RBN #28 6/26/05 Sunday Evening

[DT]

New interview with two friends/aunt on fox now.

[GuyWdog]

Lots of you claim that "we know they (3 boys) have changed their story 2 times" we do not know that for a fact. We have heard from the authorities that the 3 boys have changed their story, there has been non statement of how many or to the extent to which their stories have changed. Antyhing else is pure conjecture. I am seeing lots of convicting these 3 boiys for chaging their story. I dont know about you but kids do BEND the truth. I can see where Joran didn't want to go into exactly what he and NH did that night on the beach(if they did n anything at all). But from my perspective kids are kids, while we can debate as to what level to hold them accountable for changing their story, convicting them of murder is a STRETCH.
 One side can theorize that the boys didi not know for fact that NH is dead but just missing, and then the other side theorizes that they knew she is dead. Both are just that THEORIES.
 And in my opinion if you disagree with someone then you aren't trying to run them off the site. I have yet to see anything really terrible on the boards this afternoon. I have seen some scarcastic remarks, which I think were warranted when the news came out about the releases of the 2 men. One person said maybe they ought to go round up mrs. VDS and intimidate her into submission. The justice system is VASTLY different from Aruba compared to the USA.  NONE of these 5 would be in-custody at the moment in America. And all of you know that to be true. mayeb the police would have held Joran a few days but at this point even he would probably be let go. And Purposely arresting the Dad to put pressure on a 17 yr old boy is something that i dont agree with. If this had been doen to say a Terrorist you can be gauranteed the MSM would be calling for the current administrations heads. So lets keep this in perspective....Do you honestly think a 17 yr boy could hold out for almost 2 weeks of intensive interrogations, with the threat of exposing his father and possibly every friend he had?

GuyWdog

[Dallas Also]

What facts do we have that would invalidate this theory?

1. Natalee and 3 guys leave CnC and head to one of those underground parties.
2. "Something bad happened" - there was a nutcase at the party and he took Natalee off from the 3 guys.
3. The 3 guys get pushed out of the party.   Now what do they do???  Yikes.  They lie.

If they did do to an underground party, how do Joran's attempts to contact Deepak (2:30am call, 3:15 text msg) fit in with that theory?

landscaper, you're right.  Let me try again:

1. Natalee and 3 guys leave CnC and head to one of those underground parties.
2. The brothers drop Natalee and Joran off at the party and head home.
3. "Something bad happened" - there was a nutcase at the party (maybe it was a party full of nutcases) and one of them took Natalee off from Joran.
4. Joran gets pushed out of the party.  Now what do the 3 guys do?  Yikes.  They lie.

Please, everyone - what facts do we have that invalidate this theory?

[Tila_Bean]

Do we know who these two friends are going to be on Fox?  Re-run perhaps?  Sorry I was caught up in the Food Network!

The Food Network!  One of my favs, along with the cable news.

LOL, same here.  They are going to announce who will get their own food pilot show tonight LIVE!  (If you've been following)

[ExTexinAZ]

KackyLacky, I couldn't agree more.  I also have one about that same size, 17 yrs. old.  If I visited him in the jail and he told me, in tears, that he didn't have anything to do with her disappearance and that when "all the truth comes out" that he's going to "kick her butt for causing us all this trouble" (or something like that) (which he'd better not say!), I would be telling him, in no uncertain terms, that he obviously knows what happened and he'd better come clean!  If he saw her being kidnapped and his life was being threatened, I would tell him we would move Heaven and earth to protect him, but he needs to tell the truth.  If we need to move to Outer Mongolia to protect him, we would, but he has to tell what he knows.  I'm so hoping the kidnapping story is true.  I would so much prefer that scenario, as I think does Beth.

[Cerulean]

"Underground Party"  Sunday night, school night, small island with 100,000 people on it, International School as 9 kids in a class.  Not likely, and if it was people would have known about it and the kids would have squealed already.

[iquitos]

in American law if a witness is caught lying about one thing, the entire testimony may be considered susepct and juries may take that into consideration and reject it.

So by that reasoning, any and all stories they tell you could reject as lies.

But you cannot know whether any of them are true. You may have an opinion, in fact that is what this discussion is about

Maybe you believe that story B is true, and someone else just has a hunch about story C, but neither of you can know for sure!

 

whateva but can you imagine this bunch of monkies on a jury!

[Ting]

The Twitty's came to joran's home, he was not there, dad said he was at casino, they drive to casino--joran not there, Twitty's go back to VdS's house, joran and deepak leaning against deepaks car. When asked if they had seen Natalee they began the first lie of dropping her off at HI. I suspect dad called joran and told him Americans were looking for him, so joran and deepak had time to get themselves together before Twitty's got back..

Deepak and Satish also had time to get themselves together, go WHOA! in unison, and remove themselves from the situation entirely, catch a boat or a plane to parts unknown, paint the car, push it off a cliff, burn it, whatever it would take NOT to acknowledge that Natalee was ever in their car at all.

In fact, I would expect someone who had participated in a violent crime to go to extreme measures to avoid the scenario you describe.

[HannieC]

writenow wrote:

And Hannie. How did Joran HELP her parents? By lying to them and DELIBERATELY taking them to the wrong place.
A parent gets very frantic when they think their child is in danger. Why can't you understand that? You think having someone yell at you in the middle of the night is WORSE than fearing your daughter is injured or dead????

You're right. This must be a cultural thing. Because I can not for the life of me understand feeling it's more upsetting to be "yelled at" than to have a daughter missing in a foreign country.

Natalee said to her friends as she left CnCs she wanted to go back to the HI. Joran manuevered her into his friends' car and didn't take her back to the HI. What does that tell you?

