RBN #28 6/26/05 Sunday Evening

[DAG]

He barely had time to maintain all those websites he was on.

Pinemeadows, thanks for that comment.  I needed that "humor" right about now.

[coco]

ArubaGirl - these photos are awesome! thank you so much!

There seems to be a lot of development on the island - is this a new development?

Also, you mention the political parties all being out today - is there an election coming up?


and finally, can we all come visit - I could use that beach view right about now!

[DT]

writenow sorry i disagree on that. I don`t like it if you are bashing Katya for having another opinion then yours, If that is so then you can bash me too, b/c we al have our own opinion and I`m also not a friend of Joran or the kalpoes but some of us have maybe a much more open mind then others so why does that make it legit to bash people of who we only know that he lied once( we don`t even now how much) and b/c he lied must hang b/c he did it? I have said this before, If someone is lying that doesn`t make him/her a murderer! Whe are not in those boys shoes and we don`t have ALL facts so why is bashing and slender thru the mud of all the families is makes it ok? If there are FACTS and EVIDENCE then I think slender as much as you wish. But everybody is entitled to state there opinion I hope, I do......

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Hannie,
You have Natalee's frantic parents coming to Joran's house less than 24 hours after their daughter is missing. And what do Joran and Deepak do? They DELIBERATELY lie and TAKE THEM BACK TO THE HOLIDAY INN lying all the way and DELIBERATELY FALSIFY where they say they left her.
These were CRUCIAL hours when the TRUTH needed to come out for a young girl's safety. Yet they kept lying and lying and lying.

I am appalled at the people who defend the irresponsible, hateful, cruel and heartless actions of people like that.

It is more than just that.  They lied and incriminated other people who they knew were innocent.  I just dont see that happening unless they had something to hide.

[KoG]

KOG.. READ YOUR PMs.

[KackyLacky]

Didn't go to Noord, there was a political rally, and the traffic was stuck.

For some reasons all political parties decided to have an event today.

OK thanks. I just wondered if the Texas group had been to the dump/pond yet? Thanks again for those photos. Simply marvelous, dahling!  

[iquitos]

about the pictures, the one of joran pretending to strangle (ugh) someone and  the one with the cash.   that looks like school play stuff to me.  BTW on the night in question he was playing in a texas holdem contest, won 4th place.

[scared-tom]

Folks

This discussion board is taking a turn for the worse in tone. I am goign to make this post short and sweet , and expand on it later.

Please be polite and respectful to the moderators and your fellow posters.

That is all I demand, but that is something I absolutely demand.

Tom

[wantsanswers]

All he had to have was a couple of dollars.  If you're even an average poker player you can double it easily.

No way. I'm not buying it. Just prior to and just after Natalee's disappearance, Joran spent at least 15-30 hours in casinos in a six day period. That's a lot. And you're not going to convince me that he was winning all the time.

And you can't "easily" double your winnings. You can more easily lose -- A LOT. Casinos are set up for the house to win most of the time. That's what keeps them in business. Oh no. Wait. EXCEPT when it came to Joran. That's right. Then it was set up for HIM to win because he's da man.

Please. Not buying it.

You know what...I was trying to be respectful of you and put it to you lightly...but I think you just like to argue.  I'm done for the night...I can't deal with people that can't accept other's opinions.  And like I said before...you know nothing about poker.

 

now, to know somebody spent 15-30 hours in a casino somebody else had to be there too.  i have said it before, you can't have it both ways, logging joran's time at the tables.  why were the mb people focusing so on joran.  they fought with him, the formed opinions about him and hea had not even done anything yet.   were they jealous?

Probably an obnoxious jerk

[coco]

Hannie!

Welcome to the our world - not very pretty is it? hyperbole and rants take the place of reasoned thought all too easily - and asking questions when the party line has been decided is not well received.

I think the heat is particularly high today because the judge released S. Croes and PVDS - and there are a lot of people who were convinced that they were the devil incarnate - or at least drug lord white slavers. Their release threatens the "we know precisely what happened" view and makes people who are holding on to that certainty distressed.

[arubagirl]

Coco, in three months there is going to be an election, where twelve parties are going to be vying to be the biggest party. Those are going to be three looooong months.

I think all parties had an event today because campaigning season started officially on Thursday.

[arubagirl]

Hannie C, something I learned being on this board is "geduld is a schone deugd". (Patience is a virtue)

[luna]

Link to album: http://arubagirl.typepad.com/photos/nh/

I really wanted to take a picture of Holiday Inn pool area, as well as the beach there, but I'm not kidding when there was not one freaking parking spot.

