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« Reply #380 on: June 26, 2005, 09:20:21 PM »

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« Reply #381 on: June 26, 2005, 09:21:30 PM »

I just got home a bit ago from picking up my son from his dads house, and having a sweet sixteen party somewhere in between for my oldest girl. Seems I always am away or on the road when something happens.
So, in trying to catch up with the news and posts I take it Mr VDS and Steve C were released or will be released soon right? Any other news? Unfortunately I dont have access to a TV to watch any news updates as my children and husband have taken over all 4 TVs in the house  Rolling Eyes
Any updates and such would be much appreciated.
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« Reply #382 on: June 26, 2005, 09:21:42 PM »

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Some of the theories posted are a little more far-fetched than others.  It seems that people think they are all equally valid since there is little supporting hard evidence for any of them.

However - there are probabilities.  

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If anyone missing, last person to see them alive is the top suspect.  

That is why Joran is the most likely person to implicate in this case.  The other theories have less credence.


Many of the first-hand accounts indicate that Natalee was seen leaving C&C in a car with three people.  Do we know with certainty that Natalee was left in the company of one (or two) of the three (as opposed to all three) after leaving C&C?  If not, then Joran is not necessarily the most likely person to implicate.
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« Reply #383 on: June 26, 2005, 09:22:36 PM »

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If the police decided to detain them, they have not..


Not necessarily. With so few facts, we can only speculate why anyone has been detained.


 
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different stories....


And any could be true, or not true.
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« Reply #384 on: June 26, 2005, 09:22:51 PM »

Guys and gals sorry i`m not holding up with the speed you are going...jeezzz you are fast..... Laughing


Coco thanks, I like the fact that you seem to be open minded.....
arubagirl thanks for your effort to take all the picturec( wich I don`t have seen yet but they are in my favorites.!!)

sobelle thanks for also being open minded, it`s very nice to see that a lot of people here still have an open mind...

Scott you also think with your mind a lot i see ...

And iquitos your`re a sweaty I don`t know you but you give also a lot of input,,,,


And the rest also.... I like the fact that all the opinions are made with compassion wich side does`nt mather it is not about sides here it`s about Natalee bringing home!...
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« Reply #385 on: June 26, 2005, 09:23:04 PM »

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Quote from: "clevfan1234"
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2) Statements to BT like "what do you want with your daughter? She is no use to you now"
Never heard the last part of that statement - is it true?


It's a result of the 'story passed around the circle' syndrome.  BT said that Joran said.."What do you want me to do?  what do you want me to do?"
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He said it while pounding on his chest, not exactly normal behavior for a 17 year old addressing an adult.


oh yes it is, especially of todays kids


Speak for yourself.  Mine certainly do NOT behave in this manner, especially to an adult female.  For one thing, they know they could never get away with it but that was never a problem for Joren, apparently.  I have one 6'3" and he would show respect for the girl's mother or wish that he had.  And wish it deeply.


exactly! I have said this before, my son would not have to worry about hitting himself on the chest, because I would be doing it for him if he spoke to the parents of a missing girl he was last seen with, no matter what time of day they came to the house. T is 6'2" and 205 lbs, I brought him this world, and as the old saying goes, I can take him out........or at least make his life miserable for a few minutes until he came clean. If he was involved in something bad, he would have to face it, I would see that he faced up to it.
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« Reply #386 on: June 26, 2005, 09:23:53 PM »

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I agree with WVLADY and ANNA. Losing Dash is a huge negative for this forum ... even if many are in denial of this fact.
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« Reply #387 on: June 26, 2005, 09:24:41 PM »

Luna, There is one more building similar to the picture that I took. They're not really used for people to stay in them, just for fishermans to store their gear etc. About the seperation from Marriott, to a car they are seperated by the Marriott wall, so you'd have to drive past the marriott completely, and take the next left. The beach is not really seperated from Marriott by anything, if you wanted to, you could walk from Marriott until Phoenix (first highrise hotel). No, you can't see Tattoo, it's moored at the Aruba Grand hotel, which is the third hotel rise I believe, and Marriott is the last.
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« Reply #388 on: June 26, 2005, 09:24:55 PM »

Hi monkey friends


Walked the dog , could not resist thinking about the natalee case

some questions,

1) was there a statement from the MB hig scholars that most of them spent  a good deal of their last night at the beach near the mariot ?)
or is the beach near the Mariott occupied by other people at night aswell.

