RBN #28 6/26/05 Sunday Evening

[clevfan1234]

It is understandable the the Alabama kids are so emotional, yet at same time I think that everyone on here should be able to have a voice...

I agree with having a voice but I think some things have been said with an edge to them...and it's not necessary.

Right, what I am saying is that they are defending their friend, but in actualitly, who is here to defend the 3 boys in custody?  I certainly am not saying these 3 are innocent, but at same time, I also want to remain objective.  I am in my 40's and still know some of the crazy things I did when not with my folk's around at the age of 17/18, and if they knew half of it, they would be rolling in their graves to this day

[icey]

Well, SC and papa released for now. At least the new judge seemed satisfied with the cased against joren and the other 2 punks. It would appear the the case against the 3 is strong, if 2 different judges have ordered them held.

Those of you in the US better start calling, writing and otherwise making a nuisance out ourself with your elected officials, the FBI and the White House. Tell them we demand justice in this case, which is in the best interest of Aruba as well.  

Joren is guilty in my book, why?

1)Too many lies for no good reason.
2) Statements to BT like "what do you want with your daughter? She is no use to you now"  
3) He never brought Natalee back to the HI. His other bullcrap stories of "left her hysterical on the beach" and "left her sleeping on the beach" are either moronic or point to a woman raped, drugged or killed.

Other than that, the rumors of cell calls and text messages that night point to some type of activity.

If this case collapses and the result is "we don't know what happent the Natalee" or that " she might be kidnapped", that should spell doom for Aruba. That is not the story Aruba wants to tell. It will scare people away for sure.

icey

[Microcephalic]

I suspect that there may be former date-rape victims of Joran van der Sloot lurking on this forum. If you are such a person, then I would advise you to contact the FBI or to send a private message to one of the founders of this forum. As a participant on this forum, I can attest that the founders of this forum are people of integrity and are people whom you can trust. You may wish to work out an agreement with them as to how you want that information to be handled, but I would urge anyone who has been victimized by this man, or who feels that she may have been given a date-rape drug by him, to have their voice heard. I have made a similar announcement at Riehl World.

Where is their any indication of this?

[absolut]

http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/viewtopic.php?p=35052#35052

updated timeline from (WriteNow) Thanks.

[CanoneroII]

The suspect in this case, Joran Van der Sloot and two other individuals were the last persons seen with Natalee Halloway.  Since that  time different versions by the alledged have been told of where Ms. Holloway was droped off that evening after a trip to the lighthouse along the coastline.  It was also reported that "something bad happened".  What exactly that was and where it occured remains a mystery.  Continuing on with the questioning....personally, Joran has no credibility with me.  The alleged doesn't demonstate character befitting of a responsible, law-abiding person in society socially.  Even more importantly here is suspect alledged of a crime who changes thier description of events during questioning is concealing information either to protect him or herself or other individuals invloved or those aware of the crime committed.  In my estimation what has been told may very well be nothing less than an elaborate smokescreen to protect suspects and others potentially involved in Natalee Holloway's dissapearance.  I trust that a former prosecutor and judge in training should advise his son to answer questions as thoroughly and accurately as possible.  After all, they have had ample time to do so and I would immagine that any good parent in such a position would have casually discussed this on more than at least one occasion.     IN ADDITION, these subjects should not have been released after their initial questioning. It would have also been of benefit to have had the entire Alabama group remain on the island for questioning prior to their departure back home.

[goon squad]

<<I have warned from day one that you have to let the Arubans handle this like they know how.>>


It wasn't pressure from family, U.S. media, U.S. government that caused the police to foul up the initial missing person report filing.

Nor did it cause the police to fail to secure a controlled interview from one of the last people seen with the missing person for six hours before the Holloways reached the Van Der Sloot residence.

And it didn't cause the police to neglect the collection of physical evidence, for nine days, from the last people seen with the missing person, when those people failed to provide a verifiable alibi.

And it didn't cause the police to detain two security guards with no connection to the case.

So I don't see the proof for the presence of Natalee's family, the U.S. media, and the FBI being a malevolent force on the investigation.  Because it appears that Aruban law enforcement's consistent screw-ups - and make no mistake, the handling of PVDS is another massive one - appear to occur independent of who or what is supposedly pressuring it.

