RBN #28 6/26/05 Sunday Evening

[friend of monkeys]

What facts do we have that would invalidate this theory?

1. Natalee and 3 guys leave CnC and head to one of those underground parties.
2. "Something bad happened" - there was a nutcase at the party and he took Natalee off from the 3 guys.
3. The 3 guys get pushed out of the party.   Now what do they do???  Yikes.  They lie.

 my thoughts too

[Anna]

about the pictures, the one of joran pretending to strangle (ugh) someone and  the one with the cash.   that looks like school play stuff to me.  BTW on the night in question he was playing in a texas holdem contest, won 4th place.

Actuall I read it to be very plausible an reenactment of the pictures at that time of Abu Garib, prisoner treatment of the insurgent/combatants.

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Ah, that's it.  Bet your're right, the little chap is just making a political statement.  And pushing the kid through the plate glass, was that yet another interpretation of some current event as well?  

[KerinTX]

Hey Arubagirl,
Looked for you today...hoping for the Monkey "Shout Out"! Thanks for all your hard work on the photos though!!

[coco]

Ting - I think only Deepak was at Joran's house when they talked to the Twitty's.

I'm a bit confused by the accounts since BTH said Joran was rude but Jug said Joran wanted to talk but Paulus and Deepak were telling him not to. I believe Jug said in a Fox interview that Joran said "I want to help" and also that he wanted to help search.

That led me to take the comment to BTH about "what do you want me to do" as a bit of desperation - since by I think Jug's account Joran went over to the car where Beth was sitting after the exchange about "don't talk" - and that he was saying sorta - I wanna help but my dad and best friend are telling me to be quiet, what do you want me to do? I can easily see how that would sound to Beth given her terror  but I also think that so much of what we hear "said" in this case depends on very different states of mind amongst the parties when they heard the things said.

[arubagirl]

Dudley, an ugly hotel. Idiot politicians

[Ting]

in American law if a witness is caught lying about one thing, the entire testimony may be considered susepct and juries may take that into consideration and reject it.

So by that reasoning, any and all stories they tell you could reject as lies.

But you cannot know whether any of them are true. You may have an opinion, in fact that is what this discussion is about

Maybe you believe that story B is true, and someone else just has a hunch about story C, but neither of you can know for sure!

[KackyLacky]

So did Deepak and Satish voluntarily go to where they knew Natlaee's family would be?

Or did they just happen to be there when the family arrived and freely acknowledge that Natalee had been in their car?

The Twitty's came to joran's home, he was not there, dad said he was at casino, they drive to casino--joran not there, Twitty's go back to VdS's house, joran and deepak leaning against deepaks car. When asked if they had seen Natalee they began the first lie of dropping her off at HI. I suspect dad called joran and told him Americans were looking for him, so joran and deepak had time to get themselves together before Twitty's got back. If the boys had not done something wrong, why did they come up with a story at ALL, even before the Twitty's came to the island. This is one of my biggest problems with this case right now.

[writenow]

I hate to admit it but , lots of teeners have bad manners in my opinion , well that was my vision of them when i lived in Amsterdam in 1998

Teenagers have bad manners when their parents don't teach them to have good manners.

[wwizard]

Dang, ya’ll are fast, I’m a two finger peck typer

[arrabba]

Some of the theories posted are a little more far-fetched than others.  It seems that people think they are all equally valid since there is little supporting hard evidence for any of them.

However - there are probabilities.  

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If anyone missing, last person to see them alive is the top suspect.  

That is why Joran is the most likely person to implicate in this case.  The other theories have less credence.

Many of the first-hand accounts indicate that Natalee was seen leaving C&C in a car with three people.  Do we know with certainty that Natalee was left in the company of one (or two) of the three (as opposed to all three) after leaving C&C?  If not, then Joran is not necessarily the most likely person to implicate.

At this time, Joran, Deepak and Satish all agree that Joran and Natalee were dropped off alone together at the beach near the Marriott.