2) Is the mariot beach on the east or  the west side of the island ?

3)  Who was the last person who natalee spoke to before leaving C&C

4) why would Joran sent a message saying he is walking home was he  expected to be picked up by one of the kalpoe brothers.
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« Reply #389 on: June 26, 2005, 09:26:32 PM »

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Guys and gals sorry i`m not holding up with the speed you are going...jeezzz you are fast..... Laughing


Coco thanks, I like the fact that you seem to be open minded.....
arubagirl thanks for your effort to take all the picturec( wich I don`t have seen yet but they are in my favorites.!!)

sobelle thanks for also being open minded, it`s very nice to see that a lot of people here still have an open mind...

Scott you also think with your mind a lot i see ...

And iquitos your`re a sweaty I don`t know you but you give also a lot of input,,,,


And the rest also.... I like the fact that all the opinions are made with compassion wich side does`nt mather it is not about sides here it`s about Natalee bringing home!...


we don't want to be in your little group anyway
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« Reply #390 on: June 26, 2005, 09:27:08 PM »

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writenow sorry i disagree on that. I don`t like it if you are bashing Katya for having another opinion then yours, If that is so then you can bash me too, b/c we al have our own opinion and I`m also not a friend of Joran or the kalpoes but some of us have maybe a much more open mind then others so why does that make it legit to bash people of who we only know that he lied once( we don`t even now how much) and b/c he lied must hang b/c he did it? I have said this before, If someone is lying that doesn`t make him/her a murderer! Whe are not in those boys shoes and we don`t have ALL facts so why is bashing and slender thru the mud of all the families is makes it ok? If there are FACTS and EVIDENCE then I think slender as much as you wish. But everybody is entitled to state there opinion I hope, I do...... Wink
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Hannie,
You have Natalee's frantic parents coming to Joran's house less than 24 hours after their daughter is missing. And what do Joran and Deepak do? They DELIBERATELY lie and TAKE THEM BACK TO THE HOLIDAY INN lying all the way and DELIBERATELY FALSIFY where they say they left her.
These were CRUCIAL hours when the TRUTH needed to come out for a young girl's safety. Yet they kept lying and lying and lying.

I am appalled at the people who defend the irresponsible, hateful, cruel and heartless actions of people like that.


Not to intrude but they all went to Holiday Inn, why did they go to Holiday Inn Again? I know at one point they went to the casino, with Paulus looking for Joran, then Joran called said he was home, they all went home right?  I am missing the second part of going to the casino againg what for?


joran, deepak and parents went back to HI that same night/morning the Twitty's first went to the VdS's home so joran could show them where they "dropped" Natalee off ( lie 1). As a matter of fact, daddy VdS was made to leave the lobby because he became so obnoxious and loud
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« Reply #391 on: June 26, 2005, 09:27:19 PM »

Hi anna ,

I hate to admit it but , lots of teeners have bad manners in my opinion , well that was my vision of them when i lived in Amsterdam in 1998

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2) Statements to BT like "what do you want with your daughter? She is no use to you now"
Never heard the last part of that statement - is it true?


It's a result of the 'story passed around the circle' syndrome.  BT said that Joran said.."What do you want me to do?  what do you want me to do?"
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He said it while pounding on his chest, not exactly normal behavior for a 17 year old addressing an adult.


oh yes it is, especially of todays kids


Speak for yourself.  Mine certainly do NOT behave in this manner, especially to an adult female.  For one thing, they know they could never get away with it but that was never a problem for Joren, apparently.  I have one 6'3" and he would show respect for the girl's mother or wish that he had.  And wish it deeply.


exactly! I have said this before, my son would not have to worry about hitting himself on the chest, because I would be doing it for him if he spoke to the parents of a missing girl he was last seen with, no matter what time of day they came to the house. T is 6'2" and 205 lbs, I brought him this world, and as the old saying goes, I can take him out........or at least make his life miserable for a few minutes until he came clean. If he was involved in something bad, he would have to face it, I would see that he faced up to it.
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« Reply #392 on: June 26, 2005, 09:28:06 PM »

Bendex, the Fisherman's Huts beach as well as the beach in front of Marriott are both on the West side of the island.

