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« Reply #780 on: June 27, 2005, 12:05:03 AM »

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what about a private plane?  could band members leave easily enuf without normal procedures?


candygirl, arubagirl could answer this but she signed off for the night.  Can you maybe PM her with this question?  Would be good to know the answer.


a few pages back she did answer something about no planes, and the staff stayed that night leaving the next morning. It is on this thread I think, I am just to tired to look. sorry, I am almost typing one-eyed now. Wink


oh gee........well it was a thought
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« Reply #781 on: June 27, 2005, 12:07:01 AM »

K in Tx

If the body isnt found and he is set free and assuming he does have some sort of personality disturbance and uncontrollable rage, you can be sure something will happen to someone in the future, so if hes not convicted for Natalies sake of any wrong doing, he probably will be for someone else in the future.
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« Reply #782 on: June 27, 2005, 12:07:17 AM »

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I know the Croes name is popular but....

The Intercon Financial Bank on Aruba is represented by the law-firm Croes & Wever. One of the partners is former Minister of Justice Hendrik Croes. The firm's trust-company Arulex was implicated in setting up the bank. ""Yes, we are involved with that bank"," says Croes. ""We still handle all their legal affairs, but we don't know anything of their financial accounts"." (70)

Hendrik Croes – a brother of the island's legendary leader, the late Betico Croes who guided Aruba to its semi-independent status in the Dutch realm – is one of the leading political figures on the island. He led several election campaigns for the MEP, now in the opposition. The Croes Family has been accused of ties with Cuntrera-Caruana. The Sicilian mafiosi payed for a trip of another brother, Rudy Croes (who succeeded Hendrik as Minister of Justice in a previous MEP government) as party secretary to a meeting of the Socialist International in Turkey. This has not been denied.

Paolo Cuntrera visited the island regularly despite his expulsion in 1988. The government opposed his legal actions for re-admittance. But Hendrik Croes has to admit the procedures were not stainless. A blundering government lawyer, an official who signed a residence permit 'by mistake', meant that "de facto" Paolo Cuntrera was able to circulate freely on the island.

According to Canadian police reports, in 1978, Pasquale Cuntrera owned the Holiday Inn Casino – although the registers indicated otherwise. ""At the start of 1980s the Cuntrera's were often at the Holiday Inn casino"," says a croupier. ""In 1989 they were there again, although they were ostensibly thrown of the island"."





Natalee's Uncle Tom is head of ALL investment services for AmSouth Bank in Birmingham but yet he filed a new corporation just for himself in Rhode Island in late 2004 and named it Amsouth Investment Corp... not accusing...just found it as part of new corporate filings...

the scheme at AmSouth for which the bank ended up in court involved Panamanian and Nicaraugan banks...one of the indicted was a Robert Picou - a Panamanian who is said to be in hiding in Nicarauga or Panama
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« Reply #783 on: June 27, 2005, 12:07:25 AM »

geez louise...professor:

"he was sent to YOGA AND MEDITATION classes. Yes. THAT is the clincher, and NOT the fact that he is now seeing a psychiatrist."

You have this kid diagnosed as being a sociopath, animal abuser, and something else I can't remember now....I'm sure you will remind me!

His mother said he "TOOK" yoga class, not that he was "sent" to yoga class.  We don't know for certain he is seeing a psychiatrist....and if he is, that is quite a stretch to sociopath.

The discussions here tonight are so far overboard, no pun intended, it's disgusting.  I don't know if Joran killed Nat or not....and neither do you! But you have him tried and convicted...

He told a lie about dropping Nat off....but so far as I can tell, he changed his story to taking her to the Marriott after that.  I think he told the first lie cus he didn't want anyone, his parents or her parents, to know they had sex on the beach.  He's 17, scared and maybe a little stupid.

A sociopath that does not make!!!
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« Reply #784 on: June 27, 2005, 12:07:45 AM »

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There was an interview this evening on our local news here in B'ham with Beth Twitty and it was the first time I have seen her almost start to cry.  She was talking about all the support she was getting from all over the world and she said that when she stops and thinks about it, she gets overwhelmed.

Also, I think the interview with the MB students this evening was a waste of time.  What is the point of putting these kids on who didn'y see her leave and have nothing to add to the story?

Yeah, I saw the i'view with the kids and you are so right, nothing there at all!
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« Reply #785 on: June 27, 2005, 12:08:19 AM »

I hope that natalee is being found safe!!

But I`m sure all the forum members get a lot of geography and inside of the antilles and aruba and the netherlands., they never knew about, since there comes a lot of info people didn`t knew about of this
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« Reply #786 on: June 27, 2005, 12:08:39 AM »

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It was also on Valentjn's (Joran's bro) gilfriends website. That they were seeing each other that is, not necessarily having sex.


Yes, there is confirmation from Valentijn's girlfriend's blog that Joran was going out with her best friend, a fellow 7th grader -- no confirmation of anything more than dating. This was as recent as March of this year.
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« Reply #787 on: June 27, 2005, 12:09:13 AM »

when i was in venezuela the biggest bank, Banco Latino, 6 billion in assets, went belly up because of some "bad currency investments" by its offshore subsidiary in Aruba.  the bank was used by its board as a sort of petty cash box,  preferential loans on non performing projects all over the place.  took the whole banking sytem down with it.  What are offshore  banks and casinos for if not money laundering.  so yes, that element is present there.  the oil refinery is also big business.  tourism is useful for the cash it generates which facilitates the laundering.
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« Reply #788 on: June 27, 2005, 12:10:14 AM »

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K in Tx

If the body isnt found and he is set free and assuming he does have some sort of personality disturbance and uncontrollable rage, you can be sure something will happen to someone in the future, so if hes not convicted for Natalies sake of any wrong doing, he probably will be for someone else in the future.
That is of course unless practice makes perfect!
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« Reply #789 on: June 27, 2005, 12:12:54 AM »

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It was also on Valentjn's (Joran's bro) gilfriends website. That they were seeing each other that is, not necessarily having sex.


