RBN #28 6/26/05 Sunday Evening

[KoG]

Hannie!

Welcome to the our world - not very pretty is it? hyperbole and rants take the place of reasoned thought all too easily - and asking questions when the party line has been decided is not well received.

I think the heat is particularly high today because the judge released S. Croes and PVDS - and there are a lot of people who were convinced that they were the devil incarnate - or at least drug lord white slavers. Their release threatens the "we know precisely what happened" view and makes people who are holding on to that certainty distressed.

Much of what you say is true, but, what is still not known is:

PVDS & Croes release = apparent non-guilt  --OR--
PVDS & Croes release = failures by Aruban LE to collect enough evidence on those that have true implication in Nat's disappearance

[Ting]

Could someone who is on the ground in Aruba please direct Geraldo to a reputable wigmaker?

[HannieC]

writenow wrote:
HannieC wrote:

writenow sorry i disagree on that. I don`t like it if you are bashing Katya for having another opinion then yours, If that is so then you can bash me too, b/c we al have our own opinion and I`m also not a friend of Joran or the kalpoes but some of us have maybe a much more open mind then others so why does that make it legit to bash people of who we only know that he lied once( we don`t even now how much) and b/c he lied must hang b/c he did it? I have said this before, If someone is lying that doesn`t make him/her a murderer! Whe are not in those boys shoes and we don`t have ALL facts so why is bashing and slender thru the mud of all the families is makes it ok? If there are FACTS and EVIDENCE then I think slender as much as you wish. But everybody is entitled to state there opinion I hope, I do......
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Hannie,
You have Natalee's frantic parents coming to Joran's house less than 24 hours after their daughter is missing. And what do Joran and Deepak do? They DELIBERATELY lie and TAKE THEM BACK TO THE HOLIDAY INN lying all the way and DELIBERATELY FALSIFY where they say they left her.
These were CRUCIAL hours when the TRUTH needed to come out for a young girl's safety. Yet they kept lying and lying and lying.

I know what you mean writenow, but on the otherhand, if I hear JUG the come with that whole bunch of friends in the middle of the night! I saw jug and his statements by the way, so I can surely understand why people are react this way if they are sound asleep an suddenly in the middle of the night there are a bunch of people at your door commending and seems threatning you think; What the f###! Sure I understand it I would do the same if my daughter was missing you`re absolutly right maybe i would do something other than that also( hey I`m dutch) But I sure can understand what the reaction of people can be for that affect, And don`t forget JUG says on tv that Joran said to his dad"I want to help dad"!

[GreatOwl]

Some of the theories posted are a little more far-fetched than others.  It seems that people think they are all equally valid since there is little supporting hard evidence for any of them.




If an elderly person is missing - presume they have Alzeimer's and wandered off

 
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No need to get personal there, ya young whipper snapper!!!!!  

[Getagrip]

he was accustomed to being treated in a preferential manner, being above the law so to speak.  Joren could do pretty much anything he pleased on the island.

That poses an interesting question. Is Joran widely believed to be the only 17 year old on the island who frequents casinos and drinks alcoholic beverages?

No but I'll bet he is the only one who is 6' 3" or more.

Do you think he received preferential treatment because he is tall?

No I think got in cause he is tall the same way he did at 17 and 0 months and maybe even 16.

Sorry for replying to an relatively 'old' post, but I don't think I'll get through reading the rest. Joran is most likely not the only 6'5" teenager on the island. Dutch people are the tallest on average in the world. If I'm wrong, go ahead and correct me - I was informed of this by Dutch friends.

As a matter of fact, even the mixed people in Aruba are taller than average, if you have noticed from the TV appearances.

The reason I'm saying I may don't think I'll make it through the rest is that I can't believe what's happening on this message board. Dash may not be the only person who is run off the board.  It's like people are dividing into camps of I win/you lose, I'm right/you're wrong. People, put things in perspective here. I like absolut's simple theory - it brings us back to the original reason we're here: Natalee Holloway is missing and quite possibly dead.

I'm going to keep reading Tom and Red's blog reports, but it gets tiring and draining to see people bashing and attacking each other, seemingly for ego or self-aggrandizing purposes.

Happy monkey'ing everyone. Take it easy on the moderators - it's a thankless job and they are doing a fabulous job of giving each and everyone of you the opportunity to voice your opinions.

[RB]

Just check out what the dectectives are saying

what detectives?  the ones from the States?

[arubagirl]

Coco, they're not using NH blatantly yet, more criticizing the current government for statements that they made to the press.

But not like: "An American girl disappeard, throw this government out."

I'd be appalled if they used her for political purposes, but I wouldn't put it pass them

Not much is being said about American citizens in general, but a LOT about American press.

