RBN #28 6/26/05 Sunday Evening

[HannieC]

That`s why I personally hate this mediacircus....b/c people are being tried in the media and, jury`s are effected by those in my opinion!And I think Scott isn`t  guilty... but hey that`s another topic so spare me...and do not hang me for that...

[KackyLacky]

arubagirl

Thanks, that is what I am trying to figure out. Surely if someone, a citizen saw him walking alone or with a girl, after all this press, wouldn't that have come out, or been told to the LE?...It makes no sense to me that we have heard from no one who saw him that night.

Most tourist are too into their own vacation experience to notice others, especially after 11pm.

The beach between the Mariott and Hi is very dark.  Easy place to sneak up on unsuspecting persons.

Thanks rogers, But I can't help but think, that even after leaving from a vacation and hearing all the press, a witness would have reported seeing a man walking along that road during that timeframe.

[inspector_detector]

I asked this before, but it may have gotten lost in our frenzied posting...any news from TX search group?  Last update I had was from early this morning.

I heard there was a false alarm. Something on the sea floor turned out to be nothing. I really doubt they will find anything under the water. Even with the sonar...

[~TAZ_MAN~]

i heard somewhere that there is no correlation betwen sociopathic behaviour and murder.  i guess there are degrees of sociopathic behaviours just like any other psyhcolocial condition.  as to joran's other psychiatric issues, they were apparent enough that his parents sought help for him and apparently he was in therapy.  most people would not go that far with a problem kid so they were diligent in that respect.  we don't know what his problem was other than "anger management" and we don't know how he expressed his anger.  i wonder if the prfessional that talked about Joran was his psychiatrist.   if it was, sounds like an ethical lapse to me.   in any case, if they actually charge and try Joran, we eill find out about any condition that might have led him to harm Natalee. It could  also form the basis of an insanity defence.

the line that separates a narcissist from the sociopath is that the sociopath will have some sort of involvement with criminal activity that usually escalates.

 but not murder, i suppose.  not a shrink.  was there a post on hasibokos or was this in the dutch pressabout his therapy?   i forgot  is sociopathic behaviour a form of insanity.  don't we all have a little of these in us.  is it about aressted development.  are all teens dealing with narcisism as they grow into their bodies?  

Psychological definitions are not going to be so precise as to exclude anything other than murder within a particular personality disorder.  That would mean they would have to create one particular PD for one specific crime.  Criminal Activity is only included in a couple of the personality disorder characteristics and Sociopath/AntiSocial Disorder is one of them.  Criminal behavior is defined as any behavior that is against the law.  Also alot of disorders overlap and many have traits that are a combination of disorders.  

Read this little exerpt and just see how many of these traits might apply in this case.
http://home.datawest.net/esn-recovery/artcls/socio.htm

[GreatOwl]

I asked this before, but it may have gotten lost in our frenzied posting...any news from TX search group?  Last update I had was from early this morning.

Nope.  I just heard they were going to search some "hot spots", but they are not disclosing those locations of course.

last I heard they sent a diving bell down into a trash dump (60 feet deep) and could not find anything.  I assumed this was in the water, but maybe not.

[pinemeadows]

And I think Scott isn`t  guilty...

What????

[arubagirl]

Rogers, locals drive there too, Casino / Hotel people just coming down from their shift, people who went out till late going out for a drive....

[inspector_detector]

Sorry my dear new friends, just a thought........

TTownMike  i`m agree with a lot of youre statements, but I don`t like the fact that that the people are =namecalling such as {edited} his name is JORAN, And {edited} ...pfff please opinion is ok but this people are slandered tru the mud and we know sh%t I can`t follow that ..I blame my dutch inheiritage than, but we and I are not just to this namecalling if we don`t know jack,,,, sorry sue me  I don`t like that! But hey I guess thats my problem....

Yeah, I'd like to rag on TTownMike for that but RB would kick me out ASAP!

[igsigs]

Maybe i missed it...but where is the apology that the 3 amigos owe natalee, natalee's family and all of Aruba for that matter? If they are innocent the main reason they are still in jail is because of their own lies. The monumental agony that these 3 have laid at the feet of the Holloway family is without excuse. every lie they tell jerks the Holloways back and forth. running to the lighthouse, draining ponds by the hotel, searching the brothels...all ending in pain and fear of not knowing. what is the next story that will taunt Nat's family and end in heatbreak? i know joren feels sorry for his mom. i know the Kalpoes apologized to the security guards. when will these 3 step up and apologize to Nat and her family for the lies?

