RBN #28 6/26/05 Sunday Evening

[Ting]

he was accustomed to being treated in a preferential manner, being above the law so to speak.  Joren could do pretty much anything he pleased on the island.

That poses an interesting question. Is Joran widely believed to be the only 17 year old on the island who frequents casinos and drinks alcoholic beverages?

[friend of monkeys]

There is no more evidence of kidnapping than there is of murder.[/quote]

Agreed. IMAO

[GreatOwl]

Judge in training Paul v d S whom since thursday is behind bars in Aruba, cannot resist the impression that he is imprisoned to pressure his son Joran.

Artice forwrded by Hannie C.
Article Algemeen Dagblad

My Apologies for my bad english




can find.... it`s is from the AD newspaper

thank you bendex, for the translation

[arubagirl]

mehill, I don't know if he lied about seeing NH at the HI.

He was held, but suspected of other charges.

[iquitos]

bendex thank for the very good translation  i admire your energy

[Microcephalic]

I don't know if she invited Joran, but I know she told him she was going to CnCs that night.

How do you know she wasn't just answering his question, "What are you all doing tonight?"

If you're going by the "Deepak" emails, remember that 90% of what he said in those was a lie.

And you don't know she walked out with him. He was walking next to her and managed to maneuver her into his friends' car. Her last comments to her friends was that she was going back to the hotel with the MB kids in front of her. Not, I'm going with him (Joran).

Figure it out.

How can one remember something that has not been proved.  Seems more like 90% of the e-mail is accurate.  Again she must have been happy about the kidnapping given that she was seen by students chanting "Aruba Aruba" and saying that she was alright.

[HannieC]

Sobelle wrote:

I agree HannieC. Sometimes the older we get "old-timers" seems to set in. I also think that it is little bit more liberal way of living in Aruba than what a lot of us in the US are use to. So people may need to take that in to consideration when looking at another culture. IMHO

Thanks Sobelle  And what I know of Arubian people and the Antilles those people are laughing and enjoying live and are very welcoming,  by the way I must admit a lot of difference in Holland, not to generalize but although part of the dutch kingdom,  the mentality of the people of aruba and the antilles is a lot different than the netherlands. So I can surely understand that people of a lot of countries are coming on holiday there to enjoy the lighthearted spirits and the sun and the drinks and the beatiful beaches and people.... I hop I don`t sound like an ad or something but I mean it

[wantsanswers]

Natalee introduced herself to Joran, chatted with him, invited him to Carlos 'n Charlie's, danced with him there, walked out with him, and apparently voluntarily got in the car with him. I would say she sort of liked him, although of course she couldn't have known him very well after such a short time.

la_cavalière wrote:
Joran couldn't have been THAT much of a jerk that Sunday. Natalee apparently took a liking to him, and everyone says she had great judgment. If she had thought he was an arrogant liar, I doubt she would have spent any time with him.

Hi, la_cav   .  Maybe you missed my previous response because it was on page 50 of the last thread.  I wrote:

We really don't know if Natalee "took a liking to him" or not. How would we know that? For all we know, he saw her and her group leaving the bar and walked out to try to catch her and spend more time with her. We don't know that she spoke to him other than introducing herself earlier that day. And just because you introduce yourself to someone doesn't mean you took a liking to them. It is being polite. When my husband and I were in Vegas, if we were at a table gambling for a while with the same people, we would introduce ourselves or strike up small talk. That didn't mean we wanted to date the people.

I'd also like to add that I don't recall anyone saying she invited him to CnC's or was dancing with him at the bar.  One more thing.  Last night a woman told of her experience when she was unknowingly drugged with a "date rape" drug.  He husband told her that she was walking and talking coherently, yet she had no memory of it.  ***PERHAPS Natalee was drugged when she left the bar with the group of MBers and then Joran asked her if he could ride with her back to HI.  IN THIS THEORETICAL SCENARIO, she would have been willing to get in the car with him, but she would not have been cognizant of her actions.  JUST A THOUGHT  

Again Ted Bundy was a nice guy to a lot of girls too

[absolut]

Maybe you haven't been reading these forums as much as everyone else, but I've seen people here stating as fact that Natalee was involved in group sex with all three, with no evidence. This is the sort of absolute bullshit I can't stand. It attacks the victim and has no evidence for it whatsoever.

It isn't an attack on the victim if she was drugged and forced. And more powerful if she wasn't drugged by her attackers.

[puggywug]

Hi, all I'm saying is that no one said she danced with him, to my recollection.

Actually, her friend Ed, who was at CnC's that night, said in an interview on Bill O'Reilly, that he did see Natalee and Joran dancing together.