[friend of monkeys]

wwizard...by serpentine are you referring to the 3 or something bigger?  And, yes, trying to follow the $$$.  thanx

just an priciple I've had for years

oh.thanx.  for some reason it reminds me of a family of clever pickpockets
that I saw at a bus/reststop in Italy...waiting for the next bus after ours..
and yes, they got me! $300.

[DT]

It is understandable the the Alabama kids are so emotional, yet at same time I think that everyone on here should be able to have a voice...

I agree with having a voice but I think some things have been said with an edge to them...and it's not necessary.

Right, what I am saying is that they are defending their friend, but in actualitly, who is here to defend the 3 boys in custody?  I certainly am not saying these 3 are innocent, but at same time, I also want to remain objective.  I am in my 40's and still know some of the crazy things I did when not with my folk's around at the age of 17/18, and if they knew half of it, they would be rolling in their graves to this day

Surprisingly a lot of people are defending Joran, I dont agree with a lot of what they say, but it is good to have them here to balance things out.

[wwizard]

heck, I'll admit it, I vacillate between the goog girl/bad girl scenarios with the attending theories.......all I know is what's on this screen

[Loren]

professor-
I suspect there are victims of jvds out there and I would love to think that they have already contacted the FBI.

[la_cavalière]

Natalee introduced herself to Joran, chatted with him, invited him to Carlos 'n Charlie's, danced with him there, walked out with him, and apparently voluntarily got in the car with him. I would say she sort of liked him, although of course she couldn't have known him very well after such a short time.

la_cavalière wrote:
Joran couldn't have been THAT much of a jerk that Sunday. Natalee apparently took a liking to him, and everyone says she had great judgment. If she had thought he was an arrogant liar, I doubt she would have spent any time with him.

Hi, la_cav   .  Maybe you missed my previous response because it was on page 50 of the last thread.  I wrote:

We really don't know if Natalee "took a liking to him" or not. How would we know that? For all we know, he saw her and her group leaving the bar and walked out to try to catch her and spend more time with her. We don't know that she spoke to him other than introducing herself earlier that day. And just because you introduce yourself to someone doesn't mean you took a liking to them. It is being polite. When my husband and I were in Vegas, if we were at a table gambling for a while with the same people, we would introduce ourselves or strike up small talk. That didn't mean we wanted to date the people.

I'd also like to add that I don't recall anyone saying she invited him to CnC's or was dancing with him at the bar.  One more thing.  Last night a woman told of her experience when she was unknowingly drugged with a "date rape" drug.  He husband told her that she was walking and talking coherently, yet she had no memory of it.  ***PERHAPS Natalee was drugged when she left the bar with the group of MBers and then Joran asked her if he could ride with her back to HI.  IN THIS THEORETICAL SCENARIO, she would have been willing to get in the car with him, but she would not have been cognizant of her actions.  JUST A THOUGHT  

Hi Puggy! (My nick should be BeagleWeagle). I still think the chances are greater that Natalee sort of liked Joran than she was trying to evade him the whole night.

I don't know if she invited Joran, but I know she told him she was going to CnCs that night. Why would you do that if you thought he was a jerk? And why would she dance with him? Why would she walk out with him? If she didn't like him, she could have asked one of the dozens of MBH students there to walk out with her.

I remember being in situations where a guy I didn't like was hanging out around me, and I would be sure to join my friends to get rid of him.

I'm sure Joran can be very charming with the ladies, and he was likely charming in Natalee's eyes that evening.

[HannieC]

Hi arubagirl..  No i didn`t get any "beschuit met muisjes" but then again it`s really bad foor your teeth they are so hard to chew on....

And I didn`t see her name already I think the name will be announced when the prince is going to the 'gemeentehuis'   To write the birthcertificate

[inspector_detector]

Well, SC and papa released for now. At least the new judge seemed satisfied with the cased against joren and the other 2 punks. It would appear the the case against the 3 is strong, if 2 different judges have ordered them held.

Those of you in the US better start calling, writing and otherwise making a nuisance out ourself with your elected officials, the FBI and the White House. Tell them we demand justice in this case, which is in the best interest of Aruba as well.  

Joren is guilty in my book, why?

1)Too many lies for no good reason.
2) Statements to BT like "what do you want with your daughter? She is no use to you now"  
3) He never brought Natalee back to the HI. His other bullcrap stories of "left her hysterical on the beach" and "left her sleeping on the beach" are either moronic or point to a woman raped, drugged or killed.