[HannieC]

wantanwers wrote:

we don't want to be in your little group anyway

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Excuse me if I`m wrong here.............but what group? The people who have there own opinion which you don`t like? Sorry I find this very disturbing you make it very personel now b/c other people have there own opinion......

[Cerulean]

Release of Paulus Van Der Sloot looks political.  Don't feel like holding one of their own in a jail cell?  And if Steve Croes lied to the police, why can't he be charged with that?

[landscaper]

What facts do we have that would invalidate this theory?

1. Natalee and 3 guys leave CnC and head to one of those underground parties.
2. "Something bad happened" - there was a nutcase at the party and he took Natalee off from the 3 guys.
3. The 3 guys get pushed out of the party.   Now what do they do???  Yikes.  They lie.

If they did do to an underground party, how do Joran's attempts to contact Deepak (2:30am call, 3:15 text msg) fit in with that theory?

[DT]

They are about to interview two friends on Fox in just a few minutes.

[Tila_Bean]

Do we know who these two friends are going to be on Fox?  Re-run perhaps?  Sorry I was caught up in the Food Network!

[AZLady]

Now that you've read the articles provided about the Aruban economy, turn your attention to even larger issues, narcotics funded terrorism:
http://www.loc.gov/rr/frd/pdf-files/NarcsFundedTerrs_Extrems.pdf

Yes, this is a bigger problem than first imagined.

[iquitos]

This is because according to the article in De Telegraaf, Joran has been seing a psychiatrist for some time now because he is short-tempered.

http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/default.asp?view=day&blogDate=6/11/2005

Don't you guys think this is even a little interesting?  Seriously, from a mostly lurker, some of your arguments are getting older than dirt (how much money does it take to pley poker in Aruba, who insulted who, why dash left, blah, blah, blah).  

Face it...by now you are just arguing with one other person that will never be pursuaded to your side so give the rest of us a chance.

 

editorial:  somebody said the art of politics is knowing how to talk in a way that convinces people who do not agree with you.  few are good at that.  mostly we are comfortable with the ones who agree with us.  Politicians nowadays concentrate on holding the base and trying to draw the few undecideds and the fringes from the other side.  Rarely do they actually go after the middle of the other side.  Too risky.  That phenomenon is magnified on a board such as this and nobody wants to back down until one side or the other walks away.  personally, i have often felt like walking away from here.  yesterday morning was particularly oppressive and i am sure i contributed to it.  the poker analogy fits perfectly, when to hold and when to fold.  nither point of view has been adept at that.  However, we keep saying people have gone away mad only to see them reappear for a another day of lively debate.  I hope the offended will be back.  the lines are drawn on this one however and i don't think one point of view or the other can expect converts from among the active participants.  They participate because they have strongly held views to express.  Without them there would be no posters.  But maybe we are helping some of the non posters understand the issues better.  

Question:  Does anybody have the whole telegraaf article in Dutch?  I tried the link but it is a whole page and type is too small to read and i don't feel like registering.

[Ting]

Ting - I think only Deepak was at Joran's house when they talked to the Twitty's.

I'm a bit confused by the accounts .

LOL I am a bit confused by them too. What I am trying to get straight on is that neither Deepak nor Satish were "fingered" by anybody, nor seen on cameras with Natalee, so the first knowledge that the family had of Natalee being in their car came from Deepak himself.

I think it has already been established that no one actually saw her in the car with them, there are reports that she was seen in a gray blue Honda but that did not come out until the family had already been in Aruba for a while.

[KackyLacky]

wantanwers wrote:

we don't want to be in your little group anyway

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Excuse me if I`m wrong here.............but what group? The people who have there own opinion which you don`t like? Sorry I find this very disturbing you make it very personel now b/c other people have there own opinion......

Hannie, I think it was a joke or sarcasm, about your post with the compliments to specific posters. I don't think there was anything bad meant. At least that was the way I took it.

[RB]

Do we know who these two friends are going to be on Fox?  Re-run perhaps?  Sorry I was caught up in the Food Network!

The Food Network!  One of my favs, along with the cable news.