RBN #28 6/26/05 Sunday Evening

[LilOrphan]

Arubagirl thank you so much for your dedication and work! Great pics.  Now if there's any worries about security in the future, just suggest that LE post their cops up on those big things where the reporters are. One on every corner, with camera!  <j/K>

[Charlotte]

It's true that 3 other of Natalee's classmates died over the past year, 1 in a car accident and the other 2 by suicide?

PS - Don't blame me... the thread title is "Rumors"  

This is correct.  One senior boy died a couple of months ago in a one car accident.  (alcohol involved).  A sophmore girl hung herself--unknown if it was accidental or suicide.  A junior girl also hung herself--this one was a suicide- she left a goodbye letter.

[icey]

I have not heard BT say this, but my wife contends that she did in an interview about 3 weeks ago. Perhaps it was taken out of context, but if true, it's probably one of the reasons why BT believes jvds is guilty of something. Perhaps I can look thru the videos on-line.

icey

2) Statements to BT like "what do you want with your daughter? She is no use to you now"
Never heard the last part of that statement - is it true?

It's a result of the 'story passed around the circle' syndrome.  BT said that Joran said.."What do you want me to do?  what do you want me to do?"

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He said it while pounding on his chest, not exactly normal behavior for a 17 year old addressing an adult.

[clevfan1234]

how do we know he has no job?

it would have been mentioned by now. We know where Steve Croes works, we know where Deepak works. The press would have discovered where he worked if he had a job.

you don't know that, heck we don't even truely know if he went to school next day

[KoG]

Catriana,

I'd also like to apologize if you felt I attacked you. I thought DT was a moderator.

What! When did you attack me?  I dont remember seeing anything directed at me earlier from you.

READ YOUR PMs, KoG.

[HannieC]

I like the "opinions"and speculations here. On the otherhand while I`m new to this blogs... Maybe i`m too sensitive about it all. I`m not used to this so maybe I sound defending or something, but I still am behind my opinion, but I sense some 'executing'style of bashing people... correct me if I`m wrong I`m only dutch and not used to slender people who i`m not certain of IF the commit a crime, certainly if I see no evidence for that effect. I`m not used to this 'mediacircus'also which most of the people here are used to b/c I understand it`s common in the US if a case is importent or has 'good'rates for the channel. So let me suck it in for a while , but I honestly don`t think that I ever going to like this media and people bashing thing. But I am certainly glad that I`ve found this blog b/c it`s a new way of state your opinions for what i`ve  seen I kinda like that fact.


And don`t get me wrong my heart is to see see natalee found safe and if the ones who are in jail are guilty, they must pay, but if they don`t are guilty , or only by stupidity thru lying then the court , the media and the folks here that thinks or feel they did it b/c 'they feel it' must let go and accept that fact, I hope and think!

[clevfan1234]

how do we know he has no job?

it would have been mentioned by now. We know where Steve Croes works, we know where Deepak works. The press would have discovered where he worked if he had a job.

you don't know that, heck we don't even truely know if he went to school next day, he's a minor

[iquitos]

All he had to have was a couple of dollars.  If you're even an average poker player you can double it easily.

No way. I'm not buying it. Just prior to and just after Natalee's disappearance, Joran spent at least 15-30 hours in casinos in a six day period. That's a lot. And you're not going to convince me that he was winning all the time.

And you can't "easily" double your winnings. You can more easily lose -- A LOT. Casinos are set up for the house to win most of the time. That's what keeps them in business. Oh no. Wait. EXCEPT when it came to Joran. That's right. Then it was set up for HIM to win because he's da man.

Please. Not buying it.

You know what...I was trying to be respectful of you and put it to you lightly...but I think you just like to argue.  I'm done for the night...I can't deal with people that can't accept other's opinions.  And like I said before...you know nothing about poker.

 

now, to know somebody spent 15-30 hours in a casino somebody else had to be there too.  i have said it before, you can't have it both ways, logging joran's time at the tables.  why were the mb people focusing so on joran.  they fought with him, the formed opinions about him and hea had not even done anything yet.   were they jealous?

[Curiosity]

how do we know he has no job?

it would have been mentioned by now. We know where Steve Croes works, we know where Deepak works. The press would have discovered where he worked if he had a job.

you don't know that, heck we don't even truely know if he went to school next day

Greta reported that Joren did go to school in her timeline. I also have to agree with the original post....everyone else's employer seems to have surfaced with the press...why would't Joren's employer if he had one?

[Frank]

we're looking for the truth but you can't talk about this, that, or those....

