RBN #28 6/26/05 Sunday Evening

[blfit]

Scott - I find your latest comment really offensive.

Maybe there's some cultural difference at play here, but are you telling me it's plausible a guy would call another guy friend to let him know he made it home OK...on Aruba???  Get real!!!

Good point, Scott.

And I still want to know where Joran got the money to be gambling every night in the casinos. That's wild. I grew up playing poker with friends and relatives, but we were using chips or pennies. These casinos are big-boy, high stakes casinos. Where the heck is this kid getting all this money on his family's middle class income? Did he have a job? (We haven't heard of one.) Was he selling drugs to get money for gambling? Where is this kid getting enough money to spend five hours a night or more gambling in casinos? and if Daddy's gambling with him, how is this family financially able to absorb these losses? Because face it, casinos are not set up for someone to win consistently. The odds are deliberately set for the casinos to make the money, not you.

You can buy in to a poker tourney will as little as 10.00

Also, poker is very hot right now, and let it be known that here in my town many, many teenagers are holding tourneys at their own houses and I am talking about kids who are son's of doctors and lawyers.

You haven't answered my question. This kid has no job. Where's he getting his money to gamble?

All he had to have was a couple of dollars.  If you're even an average poker player you can double it easily.

[inthepacific]

Scott - I find your latest comment really offensive.

while I wouldn't have said it the way Scott did, I just asked my 19 yr nephew a couple of minutes ago, if he would have called and or texted someone to say he was walking and he was home. The person who more normally would be calling or texting would be the person already at their home to see if their buddy got home ok. So that is the opinion of a teenage boy, something is wrong with this part of joran's story as usual.

what if deepak said to Joran when dropping him off.."hey bud, text message me when you get home, so I know you made it"

[writenow]

I've been off the board for a few hours....could someone direct me to where the reference to the email between Joran and Deepak came from?? Is this an offical email or a speculation? Thanks.

Edit....sorry text message, not email.

Info comes from Satish's lawyer.

[DT]

Dash provided extremely valuable insight because she was there. She was posting her perspective and opinions. She has some first hand knowledge, which most of us do not.

I'm appalled that she did not receive more compassion.

Compassion? This forum isn't about compassion, it is a theory and speculation forum where anyone can say anything no matter how unfounded it is.  It doesn't matter if you insult a victim with no credible evidence, because that is your opinion and all opinions are valid.

[friend of monkeys]

Scott - I find your latest comment really offensive.

Maybe there's some cultural difference at play here, but are you telling me it's plausible a guy would call another guy friend to let him know he made it home OK...on Aruba???  Get real!!!

Good point, Scott.

And I still want to know where Joran got the money to be gambling every night in the casinos. That's wild. I grew up playing poker with friends and relatives, but we were using chips or pennies. These casinos are big-boy, high stakes casinos. Where the heck is this kid getting all this money on his family's middle class income? Did he have a job? (We haven't heard of one.) Was he selling drugs to get money for gambling? Where is this kid getting enough money to spend five hours a night or more gambling in casinos? and if Daddy's gambling with him, how is this family financially able to absorb these losses? Because face it, casinos are not set up for someone to win consistently. The odds are deliberately set for the casinos to make the money, not you.

You can buy in to a poker tourney will as little as 10.00

Also, poker is very hot right now, and let it be known that here in my town many, many teenagers are holding tourneys at their own houses and I am talking about kids who are son's of doctors and lawyers.

You haven't answered my question. This kid has no job. Where's he getting his money to gamble?

selling porn videos and drugs/x  ???

[Curiosity]

I've been off the board for a few hours....could someone direct me to where the reference to the email between Joran and Deepak came from?? Is this an offical email or a speculation? Thanks.

Edit....sorry text message, not email.

Info comes from Satish's lawyer.

Thank you, I appreciate the info.

[Sobelle]

Scott - I find your latest comment really offensive.

Maybe there's some cultural difference at play here, but are you telling me it's plausible a guy would call another guy friend to let him know he made it home OK...on Aruba???  Get real!!!

There could be another meaning to "he made it home OK".  I'm trying to be delicate here an I'm in no way meaning to slur Natalee's reputation.

[writenow]

Scott - I find your latest comment really offensive.