OK, as you all know if you've seen me do this before her, I am not afraid to admit when I am wrong.  So, someone did say they saw her dancing in the bar with Joran.  But I stand by everything else I said.  And my overall point is that some of you don't know that she was interested in Joran.  We do know that she told her friends that she intended to go directly back to the HI after leaving CnC.  We do know that she has not been seen since.  SOMETHING is terribly wrong here, and I am suspicious of Joran.  I am not saying I think he murdered her.  I am thinking more along the lines of an accident or a sexual assault.  But I haven't decided.  IMO, he is the most likely suspect.

[KackyLacky]

I think it was very easy for many posters here to forget Dash was a kid, a teenager. She is articulate, smart and loyal (wonderful qualities). However, most of us on this board are adults who have been around the block a time or 2 and are old hats a message boards or blogs. We have grown thick skin, and can give as good as we get. That should never have been expected of Dash or MBHgirl ( sorry I know I have your name wrong). Not one of us would ever let another adult speak to our teenage child in a hateful manner. Just my 2 cents for what it is worth.

[mehill10]

mehill, I don't know if he lied about seeing NH at the HI.

He was held, but suspected of other charges.

I was just going on what fox new said the reason he was arrested

[absolut]

he was accustomed to being treated in a preferential manner, being above the law so to speak.  Joren could do pretty much anything he pleased on the island.

That poses an interesting question. Is Joran widely believed to be the only 17 year old on the island who frequents casinos and drinks alcoholic beverages?

No but I'll bet he is the only one who is 6' 3" or more.

[writenow]

I don't mean to be argumentative, but if you are concerned about justice, there are countless  cases  of injustice in your own backyard. What are you doing about them?

Katya-friend-of-Joran,

We're not talking about other cases here. We're talking about Natalee. That's why it's labeled Natalee Holloway. You know. You clicked on it when you entered this forum. We're talking about justice in THIS case. Got it?

[SoccerDad]

To be honest, I do not know if I would advise someone so closely connected with the victim to venture beyond websites that deal exclusively with prayers and hopes that Natalee can be returned to her family, a prayer and hope that I share.

I have to say, I agree with you there.  I appreciate all the insight that Dash has given us here, but I think her own well-being should come before our "desire to know".

I hope Dash takes the time to relax and get the comfort and support she needs.

A discussion forum where people are disecting a potential crime against her friend, is not the best place for her at this time.

My thoughts and prayers are with Natalee, her family and today especially.. with her FRIEND, Alana.

I agree with both of you. Well said.

[blfit]

Hi, all I'm saying is that no one said she danced with him, to my recollection.

Actually, her friend Ed, who was at CnC's that night, said in an interview on Bill O'Reilly, that he did see Natalee and Joran dancing together.

OK, as you all know if you've seen me do this before her, I am not afraid to admit when I am wrong.  So, someone did say they saw her dancing in the bar with Joran.  But I stand by everything else I said.  And my overall point is that some of you don't know that she was interested in Joran.  We do know that she told her friends that she intended to go directly back to the HI after leaving CnC.  We do know that she has not been seen since.  SOMETHING is terribly wrong here, and I am suspicious of Joran.  I am not saying I think he murdered her.  I am thinking more along the lines of an accident or a sexual assault.  But I haven't decided.  IMO, he is the most likely suspect.

Well and let's get real....he was the last one to be seen with her.  That alone says alot.  (To me at least!!)

[sandy]

Bendex's translation states Deepak received 2 messages after he left Joran - one I am walking home, 2 I am home - is this normal - or is it part of a plan to establish fake timelines?

[Loren]

I really do not understand what difference it makes if NH liked Joran, danced with him, flirted with him or went off with him in his car on her own volition.... Murder does not follow logically in those scenarios!

[Ting]

In my opinion, whatever consensual behavior any woman (or man, for that matter) engages in does not justify any criminal activity against them.

I have seen no indication that Natalee is suspected of having committed a crime, although it does appear likely that she is the victim of one.

Thus, neither her behavior nor her character require any defending, nor is any harm that may have been done to her less criminal regardless.

[KackyLacky]

heck, I'll admit it, I vacillate between the goog girl/bad girl scenarios with the attending theories.......all I know is what's on this screen

I don't think that drinking at a club, leaving with new friends, or walking alone on the beach makes someone a "bad girl". Nor does it have anything to do with the disappearance case.

just a look at my pic shows what those activities can lead to!.    No those things does not a "ho" make, it never will. And certainly does not mean anyone who engages in those actions deserves to be hurt.