Other than that, the rumors of cell calls and text messages that night point to some type of activity.

If this case collapses and the result is "we don't know what happent the Natalee" or that " she might be kidnapped", that should spell doom for Aruba. That is not the story Aruba wants to tell. It will scare people away for sure.

icey

According to Satish's attorney, there is no evidence in this case whatsoever, and I for one agree with him.

[writenow]

--- wrote:
I cant deal with this anymore. I left for a few days, and was asked to come back... I did, now I wish I hadn't. I can't stand people's ignorance or maliciousness anymore, so congrats to all of you who want me gone... you win!

To all of you who actually care about Natalee, thank you. Please continue to pray for her safe return... Thank you again for all that you've done.

The truth will come out (I know more than you know, as do many others... Joran is guilty. This doesn't interest me though; I could care less what is done with him... I just wish he'd say where Natalee is.)

Thank you again to all of you who are supportive! Hopefully, you will keep fighting and be stronger than I can.

---  

I am going to reserve comment until later that one of the few people who were willing to talk about events just got ran off. Some one who many of us are thankful made an effort to give info when she did not have to.

Many of you have bitched and moaned that there were no MB's making comments or not going on shows. Its not that there were not MB teens doing so ... its they were not saying what you wanted to hear or refused to listen to.

How many times do people have to be told ... these are teenagers ... not adults and the same rules do not apply!

I am sad to see Dash go, and I am desperately praying for Natalee's safe return.  I am looking forward to your later comments, Red.  Thanks again for all your dedication.

I'm very sad, too. We all love Dash. And I'm very angry that Joran & company's friends/family have chosen to attack her.

[sandy]

2) Statements to BT like "what do you want with your daughter? She is no use to you now"
Never heard the last part of that statement - is it true?

[KackyLacky]

TRIED TO POST THIS IN THE LAST POST It has already been established that we have all made bad judgements as well as done some stupid things as teenagers.   And yes, think it is safe to say.  Everyone or most everyone did the underage thing.

My challenge was to all the posters here villainizing Joran because he was drinking when he was not old enough (he was about two months shy of his 18th birthday). Unless these posters never drank until they hit the legal age, they are hypocrites.

I don't think the point was that he was drinking 2 months before his legal age!  It has been very obvious to most that he was doing this for quite some time.  He could not have been that unknown on the island.  People had to know he was still in HS.  From what we have seen on web pictures his behavior has been the same for a long time.  I don't buy the excuse he was just using a fake ID so we didn't know how old he was.

Drinking establishments and casinos have gone on the record saying they never let anyone in under age.  They did look the other way in this case.  

Am I a hypocrite?  No!  I actually did not drink until legal age, however, I don't see what that has to do with anything.

Hell, he was gambling at the Excelsior with his dad that night.

[Anna]

WWIZARD WROTE:

again w/ respect, why is NH above reproach??

I fully appreicate opinions, but you know the old adage, opinions are like as#holes, everyone has one and most are full of shi#. You don't know Natalee, you were not there so your speculations have proven to unfounded and hurtful. Someone has lost a dear friend under horrible circumstances and if it were your child, sister, friend, you would want the same respect.

[/quote]<<

No one is above reproach but you need something factual with which to do it.  So far, there is not much in that regard.  But why would you want to reproach her?  She is the victim here and the one who is missing and likely dead.  Most people do not want to speak ill of the dead because they are not here to defend themselves making it a really obnoxious thing to do.

Why would anybody want to issue reproach on somebody who is probably deceased and the victim of some horrible crime?  It is generally considered pretty low class to attack somebody who cannot fight back.

[arrabba]

If they watched her drown, that would have been what they changed their story to. Hell, they should have concocted that one to begin with if they're responsible for harming her. It would have been the easiest to get out of.

Except they would have to explain why they didn't call for help on their cell phones.

[inspector_detector]

heck, I'll admit it, I vacillate between the goog girl/bad girl scenarios with the attending theories.......all I know is what's on this screen

I don't think that drinking at a club, leaving with new friends, or walking alone on the beach makes someone a "bad girl". Nor does it have anything to do with the disappearance case.

[arubagirl]

Thanks, Hannie C.