Maybe there's some cultural difference at play here, but are you telling me it's plausible a guy would call another guy friend to let him know he made it home OK...on Aruba???  Get real!!!

Good point, Scott.

And I still want to know where Joran got the money to be gambling every night in the casinos. That's wild. I grew up playing poker with friends and relatives, but we were using chips or pennies. These casinos are big-boy, high stakes casinos. Where the heck is this kid getting all this money on his family's middle class income? Did he have a job? (We haven't heard of one.) Was he selling drugs to get money for gambling? Where is this kid getting enough money to spend five hours a night or more gambling in casinos? and if Daddy's gambling with him, how is this family financially able to absorb these losses? Because face it, casinos are not set up for someone to win consistently. The odds are deliberately set for the casinos to make the money, not you.

You can buy in to a poker tourney will as little as 10.00

Also, poker is very hot right now, and let it be known that here in my town many, many teenagers are holding tourneys at their own houses and I am talking about kids who are son's of doctors and lawyers.

You haven't answered my question. This kid has no job. Where's he getting his money to gamble?

All he had to have was a couple of dollars.  If you're even an average poker player you can double it easily.

He was playing for about six days in a row that we know of, for hours on end. Again, WHERE IS THIS KID GETTING HIS MONEY? There's no way he's winning tons of money every night. NO WAY.

[arubagirl]

Link to album: http://arubagirl.typepad.com/photos/nh/

I really wanted to take a picture of Holiday Inn pool area, as well as the beach there, but I'm not kidding when there was not one freaking parking spot.

For Red, it's very hard to take pictures of the Cruiship area, as the whole area is fenced

[iquitos]

On behalfof an American if I made a commented on a foreigner, how I noticed they behaved on vacations I would be called prejudiced. (Even if I stated a fact.)  I think this is a problem of the youth not only "American" youth.  

scarlet, it is not a problem it is just how young people are in this globalized MTV world and the more money thay have the more thay can partake.    

[Ting]

looking back, I realized that I had replied to your statement after having streamed it together w/ a statement by another poster (statements were unrelated).

no problem, KoG, they come thick and fast and the reason I forced myself to learn to use the quote button is because I could never remember who said what and to whom I was actually replying!  

[HannieC]

Anna wrote:

I don't follow. What does this have to do with dealing with other injustices in our back yard? Are you saying you think the blog should take on all those other cases as well? Isn't there a general news blog for that? I thought this one was just about Natalee.

Watch the beginning 'Katya friend of Joran"!

That`s what I meant b/c some people have another opinion it doesn`t make them 'friends'with a supposed suspect! She only stated her opinion... Oh by the way I don`t know Katya also...

[blfit]

Scott - I find your latest comment really offensive.

Maybe there's some cultural difference at play here, but are you telling me it's plausible a guy would call another guy friend to let him know he made it home OK...on Aruba???  Get real!!!

Good point, Scott.

And I still want to know where Joran got the money to be gambling every night in the casinos. That's wild. I grew up playing poker with friends and relatives, but we were using chips or pennies. These casinos are big-boy, high stakes casinos. Where the heck is this kid getting all this money on his family's middle class income? Did he have a job? (We haven't heard of one.) Was he selling drugs to get money for gambling? Where is this kid getting enough money to spend five hours a night or more gambling in casinos? and if Daddy's gambling with him, how is this family financially able to absorb these losses? Because face it, casinos are not set up for someone to win consistently. The odds are deliberately set for the casinos to make the money, not you.

You can buy in to a poker tourney will as little as 10.00

Also, poker is very hot right now, and let it be known that here in my town many, many teenagers are holding tourneys at their own houses and I am talking about kids who are son's of doctors and lawyers.

You haven't answered my question. This kid has no job. Where's he getting his money to gamble?

All he had to have was a couple of dollars.  If you're even an average poker player you can double it easily.

He was playing for about six days in a row that we know of, for hours on end. Again, WHERE IS THIS KID GETTING HIS MONEY? There's no way he's winning tons of money every night. NO WAY.[/quote

No offense....but I take it that you don't play poker.  He very well could have had enough money to "start" that first day and made some money...we don't know where he ended up...maybe he broke even.  I'm not debating his character here because to me that leaves little to be desired.

