RBN #28 6/26/05 Sunday Evening

[Scott]

All he had to have was a couple of dollars.  If you're even an average poker player you can double it easily.

No way. I'm not buying it. Just prior to and just after Natalee's disappearance, Joran spent at least 15-30 hours in casinos in a six day period. That's a lot. And you're not going to convince me that he was winning all the time.

And you can't "easily" double your winnings. You can more easily lose -- A LOT. Casinos are set up for the house to win most of the time. That's what keeps them in business. Oh no. Wait. EXCEPT when it came to Joran. That's right. Then it was set up for HIM to win because he's da man.

Please. Not buying it.

While Joran obviously frequented the casinos regularly, I doubt he was a high roller.

He seems genuinely ecstatic in one picture where he's holding up a mere $70.

Most likely, hanging around in the casino is an easy source of free drinks for these island kids.

[Anna]

2) Statements to BT like "what do you want with your daughter? She is no use to you now"
Never heard the last part of that statement - is it true?

It's a result of the 'story passed around the circle' syndrome.  BT said that Joran said.."What do you want me to do?  what do you want me to do?"

<<

He said it while pounding on his chest, not exactly normal behavior for a 17 year old addressing an adult.

[Zazzu]

Link to album: http://arubagirl.typepad.com/photos/nh/

I really wanted to take a picture of Holiday Inn pool area, as well as the beach there, but I'm not kidding when there was not one freaking parking spot.

For Red, it's very hard to take pictures of the Cruiship area, as the whole area is fenced

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WOW.....thanks for the phots.....I've not been to the island in years....it's really grown.

[clevfan1234]

All he had to have was a couple of dollars.  If you're even an average poker player you can double it easily.

No way. I'm not buying it. Just prior to and just after Natalee's disappearance, Joran spent at least 15-30 hours in casinos in a six day period. That's a lot. And you're not going to convince me that he was winning all the time.

And you can't "easily" double your winnings. You can more easily lose -- A LOT. Casinos are set up for the house to win most of the time. That's what keeps them in business. Oh no. Wait. EXCEPT when it came to Joran. That's right. Then it was set up for HIM to win because he's da man.

Please. Not buying it.

I am a poker play, and believe me, you can get a bankroll built up if you are good

[luna]

The simple theory revisited. oddly the new releases from custody changes this at all.

Boy meets girl, girl meets boy (not to mince words)
Girl with friends sees boy again, friends leave
Girl leaves with boy and his friends (no assumtions)
Girl and boy get in vechicle with his friends (no idea what she knew)
Vechicle drives off into the night.
Boy alive and well, as well as 2 others in the car (remember no statements are any good.)

Girl is missing and no one can tell us, how, why, when where. You have one thing left guilt.

Without statements for or against where does the guilt logically fall.

IMVHO absolut....with this information we can not say where the "guilt" lies.  Too many possibilities....swimming in ocean - drowned, kidnapped - still alive, kidnapped - murdered, accidental death (boy).....

So I don't think the "guilt logically falls" on anyone given this set of facts.  Evidence is needed.

[arrabba]

Link to album: http://arubagirl.typepad.com/photos/nh/

I really wanted to take a picture of Holiday Inn pool area, as well as the beach there, but I'm not kidding when there was not one freaking parking spot.

For Red, it's very hard to take pictures of the Cruiship area, as the whole area is fenced

Wow - Thank you arubagirl - I'm sure we'll be referring to these often while we post.  These are awesome.

[blfit]

All he had to have was a couple of dollars.  If you're even an average poker player you can double it easily.

No way. I'm not buying it. Just prior to and just after Natalee's disappearance, Joran spent at least 15-30 hours in casinos in a six day period. That's a lot. And you're not going to convince me that he was winning all the time.

And you can't "easily" double your winnings. You can more easily lose -- A LOT. Casinos are set up for the house to win most of the time. That's what keeps them in business. Oh no. Wait. EXCEPT when it came to Joran. That's right. Then it was set up for HIM to win because he's da man.

Please. Not buying it.

You know what...I was trying to be respectful of you and put it to you lightly...but I think you just like to argue.  I'm done for the night...I can't deal with people that can't accept other's opinions.  And like I said before...you know nothing about poker.

[DAG]

ARuba Girl


Your home is beautiful.  Such a lovely place.

The pictures are great, thanks for taking the time to do this for us.

[simpleybad]

It's a result of the 'story passed around the circle' syndrome.  BT said that Joran said.."What do you want me to do?  what do you want me to do?"[/quote]<<

He said it while pounding on his chest, not exactly normal behavior for a 17 year old addressing an adult.[/quote]

Does this indicate to anyone else that something happened that was out of his control?

[iquitos]

and I thought Iquitos was just being paranoid! All the student spring break/grad trip travel sites that were very informative about Aruba a week ago, suddenly do not send trips there!

