RBN #28 6/26/05 Sunday Evening

[katya]

I still find it wild that Steve Croes gets out when he obviously provided false testimony to help prime suspects cover up an apparent crime!
Sounds like a conspiracy to me!  Whats up with that?

I am thinking it may be more that with him being owner of the internet cafe, he wasn't as forthcoming as LE wanted him to be, Mike.

Steve owns the Internet Cafe?

No he does not

[iquitos]

It pisses me off (pardon my french) to hear "Sonny Boy's" mom say he says he will "Kick her butt...."!

Classical symptoms of a narcissistic family. Perfect breeding ground for sociopaths. But my favorite tell tale signs are.

1. Sending a son to yoga and meditation classes, for kicking the shit out of his little brother, and

2. Mommy, if you hadn't gone to Holland, I would never have snuck out of the house.

CLASSICAL SYMPTOMS>

Are you a professional that has diagnosed Joran and family from afar. Damn you are good. What are your hourly rates?

I dont think that was necessary.

Nor was the previous post, but a penny for your thoughts anyway.

As far as I know, I have the same right to speculate as any of the rest of you, and I would invite you to LOOK at the profile of the sociopath and tell me if there is anything there -- ANYTHING -- that doesn't fit with the description of Joran van der Sloot you are getting through the media.

And that has a DIRECT BEARING upon what happened at closing time in Carlos and Charlies, because that explains the cunning with which Natalee was "carved out" and herded into a waiting car.

 

PROFESSOR, who made up the "carved out" thing. As far as I know, nobody saw Natalee get in that car so that is speculation.  Persons with other psych profiles might also do the same thing and some horny guy otherwise "normal" might try the same stunt.  you don't have to be a sociopath.  Why is it so hard for you to accept that natalee may have willingly gone with those guys?

[HannieC]

If Joran is innocent he`s welcome in Holland i`m sure!! Do you really think that if he`s relaeased that al the familiys involvedcan go on with there lives?? Not in our system they don`t In the US the can make bucks and have a movie or film or whatever not in our system! So fact is all the people involved  are ruined thanks to the media and speculations!!

[writenow]

I still find it wild that Steve Croes gets out when he obviously provided false testimony to help prime suspects cover up an apparent crime!
Sounds like a conspiracy to me!  Whats up with that?

I am thinking it may be more that with him being owner of the internet cafe, he wasn't as forthcoming as LE wanted him to be, Mike.

Steve Croes owns the internet cafe? Where did that come from?
He works on the Tattoo.

[klaasend]

I still find it wild that Steve Croes gets out when he obviously provided false testimony to help prime suspects cover up an apparent crime!
Sounds like a conspiracy to me!  Whats up with that?

I am thinking it may be more that with him being owner of the internet cafe, he wasn't as forthcoming as LE wanted him to be, Mike.

Steve owns the Internet Cafe?

No he does not

No...Fox mis-spoke today when they said Deepak was the owner.  He only works there (Deepak).  There was an article about Deepak and they interviewed his boss at the Internet Cafe.  Steve frequents the Internet Cafe and works on the Tattoo.

[katya]

The owner of the internet cafe is Angelina Reppas.

[TTownMike]

Classical symptoms of a narcissistic family. Perfect breeding ground for sociopaths. But my favorite tell tale signs are.

1. Sending a son to yoga and meditation classes, for kicking the shit out of his little brother, and

2. Mommy, if you hadn't gone to Holland, I would never have snuck out of the house.

CLASSICAL SYMPTOMS>

It seems Anita is showing signs of denial and just trying to find some way of dealing with her son. I would like to know if Anita accepted Joran's invitation to accept the responsibilty for his actions. I don't think he would have used it if it hadn't worked before. I'll bet it has been difficult for her dealing with her manipulative, lying son. There has been convincing evidence that some people are born with this disorder and the rest of the family get 'sick' trying to cope with it.

Many (maybe most) mothers would go far to shield their sons.  I'm sure she may or may not believe him.  But, either way she'd say the same. In most cases.  In reality many moms think their kids are angels, when they just don't know the shinanigans their babies may get into.  My mom didn't know when I did things I shouldn't!

[Chaumes]

ok, i know i shouldnt post this here,and I am sorry beforehand to anyone whom i anger for getting off topic..but

...so why do you keep doing it?  You preface many posts in this forum similarly and then follow with

OK..sorry...carry on....

