RBN #28 6/26/05 Sunday Evening

[KoG]

Catriana,

I'd also like to apologize if you felt I attacked you. I thought DT was a moderator. Still, my comments towards him were not direct. {edit: this issue will not be discussed publicly.  READ YOUR PMs KoG.   Any further comments will be made there}

[klaasend]

Link to album: http://arubagirl.typepad.com/photos/nh/

I really wanted to take a picture of Holiday Inn pool area, as well as the beach there, but I'm not kidding when there was not one freaking parking spot.

For Red, it's very hard to take pictures of the Cruiship area, as the whole area is fenced

Thanks....great pictures!

[ExTexinAZ]

I just washed 6 of my son's shirts - all variances of blue and white plaids.
 

(collective laugh - I thought we needed one!)

[coco]

and I thought Iquitos was just being paranoid! All the student spring break/grad trip travel sites that were very informative about Aruba a week ago, suddenly do not send trips there!

So... from the travel info site of "Aruba Rentals" (Luxury Condo rentals) at http://www.arubarentals.com/vacationtips.htm

on their "Travel Tips for Aruba" info page:

Legal                Drinking/Gambling Age
             
The legal age for both drinking and gambling is 18 years of age, however, this law is not widely enforced.


http://www.arubarentals.com/vacationtips.htm[url]

[Scarlet]

Does anybody know if Geraldo will be sent packing tonight and Greta will be back for the week night? I found Geraldo to be totally insulting to Natalee's mother and step-father.  And who really cared about his sailing??

Geraldo is no Greta!!

[KackyLacky]

Article in Birmingham News this morning--Holloway's Friends often Blame Themselves
 " More than a month ago, before the fateful trip to Aruba from which Natalee Holloway still hasn't returned, a group of six Mt. Brook teenage girls put on matching silver wishbone necklaces, a sign of their lasting friendship.  "Natalee still has hers," Mallie Tucker said on Saturday, wearing her wishbone necklace along with a yellow ribbon and bracelets that show her support for her missing friend. "We just get together and pray" said Frances Ellen Bird, also wearing her wishbone necklace at a concert to raise money for Natalee's family.  "We can't wait for her to come home."  Byrd was at C & C the night Holloway disapeared.  "I never saw her when she left," said Byrd.  "It was closing time and everyone was leaving."  She said Natalee was with Joran as early as 9:30 pm the night of her disaperance before leaving with him after the bar closed at 1:00 am.  She said it was hard to keep track of all the 124 MBHS students as they left the bar.  "I don't blame anyone," said Byrd. " Alot of us feel personal guilt " said Milner Owens who was on the trip.  "People are trying not to re-live it.  I wish we had all done something.  We've all learned a lesson from this.  We've changed.  Life is altered.  Beau Barron, also on the trip remembers being at the bar with Holloway that night and wonders how it could have turned out differently.  "Its always in the back of everyone's mind."

This is horrible for them, and only human for them to feel they could have done more. They were not dealing with elementary school kids here who will walk in single file. These were teenagers out to test normal limits. Living their lives, and a monster stepped in cutting one lovely life from the fold. I pray they find her and bring her home

[Shellbell]

If he waived his right to not testify on his son, there must be enough evidence to where they will have a trial.  I figured the LE had done blown the case.  They have now ruined 4 peoples lives probably.

[wwizard]

If it doesn't kill me, it makes me stronger

[DT]

Catriana,

I'd also like to apologize if you felt I attacked you. I thought DT was a moderator.

What! When did you attack me?  I dont remember seeing anything directed at me earlier from you.

[boxopen]

It's true that 3 other of Natalee's classmates died over the past year, 1 in a car accident and the other 2 by suicide?

PS - Don't blame me... the thread title is "Rumors"  

[writenow]

All he had to have was a couple of dollars.  If you're even an average poker player you can double it easily.

No way. I'm not buying it. Just prior to and just after Natalee's disappearance, Joran spent at least 15-30 hours in casinos in a six day period. That's a lot. And you're not going to convince me that he was winning all the time.

And you can't "easily" double your winnings. You can more easily lose -- A LOT. Casinos are set up for the house to win most of the time. That's what keeps them in business. Oh no. Wait. EXCEPT when it came to Joran. That's right. Then it was set up for HIM to win because he's da man.

Please. Not buying it.

[Scarlet]

On second thought if they want to keep Geraldo they can.

