RBN #28 6/26/05 Sunday Evening

[Anna]

TRIED TO POST THIS IN THE LAST POST It has already been established that we have all made bad judgements as well as done some stupid things as teenagers.   And yes, think it is safe to say.  Everyone or most everyone did the underage thing.

My challenge was to all the posters here villainizing Joran because he was drinking when he was not old enough (he was about two months shy of his 18th birthday). Unless these posters never drank until they hit the legal age, they are hypocrites.

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I have not seen anyone villanizing Joren just because he was drinking underage but when you add in gambling the night away in casinos when he has school the next day, photos of him passed out and doing all that other stuff on his webpages, the teasing him about roofies and other drugs, lying, trying to start fights, being sent to anger management for kicking his brothers, pounding his chest at adult women and on and one, do you not see anything wrong, no pattern of any sort?  Just a fine fella by your standards?

I wonder how he could stay awake for class for at that age, my kids required extra sleep, not less.  Never knew a teenager who didn't come to think of it.

[GreatOwl]

TRIED TO POST THIS IN THE LAST POST It has already been established that we have all made bad judgements as well as done some stupid things as teenagers.   And yes, think it is safe to say.  Everyone or most everyone did the underage thing.

My challenge was to all the posters here villainizing Joran because he was drinking when he was not old enough (he was about two months shy of his 18th birthday). Unless these posters never drank until they hit the legal age, they are hypocrites.

I don't think the point was that he was drinking 2 months before his legal age!  It has been very obvious to most that he was doing this for quite some time.  He could not have been that unknown on the island.  People had to know he was still in HS.  From what we have seen on web pictures his behavior has been the same for a long time.  I don't buy the excuse he was just using a fake ID so we didn't know how old he was.

Drinking establishments and casinos have gone on the record saying they never let anyone in under age.  They did look the other way in this case.  

Am I a hypocrite?  No!  I actually did not drink until legal age, however, I don't see what that has to do with anything.

[friend of monkeys]

wwizard...by serpentine are you referring to the 3 or something bigger?  And, yes, trying to follow the $$$.  thanx

[Ting]

I feel sorry that Dash was upset - I think she's really trying to cope with a horrible situation and she's certainly been a great protector of her friend's reputation.

I think the real problem is that this is not a "Natalee Support Group" - it's a board debating/discussing a crime - and so what Dash was looking for from the discussion and what most of the discussion participants are just at odds.

To be honest, I do not know if I would advise someone so closely connected with the victim to venture beyond websites that deal exclusively with prayers and hopes that Natalee can be returned to her family, a prayer and hope that I share.

[clevfan1234]

It is understandable the the Alabama kids are so emotional, yet at same time I think that everyone on here should be able to have a voice...

[writenow]

Natalee introduced herself to Joran, chatted with him, invited him to Carlos 'n Charlie's, danced with him there, walked out with him, and apparently voluntarily got in the car with him. I would say she sort of liked him, although of course she couldn't have known him very well after such a short time.

You have no proof she invited him to CnCs. Nor do you have any proof that SHE walked with HIM. HE could have walked out with HER after slipping her a roofie.

[inspector_detector]

Sleeks wrote:
SO INSPECTOR WHAT DO YOU THINK HAPPENED???


Well right now (because we havn't found a dead body) I think at some point Joran did leave her alone, and she was kidnapped by someone we have not heard about yet. Maybe she's being held in a personal residence right now against her will?

Inspector - You don't believe she is dead because there is no body.  However you believe she is kidnapped with no kidnapper or ransom note.

She was either kidnapped or ran away by herself. I don't think she ran away. It may not have been the kidnappers plan to ask for ransom, but to sell her into the sex slave trade. Remember what happened to Amy Bradley...

[HannieC]

friends of monkeys wrote:

hey Hannie!  
some of us are on the same page!!

    ... still get a little of a headache again tho.....




Hi coco

[Microcephalic]

Natalee introduced herself to Joran, chatted with him, invited him to Carlos 'n Charlie's, danced with him there, walked out with him, and apparently voluntarily got in the car with him. I would say she sort of liked him, although of course she couldn't have known him very well after such a short time.

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She did NOT invite him to C&C.  On the contrary he told her that no one went there on Sunday.  She went there with other friends and who shows up but Joren.  She walked out with him??  Maybe.  Maybe not.  How would you not walk with somebody his size following you?  Seconds before she got into that car, she had told her friend she was going back to HI with the other students and no one has seen her since.  Except Joren, that is.

