RBN #28 6/26/05 Sunday Evening

[iquitos]

geez louise...professor:

"he was sent to YOGA AND MEDITATION classes. Yes. THAT is the clincher, and NOT the fact that he is now seeing a psychiatrist."

You have this kid diagnosed as being a sociopath, animal abuser, and something else I can't remember now....I'm sure you will remind me!

His mother said he "TOOK" yoga class, not that he was "sent" to yoga class.  We don't know for certain he is seeing a psychiatrist....and if he is, that is quite a stretch to sociopath.

The discussions here tonight are so far overboard, no pun intended, it's disgusting.  I don't know if Joran killed Nat or not....and neither do you! But you have him tried and convicted...

He told a lie about dropping Nat off....but so far as I can tell, he changed his story to taking her to the Marriott after that.  I think he told the first lie cus he didn't want anyone, his parents or her parents, to know they had sex on the beach.  He's 17, scared and maybe a little stupid.

A sociopath that does not make!!!

Umm, yeah.  They're theories.  I have no idea if the Professor is onto something.  Basically though, we need more brainstorming.

I agree, a nascent insanity defense.

[K in TX]

It was also on Valentjn's (Joran's bro) gilfriends website. That they were seeing each other that is, not necessarily having sex.

Yes, there is confirmation from Valentijn's girlfriend's blog that Joran was going out with her best friend, a fellow 7th grader -- no confirmation of anything more than dating. This was as recent as March of this year.

Um, okay, now that's just GROSS.  How many seniors want to date SEVENTH graders?

I don't know... she is a very pretty girl, though. And her best friend was dating Joran's brother, who was in the 9th grade.

Pretty or not...GROSS!  Maybe things are different outside of the US, but I know for a fact that when I was in high school, especially as a senior, any senior guy that would have dared to date a 7th grader would have been deemed a weirdo.  Heck, we had some seniors that dated freshman, and even THEY got tons of flack.  It's weird to me, but that's just my opinion, as usual!

[Professor]

Professor wrote:

Re Hendrik Croes: Papers filed in the Netherlands, as well as official CIA documents, claim that money laundering is Aruba's NUMBER ONE INDUSTRY. Tourism comes in second. (Actually tourism is the facilitator, since casinos, clubs and other cash businesses FACILITATE money laundering

.)

HUh.............who is Hendrik Croes??

Minister of Justice for the whole island. His law firm also represent several banks known for money laundering. Not "accused" of money laundering, mind you. KNOWN for money laundering.

[TTownMike]

geez louise...professor:

"he was sent to YOGA AND MEDITATION classes. Yes. THAT is the clincher, and NOT the fact that he is now seeing a psychiatrist."

You have this kid diagnosed as being a sociopath, animal abuser, and something else I can't remember now....I'm sure you will remind me!

His mother said he "TOOK" yoga class, not that he was "sent" to yoga class.  We don't know for certain he is seeing a psychiatrist....and if he is, that is quite a stretch to sociopath.

The discussions here tonight are so far overboard, no pun intended, it's disgusting.  I don't know if Joran killed Nat or not....and neither do you! But you have him tried and convicted...

He told a lie about dropping Nat off....but so far as I can tell, he changed his story to taking her to the Marriott after that.  I think he told the first lie cus he didn't want anyone, his parents or her parents, to know they had sex on the beach.  He's 17, scared and maybe a little stupid.

A sociopath that does not make!!!

Umm, yeah.  They're theories.  I have no idea if the Professor is onto something.  Basically though, we need more brainstorming.

Seems to me the Professor is simply pointing out exactly what a sociopath is and that may or may not be a shoe that fits SONNY BOY!  But it does "seem' like it could fit!  And that is MY OPINION!

[Tila_Bean]

isn't that the Asian girl we have heard about before? 13 yrs old

She appears to be of Indian descent, has an Indian name.

Any pictures of this girl?

[la_cavalière]

Teenage girls seem to grow up so much faster these days... they seem much more interested in boys and dressing sexy.

[K in TX]

Listen, a 17 year old in the "dutch opinion"or a 15 year old or a 16 year old for that effect isn`t scary at all if they`re date or have a 'relationship' with a girl with that age ...sorry that`s illegal in the US but not in other countries ...so what`s the point?

Sorry...I'm not trying to start a debate here.  Being that I am from the US, that's the only opinion I have.  And, it isn't exactly illegal for a 17 year old to date a 13 year old in the US, but it would be considered a little odd.  

So, my point was that...it's weird to me.  Doesn't mean it has to be weird to everyone.  I wasn't implying that!

[Kkial]

Professor wrote:

Re Hendrik Croes: Papers filed in the Netherlands, as well as official CIA documents, claim that money laundering is Aruba's NUMBER ONE INDUSTRY. Tourism comes in second. (Actually tourism is the facilitator, since casinos, clubs and other cash businesses FACILITATE money laundering

.)

HUh.............who is Hendrik Croes??

Minister of Justice for the whole island. His law firm also represent several banks known for money laundering. Not "accused" of money laundering, mind you. KNOWN for money laundering.

He is the guy that old Geraldo last nite that PVDS was arrested so his son would talk,,,

[luna]

Dallas Also...."Basically though, we need more brainstorming."

I'm all for brainstorming....but saying that because someone took yoga, that is the CLINCHER that he's a sociopath?????

Give me a f***ing break.

[Dallas Also]

Professor wrote:

Re Hendrik Croes: Papers filed in the Netherlands, as well as official CIA documents, claim that money laundering is Aruba's NUMBER ONE INDUSTRY. Tourism comes in second. (Actually tourism is the facilitator, since casinos, clubs and other cash businesses FACILITATE money laundering

.)

