RBN #28 6/26/05 Sunday Evening

[Ting]

Do you think that if Jug and his friends hadn't stopped by in the middle of the night, then Joran and the Kalpoes would have told the truth?

We don't know that they have, or that they have not.

[Compananzi]

writenow sorry i disagree on that. I don`t like it if you are bashing Katya for having another opinion then yours, If that is so then you can bash me too, b/c we al have our own opinion and I`m also not a friend of Joran or the kalpoes but some of us have maybe a much more open mind then others so why does that make it legit to bash people of who we only know that he lied once( we don`t even now how much) and b/c he lied must hang b/c he did it? I have said this before, If someone is lying that doesn`t make him/her a murderer! Whe are not in those boys shoes and we don`t have ALL facts so why is bashing and slender thru the mud of all the families is makes it ok? If there are FACTS and EVIDENCE then I think slender as much as you wish. But everybody is entitled to state there opinion I hope, I do......

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Hannie,
You have Natalee's frantic parents coming to Joran's house less than 24 hours after their daughter is missing. And what do Joran and Deepak do? They DELIBERATELY lie and TAKE THEM BACK TO THE HOLIDAY INN lying all the way and DELIBERATELY FALSIFY where they say they left her.
These were CRUCIAL hours when the TRUTH needed to come out for a young girl's safety. Yet they kept lying and lying and lying.

I am appalled at the people who defend the irresponsible, hateful, cruel and heartless actions of people like that.

Not to intrude but they all went to Holiday Inn, why did they go to Holiday Inn Again? I know at one point they went to the casino, with Paulus looking for Joran, then Joran called said he was home, they all went home right?  I am missing the second part of going to the casino againg what for?

[arubagirl]

Coco, I'm guessing that they're mostly in the Holiday Inn, since there is where the family is also staying.

As I was taking pictures at the lighthouse, there were two groups of people with very professional cameras taking footage. I said 'good afternoon' and they looked a bit spooked like I had caught them doing something bad. Had to laugh at that.

[friend of monkeys]

Hannie!

Welcome to the our world - not very pretty is it? hyperbole and rants take the place of reasoned thought all too easily - and asking questions when the party line has been decided is not well received.

I think the heat is particularly high today because the judge released S. Croes and PVDS - and there are a lot of people who were convinced that they were the devil incarnate - or at least drug lord white slavers. Their release threatens the "we know precisely what happened" view and makes people who are holding on to that certainty distressed.

Much of what you say is true, but, what is still not known is:

PVDS & Croes release = apparent non-guilt  --OR--
PVDS & Croes release = failures by Aruban LE to collect enough evidence on those that have true implication in Nat's disappearance

Did LE not state Pvds was taken to jail only to put pressure on Joran...why would LE lie...2 days is not  "pressure" really either!!  IMO

[southerngal]

Read this article if you are a friend of Natalie’s.
"The Rothchilds of the Mafia on Aruba" (http://www.tni.org/archives/tblick/aruba.htm)
It details information about the Aruban government relations with the Mafia...gives some enlightening information about the powerful Mansur family who controls 60% of the island and owns a shipping company as well as other industries on the island.  I would also Google Mansur and Aruba as well as the Mafia and Aruba. When the brother of the FBI agent said this case was much bigger than people were aware of, he wasn't kidding. Who was the guy on the plane sitting next to Natalie who did not use his return ticket...There is most likely a lot more to this case than Aruba wants you to know about...
See also this article(http://www1.umn.edu/humanrts/undocs/session67/view883

[GreatOwl]

don't know how significant it is, however,  as more and more people come up with rumors, accusations etc.  the topic becomes more and more heated.  

The issue worth noting is that BHT has not varied her request since the very beginning.  "They (meaning the boys in custody) hold the key" and "give me my daughter and I'll go home>"

I am not sure I have even heard her say that the boys are lying.  I may be wrong.  I know reporters and other ask her that question and she merely replies that the boys need to tell the truth and that they have the key.

This has not varied since she arrived.  We on the other hand have stretched the imagination until we have been drawn into a "black hole."  It is difficult to close out the day and begin anew.

[littletxlady]

What has happened to the theories????? Have we moved to a lower rung and decided this blog is for arguing ?
 sorry....I guess we are all frustrated  

[luna]

ArubaGirl,

1) how many huts are there at the Fisherman's Huts?  

2) do people still stay in them or are they abandoned?  

3) Could we see the Tattoo in the shot from FH to HI?

4) Are all of the huts separated from the Marriott by the trees?

Thanks!

[Anna]

All he had to have was a couple of dollars.  If you're even an average poker player you can double it easily.

No way. I'm not buying it. Just prior to and just after Natalee's disappearance, Joran spent at least 15-30 hours in casinos in a six day period. That's a lot. And you're not going to convince me that he was winning all the time.

lone blue plaid shirt and premature balding.  No, he did not have a thing on any one of them to be jealous of that I can see, quite the contrary.  I suspect Joren could smell a dollar a mile away.

