RBN #28 6/26/05 Sunday Evening

[RB]

HannieC,
I dont post much as you can see..lol
I just sit back and read ALL the FACTS
CAN I be in your little GROUP...lol  
Absolutely  Welcome!

[KerinTX]

Angie,
I do know that some posters accused her mother of just seeking notoriety for Dash? That one shocked me....

[KackyLacky]

The Twitty's came to joran's home, he was not there, dad said he was at casino, they drive to casino--joran not there, Twitty's go back to VdS's house, joran and deepak leaning against deepaks car. When asked if they had seen Natalee they began the first lie of dropping her off at HI. I suspect dad called joran and told him Americans were looking for him, so joran and deepak had time to get themselves together before Twitty's got back..

Deepak and Satish also had time to get themselves together, go WHOA! in unison, and remove themselves from the situation entirely, catch a boat or a plane to parts unknown, paint the car, push it off a cliff, burn it, whatever it would take NOT to acknowledge that Natalee was ever in their car at all.

In fact, I would expect someone who had participated in a violent crime to go to extreme measures to avoid the scenario you describe.

Ting I couldn't agree more. Exactly what one would think. Or simply deny. But they didn't. They implicated 2 innocent men, and continued the lie. What if she could have been found one way or the other in the days they were lying to LE? The bros kalpoe even told a variation of the lie to their mother. WHY?  This is the problem for them, the lies.

[tarmand]

Lots of you claim that "we know they (3 boys) have changed their story 2 times" we do not know that for a fact. We have heard from the authorities that the 3 boys have changed their story, there has been non statement of how many or to the extent to which their stories have changed. Antyhing else is pure conjecture. I am seeing lots of convicting these 3 boiys for chaging their story. I dont know about you but kids do BEND the truth. I can see where Joran didn't want to go into exactly what he and NH did that night on the beach(if they did n anything at all). But from my perspective kids are kids, while we can debate as to what level to hold them accountable for changing their story, convicting them of murder is a STRETCH.
 One side can theorize that the boys didi not know for fact that NH is dead but just missing, and then the other side theorizes that they knew she is dead. Both are just that THEORIES.
 And in my opinion if you disagree with someone then you aren't trying to run them off the site. I have yet to see anything really terrible on the boards this afternoon. I have seen some scarcastic remarks, which I think were warranted when the news came out about the releases of the 2 men. One person said maybe they ought to go round up mrs. VDS and intimidate her into submission. The justice system is VASTLY different from Aruba compared to the USA.  NONE of these 5 would be in-custody at the moment in America. And all of you know that to be true. mayeb the police would have held Joran a few days but at this point even he would probably be let go. And Purposely arresting the Dad to put pressure on a 17 yr old boy is something that i dont agree with. If this had been doen to say a Terrorist you can be gauranteed the MSM would be calling for the current administrations heads. So lets keep this in perspective....Do you honestly think a 17 yr boy could hold out for almost 2 weeks of intensive interrogations, with the threat of exposing his father and possibly every friend he had?

GuyWdog

Bravo!  Well said GuyWdog.  I'd also like to address the "let's boycott Aruba" factor that has been brought up before.  If tourists boycotted America because of unsolved crimes, I'm afraid we'd never have any tourists.  I am so sorry that Natalee is missing and I pray for her safe return, but from what I can tell, this all happened because a teenager made a bad decision.  We can not blame Aruba for that.  If Natalee had left a bar in Miami, Ft. Lauderdale, Los Angeles, etc. with a boy that she had just met, the same thing could have happened in the U.S. and I'm sure it does all of the time.  Again, this is nothing against Natalee.  I've made the same mistake several times in life.....even at the age of 27.  I was lucky and nothing happened to me but it could have and it would be no reason to blame the entire country.  We should blame the individuals responsible for whatever happened to Natalee and not focus on hurting the entire population of Aruba.

[friend of monkeys]

Dang, ya’ll are fast, I’m a two finger peck typer

Mr Wizard,
With the latest develeopments, are you still standing by your original theory?

Kerin!!!! I was going to ask for a repost...could keep the nite interesting.

[pinemeadows]

Mr Wizard,
With the latest develeopments, are you still standing by your original theory?

Kerin - you got to it before I did!  I was wondering about that myself this evening.

Wiz...what say you?

[KerinTX]

RB,
If you happen to "see" Absolut   , please tell him I am still sticking with our "simple theory" from a few days ago.

[Dallas Also]

"Underground Party"  Sunday night, school night, small island with 100,000 people on it, International School as 9 kids in a class.  Not likely, and if it was people would have known about it and the kids would have squealed already.

I agree with that.  So, ok, this isn't a party of International School kids.  But from an earlier post (about 10 days ago), these parties do exist and they are illegal if they are held without a prior permit from the police.  It has to be a party that Joran knew about, not the brothers, since this theory has the brothers dropping Natalee and Joran off.