That reservation will only be made if there is a room for me too

[Anna]

2) Statements to BT like "what do you want with your daughter? She is no use to you now"
Never heard the last part of that statement - is it true?

It's a result of the 'story passed around the circle' syndrome.  BT said that Joran said.."What do you want me to do?  what do you want me to do?"

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He said it while pounding on his chest, not exactly normal behavior for a 17 year old addressing an adult.

oh yes it is, especially of todays kids

Speak for yourself.  Mine certainly do NOT behave in this manner, especially to an adult female.  For one thing, they know they could never get away with it but that was never a problem for Joren, apparently.  I have one 6'3" and he would show respect for the girl's mother or wish that he had.  And wish it deeply.

[wantsanswers]

Just check out what the dectectives are saying

what detectives?  the ones from the States?

it was in the aruba paper on on this board a while back.. I am  not going back to look

[RB]

The reason I'm saying I may don't think I'll make it through the rest is that I can't believe what's happening on this message board. Dash may not be the only person who is run off the board. It's like people are dividing into camps of I win/you lose, I'm right/you're wrong. People, put things in perspective here. I like absolut's simple theory - it brings us back to the original reason we're here: Natalee Holloway is missing and quite possibly dead.

I'm going to keep reading Tom and Red's blog reports, but it gets tiring and draining to see people bashing and attacking each other, seemingly for ego or self-aggrandizing purposes.

It does get tiring and draining, however most folks here, whether on one side or the other, do mean well and do want this case to be solved.  I think if there's little more focus on agreeing to disagree, things would be far better.

[Catriana]

thank you! .

[AZLady]

When I read the news report that Paulus was released and had waived his right to not testify against his son, I was at first pleased because I concluded this meant that progress was made in the case.  My question concerns Aruban law.  Does Aruban law allow for bargaining (for lack of a the correct or better word)?   I only am familiar with American law, so I inferred from the announcement of his release that Paulus had struck a "deal" with the prosecutor to wave his right to not testify in exchange for his release.  Is this incorrect?  In my opinion, this would be a step in the right direction for Law Enforcement.  This testimony, which must be truthful and supported by the facts and forensic evidence, could likely be significant in the case.

[Lausa]

Could someone who is on the ground in Aruba please direct Geraldo to a reputable wigmaker?

heeeeeeeee, chortle

[Ting]

Dutch people are the tallest on average in the world. If I'm wrong, go ahead and correct me - I was informed of this by Dutch friends.

Batten down the avatars!

You are in for it for sure now, and God help you if there are any Masai lurking around.

[arrabba]

Some of the theories posted are a little more far-fetched than others.  It seems that people think they are all equally valid since there is little supporting hard evidence for any of them.




If an elderly person is missing - presume they have Alzeimer's and wandered off

 
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No need to get personal there, ya young whipper snapper!!!!!  

My apologies   (written big in case your eyesight is going)

 

[Anna]

I have not heard BT say this, but my wife contends that she did in an interview about 3 weeks ago. Perhaps it was taken out of context, but if true, it's probably one of the reasons why BT believes jvds is guilty of something. Perhaps I can look thru the videos on-line.

icey

2) Statements to BT like "what do you want with your daughter? She is no use to you now"
Never heard the last part of that statement - is it true?

It's a result of the 'story passed around the circle' syndrome.  BT said that Joran said.."What do you want me to do?  what do you want me to do?"

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He said it while pounding on his chest, not exactly normal behavior for a 17 year old addressing an adult.

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BHT has said it several times and Jug was standing right there and yet is supposed to just tolerate this.  Seems in keeping with the rests of his lifestyle and the different parenting techniques.  But if I allowed my son to behave like this to adults, I would also not wonder why he required anger management classes and kicked his brothers, etc.  Doing so in front of his parents unrestricted.  Oh, no, just your typical 17 year old, no special treatment going on with Joren.

[K in TX]

OK, hate to do this, but...can someone give me a brief synopsis on the latest news?  

I heard earlier that PVDS waived his right NOT to testify against JVS, and that Croes will be let go tomorrow.  Anything else new?

THANK YOU!  I really would try to go back and read, but man...two small children...dinner...bath...bed time...you get the drill.  NO TIME!

K

[coco]

ArubaGirl - that's good to hear (about not using the case as of now)

I imagine the US press are a pretty weird experience! I know that folks here in the states comment about how awful it is to have them camped out on a big case.

Are the hotels like the HI and Marriot booked mostly with press these days do you think?

[goon squad]

<<I know what you mean writenow, but on the otherhand, if I hear JUG come with that whole bunch of friends in the middle of the night!>>

Do you think that if Jug and his friends hadn't stopped by in the middle of the night, then Joran and the Kalpoes would have told the truth?

[wvlady]

Dash-
If you're still reading comments, I'm truly sorry that some people have run you off...