ANY MEANS  It is more based on character than anything else.