[Catriana]

Article in Birmingham News this morning--Holloway's Friends often Blame Themselves
 " More than a month ago, before the fateful trip to Aruba from which Natalee Holloway still hasn't returned, a group of six Mt. Brook teenage girls put on matching silver wishbone necklaces, a sign of their lasting friendship.  "Natalee still has hers," Mallie Tucker said on Saturday, wearing her wishbone necklace along with a yellow ribbon and bracelets that show her support for her missing friend. "We just get together and pray" said Frances Ellen Bird, also wearing her wishbone necklace at a concert to raise money for Natalee's family.  "We can't wait for her to come home."  Byrd was at C & C the night Holloway disapeared.  "I never saw her when she left," said Byrd.  "It was closing time and everyone was leaving."  She said Natalee was with Joran as early as 9:30 pm the night of her disaperance before leaving with him after the bar closed at 1:00 am.  She said it was hard to keep track of all the 124 MBHS students as they left the bar.  "I don't blame anyone," said Byrd. " Alot of us feel personal guilt " said Milner Owens who was on the trip.  "People are trying not to re-live it.  I wish we had all done something.  We've all learned a lesson from this.  We've changed.  Life is altered.  Beau Barron, also on the trip remembers being at the bar with Holloway that night and wonders how it could have turned out differently.  "Its always in the back of everyone's mind."

Charlotte, thank you for the post showing us just a glimpse of what it is like for Alana and Natalee's numerous friends.    My heart aches for all of them.  

[wwizard]

we're looking for the truth but you can't talk about this, that, or those....

[arubagirl]

Scarlet, no thanks.

[iquitos]

Link to album: http://arubagirl.typepad.com/photos/nh/

I really wanted to take a picture of Holiday Inn pool area, as well as the beach there, but I'm not kidding when there was not one freaking parking spot.

For Red, it's very hard to take pictures of the Cruiship area, as the whole area is fenced

 

thanks aruba girl for the pics.  are you smog?  nice pic of mikkie dee parking area but thankfully we can scratch Paulus off the list of now.  i bet he will avoid that place from now on.

[icey]

Why do people always try to deflect focus on a subject by trying to bring in every other evil or wrong doing as a reason why someone should not be so concerned? It's like we are trying to talk to a 3 year old child.

As a matter of fact I have done a lot about "justice in my backyard", with some of my effort resulting with individuals serving lenghtly jail terms for crimes they thought they "got away" with.

This board is focused on Natalee's disappearance and those who have incriminated themselfs. I don't care about any other crimes against humanity when it comes to the resolution of this case. This is the only case. Any watering down of focus will result in further disrespect of the victim and the possibilty that the criminals will go free.

icey

I don't mean to be argumentative, but if you are concerned about justice, there are countless  cases  of injustice in your own backyard. What are you doing about them?

Katya-friend-of-Joran,

We're not talking about other cases here. We're talking about Natalee. That's why it's labeled Natalee Holloway. You know. You clicked on it when you entered this forum. We're talking about justice in THIS case. Got it?[/quote]

Katya, it is agreed that we have injustice and justice misplaced.  Whatever the instance you could likely find a blog or website making comments about them.  However, here the topic is Natalee.  If you would like to know what is being said about the other instances of "injustice in ..." our own backyard, please feel free to google a name.  It will take you to those forums.[/quote]

[inthepacific]

Link to album: http://arubagirl.typepad.com/photos/nh/

I really wanted to take a picture of Holiday Inn pool area, as well as the beach there, but I'm not kidding when there was not one freaking parking spot.

For Red, it's very hard to take pictures of the Cruiship area, as the whole area is fenced

Thanks Arubagirl for your hard work in taking these shots.

Do you know if they(LE) have thoroughly checked fishermans hut?

[cast]

It's one thing to debate theories but another to debase the girl's charater and decision-making with unfounded suppositions.  Dash was asked to be here and she provided a great deal of insight and that should have been respected.

With great respect I have to ask if Natalees character was specifically impuned by this board OR if it was just that there was conjecture and opinion that ran contrary to Dash's opinion of her friend.

It has been mentioned several times on this board that people often act quite differently while on vacation than they do in their "regular" life.  And I can certainly attest to that.

Having lived in Aruba and now currently in Cozumel, Mexico (both big party islands) I see outrageous and irresponsible behavior by touists almost every time I go out of my house.  Young women, in particular come to these islands with intent to "party wild" and "get laid" by the local dive masters, instructors, CnC waiters, bartenders, cute guys on the street, whomever.......it is a demonstrable and easily observed "fact of life" down here.  It used to be that  for pure entertainment, the "locals" would sit on the sea wall across from CnC's here in Cozumel to watch the tourists (primarily American) stumble, fall, vomit on themselves, strip down, yell and scream at one another and in general make asses of themselves as they exited the club......This is not a judgment on my part....it is what happens here.  

While I am NOT saying that Natalee behaved this way, the fact remains that she fits the demographic.  And it is understandable that this theory would be put forth.

I am also not clear whether Dash actually provided valuable "insight" or just her opinion.  It has been stated that Natalee was a "good girl" in just about every sense that any of us can think of....this has been reported widely in the press, This was not "breaking news" or "insight" from Dash....

Just my opinion

I agree that in her rather "delicate" emotional state, this board was not the place for her to be.

Thank you.

It was to my surprise that they (students and parents) would even be on any boards divulging selective info. A mature experienced poster would expect that you are going to get some good agreeable responses and some not so agreeable responses. Thats life. Thats people. Thats why we are all different.

[arubagirl]

inthepacifc, they did