For Red, it's very hard to take pictures of the Cruiship area, as the whole area is fenced

Hey ag...thanks so much for the pics.  Helps so much to be able to picture things.  And while the fisherman's Hut beach is fairly close to the HI....I find it really hard to believe the area could be seen from the HI at night.

[LouLou]

This is because according to the article in De Telegraaf, Joran has been seing a psychiatrist for some time now because he is short-tempered.

http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/default.asp?view=day&blogDate=6/11/2005

Don't you guys think this is even a little interesting?  Seriously, from a mostly lurker, some of your arguments are getting older than dirt (how much money does it take to pley poker in Aruba, who insulted who, why dash left, blah, blah, blah).  

Face it...by now you are just arguing with one other person that will never be pursuaded to your side so give the rest of us a chance.

[Angiex911dsptchr]

trying to catch up.. thank you s mch for the photos.. they are awesome!!!!
AND thank you for the time that you have spent on this forum keeping is up to date and taking out your own personal time to take the pics!!!
HUGS to you!!!!!!!  

[Florida_mom]

Something for everyone to think about:

The Aruban justice system can arrest people on just the slightest bit of suspicion without any real evidence, so, is it possible that there could be witness(es) that saw something the night of Natelees' disapearance but are afraid to come forward for fear of being involved and for fear being arrested?  I find it so strange that there is not a single witness!!

[arrabba]

Some of the theories posted are a little more far-fetched than others.  It seems that people think they are all equally valid since there is little supporting hard evidence for any of them.

However - there are probabilities.  

If Natalee disappered at her hotel - strong possibility someone from MB is involved.  

If Natalee disappeared on snorkeling trip - strong possibilty people on snorkel trip are involved.  

If Natalee disappeared while in a car with Joran, Deepak and Satish - strong possibility they are involved.  

If a child is missing - look for a pedophile

If an elderly person is missing - presume they have Alzeimer's and wandered off

If a woman is missing - husband/boyfriend is top suspect

If a woman on a date is missing - date is the top suspect.  

If anyone missing, last person to see them alive is the top suspect.  

That is why Joran is the most likely person to implicate in this case.  The other theories have less credence.

[Sobelle]

I like the "opinions"and speculations here. On the otherhand while I`m new to this blogs... Maybe i`m too sensitive about it all. I`m not used to this so maybe I sound defending or something, but I still am behind my opinion, but I sense some 'executing'style of bashing people... correct me if I`m wrong I`m only dutch and not used to slender people who i`m not certain of IF the commit a crime, certainly if I see no evidence for that effect. I`m not used to this 'mediacircus'also which most of the people here are used to b/c I understand it`s common in the US if a case is importent or has 'good'rates for the channel. So let me suck it in for a while , but I honestly don`t think that I ever going to like this media and people bashing thing. But I am certainly glad that I`ve found this blog b/c it`s a new way of state your opinions for what i`ve  seen I kinda like that fact.

And don`t get me wrong my heart is to see see natalee found safe and if the ones who are in jail are guilty, they must pay, but if they don`t are guilty , or only by stupidity thru lying then the court , the media and the folks here that thinks or feel they did it b/c 'they feel it' must let go and accept that fact, I hope and think!

I agree with you yet again HannieC.     You said it better than I ever could.

[coco]

ArubaGirl - wow. twelve parties!!!

Are any of them using the Natalee case in their campaigning - law&order statements or don't bow to US stuff or any of that?

I could easily see this becoming a factor in elections if it were here - are you seeing any sign there?


and I noticed you didn't confirm my reservation for a beachside visit!

[Anna]

It's one thing to debate theories but another to debase the girl's charater and decision-making with unfounded suppositions.  Dash was asked to be here and she provided a great deal of insight and that should have been respected.

With great respect I have to ask if Natalees character was specifically impuned by this board OR if it was just that there was conjecture and opinion that ran contrary to Dash's opinion of her friend.

It has been mentioned several times on this board that people often act quite differently while on vacation than they do in their "regular" life.  And I can certainly attest to that.