Maybe writenow but I`m sure as **** I don`t blame somebody if I see no evidence, that must be a "cultural"thing then if you would like to think so.
I have an open mind about everything b/c we are not a jury or a judge or the executioner, we`re here about speculation, opinions an theory`s I thougth, but then again I could be wrong b/c I`m not used to blogs, if i`m offend you`in any way i`m sorry for that it`s not my intende to do so..

[momto5]

What facts do we have that would invalidate this theory?

1. Natalee and 3 guys leave CnC and head to one of those underground parties.
2. "Something bad happened" - there was a nutcase at the party and he took Natalee off from the 3 guys.
3. The 3 guys get pushed out of the party.   Now what do they do???  Yikes.  They lie.

If they did do to an underground party, how do Joran's attempts to contact Deepak (2:30am call, 3:15 text msg) fit in with that theory?

landscaper, you're right.  Let me try again:

1. Natalee and 3 guys leave CnC and head to one of those underground parties.
2. The brothers drop Natalee and Joran off at the party and head home.
3. "Something bad happened" - there was a nutcase at the party (maybe it was a party full of nutcases) and one of them took Natalee off from Joran.
4. Joran gets pushed out of the party.  Now what do the 3 guys do?  Yikes.  They lie.

Please, everyone - what facts do we have that invalidate this theory?

Hi dallas,
The only thing I can see that might not fit here is IF joran did call deepak and tell him he was home at what was it 3:40 after leaving her at the beach. Dont after hour parties generally last longer?

[friend of monkeys]

What facts do we have that would invalidate this theory?

1. Natalee and 3 guys leave CnC and head to one of those underground parties.
2. "Something bad happened" - there was a nutcase at the party and he took Natalee off from the 3 guys.
3. The 3 guys get pushed out of the party.   Now what do they do???  Yikes.  They lie.

If they did do to an underground party, how do Joran's attempts to contact Deepak (2:30am call, 3:15 text msg) fit in with that theory?

good point....
wwizard first posted she was gone from aua within an hour...
wopuld that be 2;30?

[GreatOwl]

Lots of you claim that "we know they (3 boys) have changed their story 2 times"

 So lets keep this in perspective....Do you honestly think a 17 yr boy could hold out for almost 2 weeks of intensive interrogations, with the threat of exposing his father and possibly every friend he had?

GuyWdog

yes I do....  I do know of many youth and adults who have never admitted to crimes.  It is unfortunate but true that many proclaim there innocence even after being convicted.  Under the Dutch system, I have no idea how they handle this.  Or even if they can convict.

[RB]

whateva but can you imagine this bunch of monkies on a jury!

We'd be hung jury monkeys

[Anna]

2) Statements to BT like "what do you want with your daughter? She is no use to you now"
Never heard the last part of that statement - is it true?

It's a result of the 'story passed around the circle' syndrome.  BT said that Joran said.."What do you want me to do?  what do you want me to do?"

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He said it while pounding on his chest, not exactly normal behavior for a 17 year old addressing an adult.

oh yes it is, especially of todays kids

Speak for yourself.  Mine certainly do NOT behave in this manner, especially to an adult female.  For one thing, they know they could never get away with it but that was never a problem for Joren, apparently.  I have one 6'3" and he would show respect for the girl's mother or wish that he had.  And wish it deeply.

exactly! I have said this before, my son would not have to worry about hitting himself on the chest, because I would be doing it for him if he spoke to the parents of a missing girl he was last seen with, no matter what time of day they came to the house. T is 6'2" and 205 lbs, I brought him this world, and as the old saying goes, I can take him out........or at least make his life miserable for a few minutes until he came clean. If he was involved in something bad, he would have to face it, I would see that he faced up to it.

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Ain't it the truth!!  And mine know it.  No anger management for them, I can manage their anger.  Parents should have some modicum of control over their minor children so I can only assume the VDS approve of this kind of behavior.

 My next fav slogan is eat it or wear it, too! Bet you have used that one a time or two as well, am I right??   We what raises boys has to hang tough sometime but I can honestly say none of mine have ever disrespected me or any adult in my presence.  And will not and live to tell about it.  You go, girlfriend.  Some of us know wrong when we see it.

[pinemeadows]

Release of Paulus Van Der Sloot looks political.  Don't feel like holding one of their own in a jail cell?  And if Steve Croes lied to the police, why can't he be charged with that?

Somebody lied - in fact, they are all lying (yes, we know this because the stories keep changing.)  Steve - I don't know how they can justify releasing him.

Who knows about PVDS....the whole world knows he has allowed sonny to gamble and drink, and pops is the escort.   Yesterday he was suspected of complicity in premediatated murder (it doesn't get much more serious than that) - and today he's a free man?  How does that happen overnight?

So yes, it could be political, or it could be SIMILAR to a plea bargain...there may be more pressure on Joran with his release, than with him in there.

[KerinTX]

Dang, ya’ll are fast, I’m a two finger peck typer

Mr Wizard,
With the latest develeopments, are you still standing by your original theory?

[Angiex911dsptchr]

trying to get caught up here.. Whats up with Dash? Did she get pissed off for some reason and it not posting anymore????

[absolut]

So do the VDS' go on the Abrams report on MSNBC to put their story out?

[Lacey]

wantanwers wrote:

we don't want to be in your little group anyway

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Excuse me if I`m wrong here.............but what group? The people who have there own opinion which you don`t like? Sorry I find this very disturbing you make it very personel now b/c other people have there
own opinion......

HannieC,
I dont post much as you can see..lol
I just sit back and read ALL the FACTS
CAN I be in your little GROUP...lol      

[Scott]

Question:  Does anybody have the whole telegraaf article in Dutch?  I tried the link but it is a whole page and type is too small to read and i don't feel like registering.

Copy and paste the text into an e-mail or Word document and increase the font size.