Let me please try again, and keep shooting at this theory if you would:

1.. Natalee and 3 guys leave CnC and head to one of those underground parties.
2. The brothers drop Natalee and Joran off at the party and head home.
3. "Something bad happened" - there was a nutcase at the party (maybe it was a party full of nutcases) and one of them took Natalee off from Joran.
4. Joran gets pushed out of the party.  Joran calls Deepak for help at 2:40.  Deepak says no, I'm not getting involved with your rough friends, you handle it.  Joran walks home, then text-messages Deepak that he made it home (maybe that is a coverup text-message, one for the police to find later?).  Now what do the 3 guys do? Yikes. They lie.

Please, everyone - what facts do we have that invalidate this theory?

[arubagirl]

Cerulean, I completely agree with you abt the underground party.

[wwizard]

Dang, ya’ll are fast, I’m a two finger peck typer

Mr Wizard,
With the latest develeopments, are you still standing by your original theory?

somewhat, sort of, kinda.....have entertained another one but its not very flattering

[Anna]

Hi anna ,

I hate to admit it but , lots of teeners have bad manners in my opinion , well that was my vision of them when i lived in Amsterdam in 1998

2) Statements to BT like "what do you want with your daughter? She is no use to you now"
Never heard the last part of that statement - is it true?

It's a result of the 'story passed around the circle' syndrome.  BT said that Joran said.."What do you want me to do?  what do you want me to do?"

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He said it while pounding on his chest, not exactly normal behavior for a 17 year old addressing an adult.

oh yes it is, especially of todays kids

Speak for yourself.  Mine certainly do NOT behave in this manner, especially to an adult female.  For one thing, they know they could never get away with it but that was never a problem for Joren, apparently.  I have one 6'3" and he would show respect for the girl's mother or wish that he had.  And wish it deeply.

exactly! I have said this before, my son would not have to worry about hitting himself on the chest, because I would be doing it for him if he spoke to the parents of a missing girl he was last seen with, no matter what time of day they came to the house. T is 6'2" and 205 lbs, I brought him this world, and as the old saying goes, I can take him out........or at least make his life miserable for a few minutes until he came clean. If he was involved in something bad, he would have to face it, I would see that he faced up to it.

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This is to bad manners what a grain of sand is to a boulder.  Far and away beyond the pale and do not even pretend he was awakened from sleep on a school night for that was just never the case that he was sleeping, ever.  Yes, lots of teenagers have bad manners but most parents to not stand by while their giant of a son pounds his chest as a mother whose child he was the last to be seen accompanying.

This is enabling his anger problem and yet another dimension to his privileged life.  It is just not acceptable by any standard, no matter how low.  It is a form of violence toward a woman, very atavistic and primative beyone belief.  See why gorillas do this for further explanation.

[absolut]

Did fox cut off the end of the MB kids interview?

[arubagirl]

Dallas Also, my problem with the underground theory is this: If you're talking about a large party (100 kids), it would have come out. This is a small community. If you're talking about a smaller party at somebody's house (30 people) I could buy it.

[KerinTX]

Pine and FOM,
I bet a lot of posters don't know the "WIZ THEORY". So Mr. Wiz, please re-post would ya, please???  

[JessesMom]

"Underground Party"  Sunday night, school night, small island with 100,000 people on it, International School as 9 kids in a class.  Not likely, and if it was people would have known about it and the kids would have squealed already.

But one thing you forget ... they had the Soul Beach Party that evening.  I don't know that much about it except there were several big name acts there and loads of people attending .... where did these performers and their entourages go, the security and "groupies" that go along with it, possibly even people visiting from neighboring islands for this bash?? Did they all just pack up and go home immediately, or did they stay on the island that night?  Don't you imagine there were a few parties?

I'm not really addressing this specifically to you but just to anyone in general.  This has not been discussed much.  I am very much suspicious of some connection to this island event.

[absolut]

RB,
If you happen to "see" Absolut   , please tell him I am still sticking with our "simple theory" from a few days ago.

I keep posting it

[coco]

Absolut - I think it's going to be very interesting to see if either Paulus or Steve Croes talk to the media. I had the impression when the VDS did the interview with Greta that they had watched the media uproar, felt like a lot was said that painted a specific picture of their family and son and so said "guess we gotta play the media game too" and since the time spent privately with Beth and Greta was apparently not a media ambush they agreed to Greta's interview request - and then were sorta stuck in the "you talked to fox, you better talk to us too" game. I'm thinking they may decide to stay away from the media circus now given the outcome of the last time.

Anyone else have a guess on this?

[RB]

RB,
If you happen to "see" Absolut   , please tell him I am still sticking with our "simple theory" from a few days ago.

He's right here  He's gonna post back to you

[bob_in_MD]

Cerulean, I completely agree with you abt the underground party.

I'm not going to ask what an "underground party" is and what goes on there.  That'll just illustrate how out of touch I am with modern society.

[Anna]

What facts do we have that would invalidate this theory?

1. Natalee and 3 guys leave CnC and head to one of those underground parties.
2. "Something bad happened" - there was a nutcase at the party and he took Natalee off from the 3 guys.
3. The 3 guys get pushed out of the party.   Now what do they do???  Yikes.  They lie.

 my thoughts too

So instead of reporting this abduction, they decided to lie and say they dropped her off at the HI??  Yeah--right!