Yes, there is confirmation from Valentijn's girlfriend's blog that Joran was going out with her best friend, a fellow 7th grader -- no confirmation of anything more than dating. This was as recent as March of this year.


Um, okay, now that's just GROSS.  How many seniors want to date SEVENTH graders?
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« Reply #790 on: June 27, 2005, 12:13:57 AM »

I had yoga too one time, and i lied also sometimes, i went also to a psyatrist( excuse my spelling Embarassed ) Maybe i`m a sociopath as well??

jeeazzz that `s scary.... Shocked
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« Reply #791 on: June 27, 2005, 12:14:10 AM »

I asked this question quite a few pages back and never got an answer.

How do we know this is the right person?? There are several Tom Holloway's listed with phones in MS. And there are the Tom Holloway's that have unlisted numbers or cell phones that wouldn't be listed. It appears that this is a common name. Where is the proof please that this indeed a relative involved with the investment company ....and what would be gained by Natalee's disappearance??
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« Reply #792 on: June 27, 2005, 12:14:35 AM »

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It was also on Valentjn's (Joran's bro) gilfriends website. That they were seeing each other that is, not necessarily having sex.


Yes, there is confirmation from Valentijn's girlfriend's blog that Joran was going out with her best friend, a fellow 7th grader -- no confirmation of anything more than dating. This was as recent as March of this year.


Um, okay, now that's just GROSS.  How many seniors want to date SEVENTH graders?


I don't know... she is a very pretty girl, though. And her best friend was dating Joran's brother, who was in the 9th grade.
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« Reply #793 on: June 27, 2005, 12:14:54 AM »

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geez louise...professor:

"he was sent to YOGA AND MEDITATION classes. Yes. THAT is the clincher, and NOT the fact that he is now seeing a psychiatrist."

You have this kid diagnosed as being a sociopath, animal abuser, and something else I can't remember now....I'm sure you will remind me!

His mother said he "TOOK" yoga class, not that he was "sent" to yoga class.  We don't know for certain he is seeing a psychiatrist....and if he is, that is quite a stretch to sociopath.

The discussions here tonight are so far overboard, no pun intended, it's disgusting.  I don't know if Joran killed Nat or not....and neither do you! But you have him tried and convicted...

He told a lie about dropping Nat off....but so far as I can tell, he changed his story to taking her to the Marriott after that.  I think he told the first lie cus he didn't want anyone, his parents or her parents, to know they had sex on the beach.  He's 17, scared and maybe a little stupid.

A sociopath that does not make!!!


Umm, yeah.  They're theories.  I have no idea if the Professor is onto something.  Basically though, we need more brainstorming.
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« Reply #794 on: June 27, 2005, 12:14:57 AM »

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Quote from: "natfortplum"
It was also on Valentjn's (Joran's bro) gilfriends website. That they were seeing each other that is, not necessarily having sex.


Yes, there is confirmation from Valentijn's girlfriend's blog that Joran was going out with her best friend, a fellow 7th grader -- no confirmation of anything more than dating. This was as recent as March of this year.


Um, okay, now that's just GROSS.  How many seniors want to date SEVENTH graders?


isn't that the Asian girl we have heard about before? 13 yrs old
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« Reply #795 on: June 27, 2005, 12:15:00 AM »

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I had yoga too one time, and i lied also sometimes, i went also to a psyatrist( excuse my spelling Embarassed ) Maybe i`m a sociopath as well??

jeeazzz that `s scary.... Shocked


OK! I ain't touchin' that one!  
You're welcome!
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« Reply #796 on: June 27, 2005, 12:15:15 AM »

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what about a private plane?  could band members leave easily enuf without normal procedures?


candygirl, arubagirl could answer this but she signed off for the night.  Can you maybe PM her with this question?  Would be good to know the answer.


 i would think a vip plane, depending on where it is going, would get off real easy.  would not if headed to US.  we have preinspection in aruba if i am not mistaken


But, if they whisked her away on a private plane...don't you think someone would have noticed her, or remembered her?  I mean, I've flown on a private jet before, and there are still employees that help you to the plane, etc.  I have to think they would remember her??
 

depends on how big a plane.  

we had a scenario here a few nites back where she went out in the luggage (costume trunks, drum and instrument cases, etc)  that would not be checked on a private outgoing VIP flight depending on where it was going.  For example to st maarten it would be a domestic flight,  did we find out where they went next?  .
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« Reply #797 on: June 27, 2005, 12:15:52 AM »

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isn't that the Asian girl we have heard about before? 13 yrs old


She appears to be of Indian descent, has an Indian name.
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« Reply #798 on: June 27, 2005, 12:16:52 AM »

I'm fascinated by this search they are doing...

I never knew cadaver dogs can smell a body even if it's ten feet under water!!!

I'm watching a Fox repeat.

Also, good point made by former NY detective.  He thinks the body has to be close to where Natalee was last seen...the timeline is too tight..and he's 17 yrs. old.  Hmmmmmmm.
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« Reply #799 on: June 27, 2005, 12:16:59 AM »

Listen, a 17 year old in the "dutch opinion"or a 15 year old or a 16 year old for that effect isn`t scary at all if they`re date or have a 'relationship' with a girl with that age ...sorry that`s illegal in the US but not in other countries ...so what`s the point?
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