I often go driving there with my friends late at night after the movies / going out and there aren't many cars there. The local 'lover's lane' is mostly at Eagle Beach, which is about 2 miles before reaching Marriott.
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« Reply #393 on: June 26, 2005, 09:29:12 PM »

<<You're question appears to imply that Jug and his friends convinced Joran and the Kalpoes to lie. Am I interpreting this correctly?>>

I think the three detainees decided to tell a story that ended with a Holiday Inn dropoff, and they would have done so whether or not the VDS residence was visited by Jug Twitty, Conway Twitty, or Scritti Politti.
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« Reply #394 on: June 26, 2005, 09:29:32 PM »

Thanks arubagirl....just trying to get the lay of the land!
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« Reply #395 on: June 26, 2005, 09:29:35 PM »

So did Deepak and Satish voluntarily go to where they knew Natlaee's family would be?

Or did they just happen to be there when the family arrived and freely acknowledge that Natalee had been in their car?
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« Reply #396 on: June 26, 2005, 09:32:37 PM »

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Do you think that if Jug and his friends hadn't stopped by in the middle of the night, then Joran and the Kalpoes would have told the truth?


We don't know that they have, or that they have not.
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We do know they have changed their story three times so I would say that we do know and they did not for this is when they claimed to have taken her to the HI, something they themselves now refute.  So I think we pretty well know they have not told the truth.  As to whether or not the current version is true or not, in American law if a witness is caught lying about one thing, the entire testimony may be considered susepct and juries may take that into consideration and reject it.

I have no way of knowing if there is similar consideration in Dutch law but this is how many of us have been trained to thing about people who lie in life and death situations.
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« Reply #397 on: June 26, 2005, 09:33:10 PM »

What facts do we have that would invalidate this theory?

1. Natalee and 3 guys leave CnC and head to one of those underground parties.
2. "Something bad happened" - there was a nutcase at the party and he took Natalee off from the 3 guys.
3. The 3 guys get pushed out of the party.   Now what do they do???  Yikes.  They lie.
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« Reply #398 on: June 26, 2005, 09:34:22 PM »

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writenow sorry i disagree on that. I don`t like it if you are bashing Katya for having another opinion then yours, If that is so then you can bash me too, b/c we al have our own opinion and I`m also not a friend of Joran or the kalpoes but some of us have maybe a much more open mind then others so why does that make it legit to bash people of who we only know that he lied once( we don`t even now how much) and b/c he lied must hang b/c he did it? I have said this before, If someone is lying that doesn`t make him/her a murderer! Whe are not in those boys shoes and we don`t have ALL facts so why is bashing and slender thru the mud of all the families is makes it ok? If there are FACTS and EVIDENCE then I think slender as much as you wish. But everybody is entitled to state there opinion I hope, I do...... :wink:
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Hannie,
You have Natalee's frantic parents coming to Joran's house less than 24 hours after their daughter is missing. And what do Joran and Deepak do? They DELIBERATELY lie and TAKE THEM BACK TO THE HOLIDAY INN lying all the way and DELIBERATELY FALSIFY where they say they left her.
These were CRUCIAL hours when the TRUTH needed to come out for a young girl's safety. Yet they kept lying and lying and lying.



I know what you mean writenow, but on the otherhand, if I hear JUG the come with that whole bunch of friends in the middle of the night! I saw jug and his statements by the way, so I can surely understand why people are react this way if they are sound asleep an suddenly in the middle of the night there are a bunch of people at your door commending and seems threatning you think; What the f###! Sure I understand it I would do the same if my daughter was missing you`re absolutly right maybe i would do something other than that also( hey I`m dutch) But I sure can understand what the reaction of people can be for that affect, And don`t forget JUG says on tv that Joran said to his dad"I want to help dad"!


And Hannie. How did Joran HELP her parents? By lying to them and DELIBERATELY taking them to the wrong place.
A parent gets very frantic when they think their child is in danger. Why can't you understand that? You think having someone yell at you in the middle of the night is WORSE than fearing your daughter is injured or dead????

You're right. This must be a cultural thing. Because I can not for the life of me understand feeling it's more upsetting to be "yelled at" than to have a daughter missing in a foreign country.

Natalee said to her friends as she left CnCs she wanted to go back to the HI. Joran manuevered her into his friends' car and didn't take her back to the HI. What does that tell you?
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« Reply #399 on: June 26, 2005, 09:34:53 PM »

Arubagirl - Fabulous fotos. Look like postcards to me.  Maybe I missed it but what is being built across from C&C?
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