HUh.............who is Hendrik Croes??

Minister of Justice for the whole island. His law firm also represent several banks known for money laundering. Not "accused" of money laundering, mind you. KNOWN for money laundering.

I hate to say it, but I will.  Was Paulus Van Der Sloot's release today an evidence of governmental corruption?

[klaasend]

isn't that the Asian girl we have heard about before? 13 yrs old

She appears to be of Indian descent, has an Indian name.

Any pictures of this girl?

Even if you had a picture, you wouldn't want to post it here if she's 13yrs old and has nothing at all to do with case.

[nancy_drew]

Professor wrote:

Re Hendrik Croes: Papers filed in the Netherlands, as well as official CIA documents, claim that money laundering is Aruba's NUMBER ONE INDUSTRY. Tourism comes in second. (Actually tourism is the facilitator, since casinos, clubs and other cash businesses FACILITATE money laundering

.)

HUh.............who is Hendrik Croes??

Minister of Justice for the whole island. His law firm also represent several banks known for money laundering. Not "accused" of money laundering, mind you. KNOWN for money laundering.

This theory is way, way, way, out there!!!  This is not Patty Hearst we're talking about here.  Money laundering?  She was last seen with a teenager.  She's missing and he admits leaving her at the beach.  Where does money laundering come into play here?  Don't answer that.

[~TAZ_MAN~]

I'm fascinated by this search they are doing...

I never knew cadaver dogs can smell a body even if it's ten feet under water!!!

I'm watching a Fox repeat.

Also, good point made by former NY detective.  He thinks the body has to be close to where Natalee was last seen...the timeline is too tight..and he's 17 yrs. old.  Hmmmmmmm.

The tight timeline assumes they didnt do anything with her the next day and get rid of her in a better place.  Hopefully they didnt because that makes it easier to find her.  I dont believe she was ever at the Marriott, and think she is somewhere on the other side of the island, somewhere they didnt mention in the opposite direction of where they said she was.

[luna]

Professor wrote:

Re Hendrik Croes: Papers filed in the Netherlands, as well as official CIA documents, claim that money laundering is Aruba's NUMBER ONE INDUSTRY. Tourism comes in second. (Actually tourism is the facilitator, since casinos, clubs and other cash businesses FACILITATE money laundering

.)

HUh.............who is Hendrik Croes??

Minister of Justice for the whole island. His law firm also represent several banks known for money laundering. Not "accused" of money laundering, mind you. KNOWN for money laundering.

He is the guy that old Geraldo last nite that PVDS was arrested so his son would talk,,,

No, that was RUDY Croes.

[HannieC]

Sorry K in Tx i wasn`t aiming at you, but I heard that statement before and I just say it isn`t such big a deal in europe...

[TTownMike]

Listen, a 17 year old in the "dutch opinion"or a 15 year old or a 16 year old for that effect isn`t scary at all if they`re date or have a 'relationship' with a girl with that age ...sorry that`s illegal in the US but not in other countries ...so what`s the point?

Per the sources previously noted there was statment of Dutch/Aruban law!

[iquitos]

It was also on Valentjn's (Joran's bro) gilfriends website. That they were seeing each other that is, not necessarily having sex.

Yes, there is confirmation from Valentijn's girlfriend's blog that Joran was going out with her best friend, a fellow 7th grader -- no confirmation of anything more than dating. This was as recent as March of this year.

Um, okay, now that's just GROSS.  How many seniors want to date SEVENTH graders?

I don't know... she is a very pretty girl, though. And her best friend was dating Joran's brother, who was in the 9th grade.

Pretty or not...GROSS!  Maybe things are different outside of the US, but I know for a fact that when I was in high school, especially as a senior, any senior guy that would have dared to date a 7th grader would have been deemed a weirdo.  Heck, we had some seniors that dated freshman, and even THEY got tons of flack.  It's weird to me, but that's just my opinion, as usual!

 

but wait, if he is a cradle robber why did he take to Natalee who is older than he is?  that does not track wiht the "likes em young" postulation.  and you know what, did you never see the little ones who got a crush on an older boy and it is just some innocent thing?

[Dallas Also]

We are brainstorming.  

Please reserve your judgements, if at all possible.  Ask questions for clarification, or post facts that would dispute any theory.

[la_cavalière]

Even if you had a picture, you wouldn't want to post it here if she's 13yrs old and has nothing at all to do with case.

Yes, I'd rather protect her privacy.

[iquitos]

geez louise...professor:

"he was sent to YOGA AND MEDITATION classes. Yes. THAT is the clincher, and NOT the fact that he is now seeing a psychiatrist."

You have this kid diagnosed as being a sociopath, animal abuser, and something else I can't remember now....I'm sure you will remind me!

His mother said he "TOOK" yoga class, not that he was "sent" to yoga class.  We don't know for certain he is seeing a psychiatrist....and if he is, that is quite a stretch to sociopath.

The discussions here tonight are so far overboard, no pun intended, it's disgusting.  I don't know if Joran killed Nat or not....and neither do you! But you have him tried and convicted...

He told a lie about dropping Nat off....but so far as I can tell, he changed his story to taking her to the Marriott after that.  I think he told the first lie cus he didn't want anyone, his parents or her parents, to know they had sex on the beach.  He's 17, scared and maybe a little stupid.

A sociopath that does not make!!!

Umm, yeah.  They're theories.  I have no idea if the Professor is onto something.  Basically though, we need more brainstorming.

Seems to me the Professor is simply pointing out exactly what a sociopath is and that may or may not be a shoe that fits SONNY BOY!  But it does "seem' like it could fit!  And that is MY OPINION!

 

May fit but what does it mean?  murder does not follow.