So... from the travel info site of "Aruba Rentals" (Luxury Condo rentals) at http://www.arubarentals.com/vacationtips.htm

on their "Travel Tips for Aruba" info page:

Legal                Drinking/Gambling Age
             
The legal age for both drinking and gambling is 18 years of age, however, this law is not widely enforced.


http://www.arubarentals.com/vacationtips.htm[url]

hmm ...   not widely enforced ...   why judge van der sloot should be ashamed of hisself

[inthepacific]

Scott - I find your latest comment really offensive.

while I wouldn't have said it the way Scott did, I just asked my 19 yr nephew a couple of minutes ago, if he would have called and or texted someone to say he was walking and he was home. The person who more normally would be calling or texting would be the person already at their home to see if their buddy got home ok. So that is the opinion of a teenage boy, something is wrong with this part of joran's story as usual.

what if deepak said to Joran when dropping him off.."hey bud, text message me when you get home, so I know you made it"

That's my question.  Why would any guy friend have reasonable concern to know that another guy friend made it home safely, in, of all places, Aruba (the nicer section of the island, at that)?

Obviously, there could well be other reasons explaining the intent of a text message or call.  I made the comment I did because it was suggested that Joran was contacting Deepak for the purpose of putting his mind at ease that he got home OK.

I think you are reading into this text message too much. I've got 2 boys. I don't find this alarming in anyway and could I could find my boys following the same sort of thing. NO biggy to me Scott.  

[KackyLacky]

Link to album: http://arubagirl.typepad.com/photos/nh/

I really wanted to take a picture of Holiday Inn pool area, as well as the beach there, but I'm not kidding when there was not one freaking parking spot.

For Red, it's very hard to take pictures of the Cruiship area, as the whole area is fenced

Thank you! I actually put the 2 pics of the beach on my slide show screen saver. Those were very insightful. Dash said the Marriott looked close and was the distance was easily walked. I bet if Natalee did ride to the lighthouse on that dark road, she had to be scared to death. Note I said if.

Arubagirl---anything on the dump in Noord?

[writenow]

how do we know he has no job?

it would have been mentioned by now. We know where Steve Croes works, we know where Deepak works. The press would have discovered where he worked if he had a job.

[clevfan1234]

2) Statements to BT like "what do you want with your daughter? She is no use to you now"
Never heard the last part of that statement - is it true?

It's a result of the 'story passed around the circle' syndrome.  BT said that Joran said.."What do you want me to do?  what do you want me to do?"

<<

He said it while pounding on his chest, not exactly normal behavior for a 17 year old addressing an adult.

oh yes it is, especially of todays kids

[inthepacific]

2) Statements to BT like "what do you want with your daughter? She is no use to you now"
Never heard the last part of that statement - is it true?

It's a result of the 'story passed around the circle' syndrome.  BT said that Joran said.."What do you want me to do?  what do you want me to do?"

<<

He said it while pounding on his chest, not exactly normal behavior for a 17 year old addressing an adult.

Maybe he thinks he's Tarzan, the monkey man!

[Curiosity]

how do we know he has no job?

it would have been mentioned by now. We know where Steve Croes works, we know where Deepak works. The press would have discovered where he worked if he had a job.

I'll buy that as a good point. Thanks.

[Catriana]

Catriana,

I'd also like to apologize if you felt I attacked you. I thought DT was a moderator. Still, my comments towards him were not direct. {edit: this issue will not be discussed publicly.  READ YOUR PMs KoG.   Any further comments will be made there}

KoG...  READ YOUR PMs, PLEASE.

[Another K in Texas]

All he had to have was a couple of dollars.  If you're even an average poker player you can double it easily.

No way. I'm not buying it. Just prior to and just after Natalee's disappearance, Joran spent at least 15-30 hours in casinos in a six day period. That's a lot. And you're not going to convince me that he was winning all the time.

And you can't "easily" double your winnings. You can more easily lose -- A LOT. Casinos are set up for the house to win most of the time. That's what keeps them in business. Oh no. Wait. EXCEPT when it came to Joran. That's right. Then it was set up for HIM to win because he's da man.

Please. Not buying it.

I am good, but don't play much.

Just at a family game christmas--and we had a five dollar buy in--I had 63 dollars in about 90 minutes.  We were playing Texas Holdem.

Poker is a little different than some of the other games and if you know "when to hold and when to fold" it really is not hard to slowly make money.

I am a poker play, and believe me, you can get a bankroll built up if you are good

[Ting]

Does this indicate to anyone else that something happened that was out of his control?

As a matter of fact, it does. And that he is upset about the something.

It sounds more like the way one teen would respond to another, as opposed to an older person.

I can't claim to know how Joran normally interacted with adults, maybe that is how he is accustomed to address the parents of his friends and acquaintances, or it could be an indication that emotional stress caused him to forego courtesy.

[arubagirl]

Didn't go to Noord, there was a political rally, and the traffic was stuck.

For some reasons all political parties decided to have an event today.