Not true.  her friends stated in an interview that she did ask him to go.  He was reluctant for the reason you stated and others.  According to other students, she did not say she was going back to HI with other group of students.  They "assumed" she was.

[arubagirl]

Hi guys

Made the pictures, but got really really nauseous for some reason, so was only able to take the Lighthouse-Hotel-Oranjestad area.

I'm so so sorry.

And then I had my goddaugther's ballet recital.

HannieC, did you get any 'beschuit met muisjes'? Do you know the name of the new princess?

[blfit]

It is understandable the the Alabama kids are so emotional, yet at same time I think that everyone on here should be able to have a voice...

I agree with having a voice but I think some things have been said with an edge to them...and it's not necessary.

[wwizard]

wwizard...by serpentine are you referring to the 3 or something bigger?  And, yes, trying to follow the $$$.  thanx

just an priciple I've had for years

[puggywug]

I feel sorry that Dash was upset - I think she's really trying to cope with a horrible situation and she's certainly been a great protector of her friend's reputation.

I think the real problem is that this is not a "Natalee Support Group" - it's a board debating/discussing a crime - and so what Dash was looking for from the discussion and what most of the discussion participants are just at odds.

To be honest, I do not know if I would advise someone so closely connected with the victim to venture beyond websites that deal exclusively with prayers and hopes that Natalee can be returned to her family, a prayer and hope that I share.

I think Dash had good intentions of answering our questions.  I imagine she also wanted to "get the truth out" about Natalee and the type of person she knew Natalee to be.  I am sure she didn't realize people would be so callous on this forum.  I am sad to see her go.  

[wwizard]

It is understandable the the Alabama kids are so emotional, yet at same time I think that everyone on here should be able to have a voice...

thank you

[DT]

I feel sorry that Dash was upset - I think she's really trying to cope with a horrible situation and she's certainly been a great protector of her friend's reputation.

I think the real problem is that this is not a "Natalee Support Group" - it's a board debating/discussing a crime - and so what Dash was looking for from the discussion and what most of the discussion participants are just at odds.

Just because this forum is debating a crime doesn't mean we can post whatever we want.  

If I were to make a post saying that I thought Natalee died while having sex with 10 men and doing every drug known to man without any evidence whatsoever, would that be acceptable?  Obviously it isn't.  We know this because it is a) completely unfoudned b) outrageous given what we know of her character and c) blatantly insulting to a victim.  

I've seen a lot of things like this on the forum, not any as outrageous, but some have come close.  I think this is the sort of stuff that makes Dash angry.

[Tiptoes]

coco wrote:

I feel sorry that Dash was upset - I think she's really trying to cope with a horrible situation and she's certainly been a great protector of her friend's reputation.

I think the real problem is that this is not a "Natalee Support Group" - it's a board debating/discussing a crime - and so what Dash was looking for from the discussion and what most of the discussion participants are just at odds.

It's one thing to debate theories but another to debase the girl's charater and decision-making with unfounded suppositions.  Dash was asked to be here and she provided a great deal of insight and that should have been respected.

[Marie]

She'll be back, I'm sure

[Professor]

I suspect that there may be former date-rape victims of Joran van der Sloot lurking on this forum. If you are such a person, then I would advise you to contact the FBI or to send a private message to one of the founders of this forum. As a participant on this forum, I can attest that the founders of this forum are people of integrity and are people whom you can trust. You may wish to work out an agreement with them as to how you want that information to be handled, but I would urge anyone who has been victimized by this man, or who feels that she may have been given a date-rape drug by him, to have their voice heard. I have made a similar announcement at Riehl World.

[klaasend]

She'll be back, I'm sure

I don't think so...think she's had enough.

[Scott]

GuyWDog:
>>With these releases it appears that all this PRESSURE they have put on the main suspect(Joran) has not worked

Unfortunately, I think that's where they are now. Joran's not cracking, sure PVDS will testify, essentially he already has. They desperately need a body.

Paulus probably told Joran...'You can spend another 100 days in here, or another 7000.  The choice is yours.'

If this case reaches a dead end, as a last resort, they should allow the FBI to be alone with Joran, and tell him, 'we've cut a deal with the Aruban authorities to bring you to the US, where you'll be tried and convicted by a jury of your peers in Alabama, and be sentenced to death.  Don't worry, a lethal injection is a quick, painless way to go.  Your Dad can't help you.  The future of the island is more important than you.'

If he doesn't sing by the time he boards the FBI's plane, then, and only then would I believe in his innocence.