Having lived in Aruba and now currently in Cozumel, Mexico (both big party islands) I see outrageous and irresponsible behavior by touists almost every time I go out of my house.  Young women, in particular come to these islands with intent to "party wild" and "get laid" by the local dive masters, instructors, CnC waiters, bartenders, cute guys on the street, whomever.......it is a demonstrable and easily observed "fact of life" down here.  It used to be that  for pure entertainment, the "locals" would sit on the sea wall across from CnC's here in Cozumel to watch the tourists (primarily American) stumble, fall, vomit on themselves, strip down, yell and scream at one another and in general make asses of themselves as they exited the club......This is not a judgment on my part....it is what happens here.  

While I am NOT saying that Natalee behaved this way, the fact remains that she fits the demographic.  And it is understandable that this theory would be put forth.

I am also not clear whether Dash actually provided valuable "insight" or just her opinion.  It has been stated that Natalee was a "good girl" in just about every sense that any of us can think of....this has been reported widely in the press, This was not "breaking news" or "insight" from Dash....

Just my opinion

I agree that in her rather "delicate" emotional state, this board was not the place for her to be.

Very well put!

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Not only were very irrelevant and unkind remarks made about Natalee but abut the MBH students themselves.  They did not give enough interviews to MSM because they were covering up and hiding something really sinister.  They all said the same thing because they were covering up and hiding something sinister.  They said different things because they were covering up somethint sinister.  There is no way to deal with that sort of irrationality, it is just bashing.

I think you are making some very broad-sweeping generalities with your comments concerning AMERICAN tourists for I can assure you that ALL of them I have seen, regardless of their point of origin, behave very differently and sometimes very badly on vactation.  We have lots of them in this area, too, and some have been total jerks and were from other countries.  Imagine that  

And just like the previous posters who felt a need to cast aspersions on the kids along on the trip, you seem to have already decided the answers to your own questions and do not really care to hear that none of that happened.  Yes, indeedy, we are ALL in agreement that those things do not mean one is a bad person if one behaves badly on a trip but that still does not make it so and does mean any of the things some so desperately want to hear happened, happened at all.

Fitting the demographic just doesn't cut it for you were not there.  Dash was and we have lost the source for the information some claimed to want to know.  Well, that is what they claimed but it was pretty obvious that they did not really want to know what happened on the trip but rather wanted to hear only their own version of what they THOUGHT MIGHT could have possibly happened, given vacation, etc. validated.  Nothing less would do and over and over we have to hear how there is nothing wrong with blah, blah, blah that ALL the kids say never happened.  

So if it did not happen, why dwell on it?  Why keep insisting on and on and on that it did or that it was likely to have done so because you just happen to know the type, see it all the time.  They have to a man said it did not happen so what part of that do you not understand??  And why on earth would you think anyone would rather have your opinion over facts from  someone on the trip?  While it may have been her opinion, it was one that had insight no one else has.

Well, I know a few types myself and there is a type who will just not listen, who thinks he knows beforehand and has such a prejudical need to have his own beliefs confirmed and validated that nothing short will do.  Dash should not have to deal with that sort of person but she was the one with the information and the answers and unless you can replace that information, I would think your opinions are not as valuable as her actual knowledge.  I find it amazing that you feel that they are and you are entitled to make the judgment for the entire blog that SHE should not be on here when actual facts are so very hard to find in this tragedy.

I would much rather have her information than your pure speculation based on what you perceive as typical behavior for that is just your own opinion and has nothing whatsoever to do with this trip on which Natalee disappeared.

Are you seriously suggesting that Dash's knowledge should be replaced with your "demographics" and speculation?  Doesn't work for me, sorry.

[wantsanswers]

I like the "opinions"and speculations here. On the otherhand while I`m new to this blogs... Maybe i`m too sensitive about it all. I`m not used to this so maybe I sound defending or something, but I still am behind my opinion, but I sense some 'executing'style of bashing people... correct me if I`m wrong I`m only dutch and not used to slender people who i`m not certain of IF the commit a crime, certainly if I see no evidence for that effect. I`m not used to this 'mediacircus'also which most of the people here are used to b/c I understand it`s common in the US if a case is importent or has 'good'rates for the channel. So let me suck it in for a while , but I honestly don`t think that I ever going to like this media and people bashing thing. But I am certainly glad that I`ve found this blog b/c it`s a new way of state your opinions for what i`ve  seen I kinda like that fact.

And don`t get me wrong my heart is to see see natalee found safe and if the ones who are in jail are guilty, they must pay, but if they don`t are guilty , or only by stupidity thru lying then the court , the media and the folks here that thinks or feel they did it b/c 'they feel it' must let go and accept that fact, I hope and think!

I agree with you yet again HannieC.     You said it better than I ever could.

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