[KackyLacky]

Scott - I find your latest comment really offensive.

while I wouldn't have said it the way Scott did, I just asked my 19 yr nephew a couple of minutes ago, if he would have called and or texted someone to say he was walking and he was home. The person who more normally would be calling or texting would be the person already at their home to see if their buddy got home ok. So that is the opinion of a teenage boy, something is wrong with this part of joran's story as usual.

Why is there neccessarily something "wrong" with this?  Joran calls Deepak and asks for a ride.  Joran starts walking.  Sends a text meesage 40 minutes later saying thanks for the ride (sic), I'm home now.

guys aren't girls.........this was quoted before he read it and what he meant would be more normal would be if the guy at home was calling the guy walking checking on him, especially if walking guy had been drinking, or had a chance ( as my aw shucks nephew said) gettin lucky, Other than that why talk or text that time of morning. This is a 19 yr old's view not mine.

[Scott]

Scott - I find your latest comment really offensive.

while I wouldn't have said it the way Scott did, I just asked my 19 yr nephew a couple of minutes ago, if he would have called and or texted someone to say he was walking and he was home. The person who more normally would be calling or texting would be the person already at their home to see if their buddy got home ok. So that is the opinion of a teenage boy, something is wrong with this part of joran's story as usual.

what if deepak said to Joran when dropping him off.."hey bud, text message me when you get home, so I know you made it"

That's my question.  Why would any guy friend have reasonable concern to know that another guy friend made it home safely, in, of all places, Aruba (the nicer section of the island, at that)?

Obviously, there could well be other reasons explaining the intent of a text message or call.  I made the comment I did because it was suggested that Joran was contacting Deepak for the purpose of putting his mind at ease that he got home OK.

[writenow]

After the incompetence of the jurors on the OJ trial (DNA too complicated for them to digest), I came to the conclusion that justice would best be served if a jury consisted strictly of a panel of lawyers and judges well-versed and qualified to interpret the law.

I would keep the voir dire component of jury selection.

Totally agree with you here, Scott.

[clevfan1234]

Scott - I find your latest comment really offensive.

Maybe there's some cultural difference at play here, but are you telling me it's plausible a guy would call another guy friend to let him know he made it home OK...on Aruba???  Get real!!!

Good point, Scott.

And I still want to know where Joran got the money to be gambling every night in the casinos. That's wild. I grew up playing poker with friends and relatives, but we were using chips or pennies. These casinos are big-boy, high stakes casinos. Where the heck is this kid getting all this money on his family's middle class income? Did he have a job? (We haven't heard of one.) Was he selling drugs to get money for gambling? Where is this kid getting enough money to spend five hours a night or more gambling in casinos? and if Daddy's gambling with him, how is this family financially able to absorb these losses? Because face it, casinos are not set up for someone to win consistently. The odds are deliberately set for the casinos to make the money, not you.

You can buy in to a poker tourney will as little as 10.00

Also, poker is very hot right now, and let it be known that here in my town many, many teenagers are holding tourneys at their own houses and I am talking about kids who are son's of doctors and lawyers.

You haven't answered my question. This kid has no job. Where's he getting his money to gamble?

how do we know he has no job? My 13 yr old umpires baseball games for 20.00 per game, and prior to that he had a paper route. Who's to say this kid doesn't get an allowence for chores? Also, if he is a good poker player, with the 10.00 buy in, he could easily make 150.00 in winning a tourney that consists of just a couple of tables full of people. He is very good in math according to his grades, and that could make him a very good poker player

[arubagirl]

I always call my friend when I get home after I dropped her off and vice versa.

Don't know if guys do it.

[Another K in Texas]

ARuba Girl


Your home is beautiful.  Such a lovely place.

[Scott]

I am really tempted to start a thread for Americans to discuss what changes they would make to their judicial system, if they were suddenly made the boss of it.

I would let the victims decide the fate of the criminal.

After the incompetence of the jurors on the OJ trial (DNA too complicated for them to digest), I came to the conclusion that justice would best be served if a jury consisted strictly of a panel of lawyers and judges well-versed and qualified to interpret the law.

I would see keep the voir dire component of jury selection.

And I beleive that is basically how the Dutch system works.

My understanding is that, in the Dutch system, there's no jury, but one judge, alone, who renders a verdict.