Then just absorb what you like, and discard that which you do not.  No need to challenge or attach those with whom you disagree.

[Rosalie]

Scott - I find your latest comment really offensive.

Maybe there's some cultural difference at play here, but are you telling me it's plausible a guy would call another guy friend to let him know he made it home OK...on Aruba???  Get real!!!

Good point, Scott.

And I still want to know where Joran got the money to be gambling every night in the casinos. That's wild. I grew up playing poker with friends and relatives, but we were using chips or pennies. These casinos are big-boy, high stakes casinos. Where the heck is this kid getting all this money on his family's middle class income? Did he have a job? (We haven't heard of one.) Was he selling drugs to get money for gambling? Where is this kid getting enough money to spend five hours a night or more gambling in casinos? and if Daddy's gambling with him, how is this family financially able to absorb these losses? Because face it, casinos are not set up for someone to win consistently. The odds are deliberately set for the casinos to make the money, not you.

You can buy in to a poker tourney will as little as 10.00

Also, poker is very hot right now, and let it be known that here in my town many, many teenagers are holding tourneys at their own houses and I am talking about kids who are son's of doctors and lawyers.

You haven't answered my question. This kid has no job. Where's he getting his money to gamble?

selling porn videos and drugs/x  ???

Joran is supposed to be a darn good poker player. I doubt that he would have any problem having someone there front him some money for a % back. The casinos might WANT him there to interest other young players to join the game.

[pinemeadows]

you don't know that, heck we don't even truely know if he went to school next day

Yes we do - and yes he was there.  However, Satish was not.

Please don't ask where this came from, as it is O-L-D information...but it is in another thread on this forum.  Maybe if you do a search, you'll have some luck.

I don't know how Joran could have a job - he was an A student, he was involved in sports, and he was in the casinos constantly.  He barely had time to maintain all those websites he was on.

[ExTexinAZ]

I keep going back to J's statement "I didn't hurt her".  It bothers me for some reason.  Or it could be another one of his lies.  Any speculations?

[Another K in Texas]

Joran was graduating.  In this country at least the custom is to give gifts and many people give cash.

[DT]

Catriana,

I'd also like to apologize if you felt I attacked you. I thought DT was a moderator.

This has been hashed out.  Please stop REPOSTING it in quotes.

I think I know what you are referring to now.  I made a sarcastic post about compassion not belonging on this forum a few pages back.  Is that what you were referring to?  If so then I think we have a misunderstanding.  I was in no way saying their shouldnt be compassion on this board, the opposite actually.  Believe me I have been defending Natalee and her friends and family since day one, and I am appaled by some of the treatment they have received on this board and elsewhere.

[arubagirl]

My allowance was $60 a month at that age. Maybe he also got one.

[clevfan1234]

arubagirl, just looked at your pic's.............beautiful! And thanks!

[GreatOwl]

Link to album: http://arubagirl.typepad.com/photos/nh/

I really wanted to take a picture of Holiday Inn pool area, as well as the beach there, but I'm not kidding when there was not one freaking parking spot.

For Red, it's very hard to take pictures of the Cruiship area, as the whole area is fenced

great pics, thanks.   It is still beautiful.  I will need to find out which timeshares exchange with the clubs I belong to.  Maybe some day.

[KackyLacky]

If it doesn't kill me, it makes me stronger

wwizard, I can't imagine. That had to make you stronger that is for sure.

[writenow]

writenow sorry i disagree on that. I don`t like it if you are bashing Katya for having another opinion then yours, If that is so then you can bash me too, b/c we al have our own opinion and I`m also not a friend of Joran or the kalpoes but some of us have maybe a much more open mind then others so why does that make it legit to bash people of who we only know that he lied once( we don`t even now how much) and b/c he lied must hang b/c he did it? I have said this before, If someone is lying that doesn`t make him/her a murderer! Whe are not in those boys shoes and we don`t have ALL facts so why is bashing and slender thru the mud of all the families is makes it ok? If there are FACTS and EVIDENCE then I think slender as much as you wish. But everybody is entitled to state there opinion I hope, I do...... :wink:

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Hannie,
You have Natalee's frantic parents coming to Joran's house less than 24 hours after their daughter is missing. And what do Joran and Deepak do? They DELIBERATELY lie and TAKE THEM BACK TO THE HOLIDAY INN lying all the way and DELIBERATELY FALSIFY where they say they left her.
These were CRUCIAL hours when the TRUTH needed to come out for a young girl's safety. Yet they kept lying and lying and lying.

I am appalled at the people who defend the irresponsible, hateful, cruel and heartless actions of people like that.