[pinemeadows]

Do you think that if Jug and his friends hadn't stopped by in the middle of the night, then Joran and the Kalpoes would have told the truth?

We don't know that they have, or that they have not.

Yes, we do.  If the police decided to detain them, they have not.  If they would get 2 versions of the same story, they may wonder about the 3rd.  But 3arlier this week, it was said by either Ruben or Rudy that they were each giving different stories...or something to that effect.

[Compananzi]

about the pictures, the one of joran pretending to strangle (ugh) someone and  the one with the cash.   that looks like school play stuff to me.  BTW on the night in question he was playing in a texas holdem contest, won 4th place.

Actuall I read it to be very plausible an reenactment of the pictures at that time of Abu Garib, prisoner treatment of the insurgent/combatants.

[wwizard]

Some of the theories posted are a little more far-fetched than others.  It seems that people think they are all equally valid since there is little supporting hard evidence for any of them.




If an elderly person is missing - presume they have Alzeimer's and wandered off

 
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No need to get personal there, ya young whipper snapper!!!!!  

My apologies   (written big in case your eyesight is going)

 

       

[AZLady]

Do you think that if Jug and his friends hadn't stopped by in the middle of the night, then Joran and the Kalpoes would have told the truth?

You're question appears to imply that Jug and his friends convinced Joran and the Kalpoes to lie.  Am I interpreting this correctly?  I don't think that fear of Jug and his friends would convince these three people to lie to the police in a murder investigation.  Their motivation for telling lies is unknown, but I believe with a certainty that it was not fear of Jug and his friends.

[Ting]

There is most likely a lot more to this case than Aruba wants you to know about

There may be more to this case than a long list of countries, US included, wants you to know about.

[coco]

I think we need to get ArubaGirl press credentials ...
and she could scoop all those MSM types with their hotshot cameras!

honestly - your pics give me the clearest sense yet of the locations we've been talking about!

[Anna]

about the pictures, the one of joran pretending to strangle (ugh) someone and  the one with the cash.   that looks like school play stuff to me.  BTW on the night in question he was playing in a texas holdem contest, won 4th place.

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And his own mother said he said he was "going to kick natalee's butt" so does he have violent tendencies other than kicking his brothers?  Fantasies about choking people?  Odd poses, lots of them.

[Onnimus]

I just want to say that the photos Arubagirl took are SO gorgeous....Aruba is such a beautiful island especially the beaches and the water. WOW. I've been to several Caribbean islands and I have every intention of visiting Aruba for a beach trip. So pretty!  

I pray for Natelee's family that a resolution will come quickly. Of course, I pray for a happy one, but I would hate to this case go cold and for nothing to ever be found...I feel so bad for Amy Bradley's parents and all the many other parents of missing children who never have the peace of knowing what happened to them and bringing them home.  

[littletxlady]

There is most likely a lot more to this case than Aruba wants you to know about

There may be more to this case than a long list of countries, US included, wants you to know about.

My thoughts exactly

[Lausa]

Dear Dash,
Should you by chance still be reading, I hope you can see how much you are valued by many Monkeys.  So much trauma for all.  I know your friends will all help each other through this.  Sorry you got overloaded.  One important thing to remember about grown-ups is that they aren't perfect.  You've had an in-your-face chance to see that and I know it hurts. Please know that many people have come to care deeply about all of you.  You've been a splendid representative for  MBHS and Natalee Holloway.

Later I can't wait to seee Arubagirl's pictures.  But I am going to  put aside the computer,read the New York Times and make sure the rest of the world is still turning 'round.

[mehill10]

writenow sorry i disagree on that. I don`t like it if you are bashing Katya for having another opinion then yours, If that is so then you can bash me too, b/c we al have our own opinion and I`m also not a friend of Joran or the kalpoes but some of us have maybe a much more open mind then others so why does that make it legit to bash people of who we only know that he lied once( we don`t even now how much) and b/c he lied must hang b/c he did it? I have said this before, If someone is lying that doesn`t make him/her a murderer! Whe are not in those boys shoes and we don`t have ALL facts so why is bashing and slender thru the mud of all the families is makes it ok? If there are FACTS and EVIDENCE then I think slender as much as you wish. But everybody is entitled to state there opinion I hope, I do......

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Hannie,
You have Natalee's frantic parents coming to Joran's house less than 24 hours after their daughter is missing. And what do Joran and Deepak do? They DELIBERATELY lie and TAKE THEM BACK TO THE HOLIDAY INN lying all the way and DELIBERATELY FALSIFY where they say they left her.
These were CRUCIAL hours when the TRUTH needed to come out for a young girl's safety. Yet they kept lying and lying and lying.

I am appalled at the people who defend the irresponsible, hateful, cruel and heartless actions of people like that.

Not to intrude but they all went to Holiday Inn, why did they go to Holiday Inn Again? I know at one point they went to the casino, with Paulus looking for Joran, then Joran called said he was home, they all went home right?  I am missing the second part of going to the casino againg what for?

dutch bag and slime brothers  show where thay droped natelee to her parents   I thinks i remember that right