RBN #28 6/26/05 Sunday Evening

[writenow]

You are right soccerdad...As far as we Know he lied!!

Ok but does that make him a murderer? I don`t think so. I think what people forget is......it`s a kid he`s 17 years old. If we think that all lyers are murderers...snip

Are you kidding us?

They lied about a person that is M I S S I N G!! not about stealing cookies for goodness sake.

THANK YOU!

[natfortplum]

Do we know how much was withdrawn from ATM, and what is the source?

[bobntexas]

For the record, I do not believe this is a Dutch versus American issue and lambasting each others countries is ridiculous. There is probable concern that a crime has been committed and the last 3 people with Nat have admitted lying to the police regarding the events.  Everyone in the world should wish that Nat is found soon.

[TTownMike]

The two ATM withdrawals between 3AM and 3:45AM on Monday morning were said to have been made by Paul vdS, but we haven't heard any confirmation that the cameras ID'ed the card-user as Paul.  We don't know that it wasn't Joran.

I haven't heard much about papa's bein out that am.  What has he said to explain it if hes out at those hours?

[HannieC]

people you can all attack me....sorry that`s MY opinion..I thougth I was entitled to my opinion on this forum?

[writenow]

The two ATM withdrawals between 3AM and 3:45AM on Monday morning were said to have been made by Paul vdS, but we haven't heard any confirmation that the cameras ID'ed the card-user as Paul.  We don't know that it wasn't Joran.

Do you know where you read/saw this? An interview? Fascinating if true.

[SoccerDad]

Actually, what I've found on this board lately is that the Dutch, either ex-pat or native, are fiercely defending their own -- Joran, his dad & the Dutch authorities in Aruba -- because it somehow reflects on their national identity and pride. And those same people have been attacking a grieving family, a missing girl and her friends, desperately trying to find ways that a Dutch national would not be responsible for kidnapping an American. So I think you are VERY judgmental, you just aren't when it comes to your own kind.

I have been noticing the same thing. It is heartless and irrational and it is adding to my frustration and horror about this whole fiasco.

[Terry]

people you can all attack me....sorry that`s MY opinion..I thougth I was entitled to my opinion on this forum?

You are....


Wonder why Mr VDS was at an ATM at that hour?

[KerinTX]

people you can all attack me....sorry that`s MY opinion..I thougth I was entitled to my opinion on this forum?

Hannie...don't do that. You know me, I just posted what I thought...that Joran lied thus proving that he has something to hide. What is that? I don't know yet. Does that mean he murdered someone? Not for a fact.

You are Dutch, I am French...hey...it's all good.  

[Terry]

The two ATM withdrawals between 3AM and 3:45AM on Monday morning were said to have been made by Paul vdS, but we haven't heard any confirmation that the cameras ID'ed the card-user as Paul.  We don't know that it wasn't Joran.

Do you know where you read/saw this? An interview? Fascinating if true.

Dunno where this came from, but I am betting false. jmo

[Kkial]

people you can all attack me....sorry that`s MY opinion..I thougth I was entitled to my opinion on this forum?

Hannie you are sure entitled to your opinion,,,but also is everybody else.

[SoccerDad]

people you can all attack me....sorry that`s MY opinion..I thougth I was entitled to my opinion on this forum?

Of course you are! We all are. But don't tell us the Dutch are not judgmental.

[Itawamba]

I believe it must have been part of the "probable cause" presented for the detainment of Paulus.  It was at the Aruba Bank across the street from McDonald's, according to arubagirl's directions.

[TTownMike]

writenow wrote:

Actually, what I've found on this board lately is that the Dutch, either ex-pat or native, are fiercely defending their own -- Joran, his dad & the Dutch authorities in Aruba -- because it somehow reflects on their national identity and pride. And those same people have been attacking a grieving family, a missing girl and her friends, desperately trying to find ways that a Dutch national would not be responsible for kidnapping an American. So I think you are VERY judgmental, you just aren't when it comes to your own kind.

I could say the same about you writenow...  But you know I don`t
I have a hard time sleeping b/c I `m really emotional about this and my heart goes out to natalee`s mom and family, so it`s just another assumption of you and you`re again wrong.
But why is everybody who has a different opinion here then the most of you, playing it this way? I can`t understand I said if he`s guilty or they are guilty with whatever happend with natalee, Pay clear and simple
But I accept till now that neither of us have any solid evidence that he did something else than lie, what I can understand under this circumstances sorry.. JMHO.

But ya see Hannie, everbody is offering opinions, and they are accepted as such.  Then, sometimes, they are argued or rinforced by followup comments and facts.  You on the otherhand, seem to trash the others even as you put forth your own!  KnowwhutImean?

[AzRose]

The two ATM withdrawals between 3AM and 3:45AM on Monday morning were said to have been made by Paul vdS, but we haven't heard any confirmation that the cameras ID'ed the card-user as Paul.  We don't know that it wasn't Joran.

I had not heard this information, but if true, this is another very interesting twist.   I had posted several pages back that a possible reason PVDS did not remember waking Joren, was that he had never been asleep that night.  Wonder what amount of $ was withdrawn and where the ATM's were located.

[writenow]

writenow,

I dont disagree with one word youre saying but earlier today anybody that suspects Joran has been accused of being part of a lynch mob.

I know. And I'm still incredibly angry about the way some of those people treated Dash. It was cold and unfeeling toward a grieving young girl.

[Itawamba]

We can't forget that the cops felt it necessary to wear the HazMat suits when they searched the vdS residence (including Joran's apt.), so they must've felt there was *some* reason to go to such extremes.

[Kkial]

writenow,

I dont disagree with one word youre saying but earlier today anybody that suspects Joran has been accused of being part of a lynch mob.

I know. And I'm still incredibly angry about the way some of those people treated Dash. It was cold and unfeeling toward a grieving young girl.

Maybe she will come back,,She can lurk and see what is going on and then jump in......

NITE ALL<<<LEAVING IT WITH YA<<<<<<<Prayer time for Natalee

[Shell]

How do we know the brothers were home? All I remember was somewhere reading their mother said their door was locked. If Joran had the 2 brothers with him to help, then the mechanics of it all seems more plausible. Yes, I remember the text message, but where were the locations of the messages?

[KerinTX]

writenow,

I dont disagree with one word youre saying but earlier today anybody that suspects Joran has been accused of being part of a lynch mob.

I know. And I'm still incredibly angry about the way some of those people treated Dash. It was cold and unfeeling toward a grieving young girl.

and you know what, Write? I hope if Natalee is already gone that her body will be found quickly...this week. Because not one of Natalee's family or friends is going to be anle to grieve properly until her body is found...that's a FACT. And kids like Dash are about to start college and new lives...they need to be able to grieve and move on.