[RB]

Sorry my dear new friends, just a thought........

TTownMike  i`m agree with a lot of youre statements, but I don`t like the fact that that the people are =namecalling such as {edited} his name is JORAN, And {edited}...pfff please opinion is ok but this people are slandered tru the mud and we know sh%t I can`t follow that ..I blame my dutch inheiritage than, but we and I are not just to this namecalling if we don`t know jack,,,, sorry sue me  I don`t like that! But hey I guess thats my problem....

Yeah, I'd like to rag on TTownMike for that but RB would kick me out ASAP!

somebody say my name?

[KackyLacky]

I`m sorry to say this but...............Are there not a lot of people in the US having a Psychatrist ( sorry for my spelling   )? I thought that was more common in the US then in what country at all?!

well I wouldn't say a lot, and there are several types of psyche help: there are psychiatrists ( prescribe meds);psychologists ( counseling ); then there are therapists or counselors who may not have a medical degree.
It really is not a big deal. I think the reason it is an issue in this case, is because joran apparently has an anger problem he needs counseling for, combined with being suspected of a possible violent crime. That is the connection I see anyway.

[KerinTX]

what wuz that? did ya'll hear sumthin? eye'm gittin paranoid.

GIVE ME THAT NEW THEORY, WIZ!!!  

[rogers]

My brain isn't exactly running on all cylinders at that hour.  I don't think I'm alone in that malady.

-- should have noted that I have documented evidence from many here that you have this problem too

[KerinTX]

Kerin, etals, I like that theory too!

that's because you are "one of us" TT.  

[~TAZ_MAN~]

Here is the link to Cal Tech, again. The Profile of the Sociopath. All it lacked was a picture of Joran van der Sloot, at the side.

http://www.hss.caltech.edu/~mcafee/Bin/sb.html

Actually, there is one characteristic that doesn't quite fit. It claims that sociopaths tend to be slackers and poor students. But it is almost the rule that narcissists (the larval form of sociopaths) do quite well in school and in business. When the narcissist learns that he can "beat the system," he becomes a slacker, and academic performance drops off. Joran appears to be at that point in the development cycle. He is emerging as a full-fledged maggot.

Note that most narcissists and sociopaths fit the profile TO A TEE, so it ain't exactly rocket science spotting one (thank God).

If you need for me to repost my Profile of the Narcissist, and show how Joran fits the profile to a TEE, I shall do so. But only upon request.

And why should any of you give a sh*t? Because psychologist are unanimous about one point. After a sociopath gets away with ONE major crime, LOOK OUT. There's no stopping him then.

And that's a fact, Jack.

Alot of the same characteristics apply to the narcissist and the sociopath, the part where they crossover so to speak is where criminal activity is involved that usually escalates.  Starting off with petty crime to more advanced aspects of rape, burglery and murder.

I will say again, if Joran has ever had a history of hurting animals would be interesting to me.

[pinemeadows]

what wuz that? did ya'll hear sumthin? eye'm gittin paranoid.

GIVE ME THAT NEW THEORY, WIZ!!!  

He's busy having toddies this evening....as detailed as his theories can be, he'd be here until next week if he starts tonight!

 

[KackyLacky]

I`m sorry to say this but...............Are there not a lot of people in the US having a Psychatrist ( sorry for my spelling   )? I thought that was more common in the US then in what country at all?!

Yeah, we're pretty much all nuts...

just ask Tom Cruise

[arubagirl]

Rogers, I was talking about no one seeing him while walking home. His route won't take him long near a beach.

At some hotels shifts run from 7-3

[KerinTX]

That`s why I personally hate this mediacircus....b/c people are being tried in the media and, jury`s are effected by those in my opinion!And I think Scott isn`t  guilty... but hey that`s another topic so spare me...and do not hang me for that...

I can respect that....

[Dallas Also]

Ok, the party is on a yacht.  Someone Joran met at the Casino.  People who cam into town for the Soul Festival.

I LIKE this theory.  Arubagirl, could this occur?  Were there yachts in town for the Soul Festival?