Why not just skip the apologies and... carry on?

[~TAZ_MAN~]

If Joran is let go due to lack of evidence against him, I wonder what that will do for his college career in the US? Seems he was offered plenty scholorships to the college of his choice..

He can forget about ever going to college in the USA.

At the very least not any college in the South.

I'm sure he would get a big welcome here!

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How many college deans do you think would let a suspect in a missing girls murder whose body was never found around a campus full of young pretty girls.  he he

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[Twelve Monkeys]

Steve Croes owns the internet cafe? Where did that come from?
He works on the Tattoo.



You mean like that guy on Fantasy Island? The greeter of the plane? Or do you mean he works in a Tattoo parlor?

[KerinTX]

I still find it wild that Steve Croes gets out when he obviously provided false testimony to help prime suspects cover up an apparent crime!
Sounds like a conspiracy to me!  Whats up with that?

I am thinking it may be more that with him being owner of the internet cafe, he wasn't as forthcoming as LE wanted him to be, Mike.

Steve owns the Internet Cafe?

No he does not

No...Fox mis-spoke today when they said Deepak was the owner.  He only works there (Deepak).  There was an article about Croes and they interviewed his boss at the Internet Cafe.  Steve frequents the Internet Cafe and works on the Tattoo.

sorry
I am looking at this darn fact board and thinking one name and typing another

Slap me someone...I am delirious!!!!!!!

[Britney]

If Joran is let go due to lack of evidence against him, I wonder what that will do for his college career in the US? Seems he was offered plenty scholorships to the college of his choice..

He can forget about ever going to college in the USA.

At the very least not any college in the South.

I'm sure he would get a big welcome here!

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How many college deans do you think would let a suspect in a missing girls murder whose body was never found around a campus full of young pretty girls.  he he

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I was just thinking along the lines of that being considered discrimination towards Joran. I would think all Deans wouldn't allow him to attend, but then again there is the discrimination factor.

[iquitos]

I have been reading alot but I don't know your opinion about a couple of questions.
Has there been a concensus of opinion that you think PVDS already knew that Natalee was missing when Beth and Jug went to his home that first morning?  No

Did PVDS go with the Twittys to the casino or did he stay at home?  yes

If you think PVDS didn't know Natalee was missing do you think he just told the Twittys that Joran was at the casino to stall the Twittys so he would have time to talk to Joran since he knew Joran was actually at home? This would have given him time to ask Joran what all of this was about..  

no  he was with them at the casino and tehn went back with them and joran to the HI and thenback to the house all the while interrupting Joran and reminding him he did not need to speak at all.  The cops were doing the questioning at first.  this was a very threatening situation seen from the persprecive of a lawyer,prosecutor and judge.  he was right but he could not control the sitation and it spiraled ot of hand into a majot pissing contest,  Paul was right but he did not offer an alternative.

[TTownMike]

I have been reading alot but I don't know your opinion about a couple of questions.  
Has there been a concensus of opinion that you think PVDS already knew that Natalee was missing when Beth and Jug went to his home that first morning?

Did PVDS go with the Twittys to the casino or did he stay at home?
 
 If you think PVDS didn't know Natalee was missing do you think he just told the Twittys that Joran was at the casino to stall the Twittys so he would have time to talk to Joran since he knew Joran was actually at home?  This would have given him time to ask Joran what all of this was about..

You very posibly jes answered your own question!

[~TAZ_MAN~]

Britney:

Any college in the USA who lets Joran in as a student is going to have every single parent pull their daughter out of that school.  No college here will risk mass exit of students for a guy suspected of murder.

[KerinTX]

I have been reading alot but I don't know your opinion about a couple of questions.  
Has there been a concensus of opinion that you think PVDS already knew that Natalee was missing when Beth and Jug went to his home that first morning?

Did PVDS go with the Twittys to the casino or did he stay at home?
 
 If you think PVDS didn't know Natalee was missing do you think he just told the Twittys that Joran was at the casino to stall the Twittys so he would have time to talk to Joran since he knew Joran was actually at home?  This would have given him time to ask Joran what all of this was about..

You very posibly jes answered your own question!

:::DING DING DING:::: Go Belle!!!

[Britney]

Britney:

Any college in the USA who lets Joran in as a student is going to have every single parent pull their daughter out of that school.  No college here will risk mass exit of students for a guy suspected of murder.

Let's all hope so!!

[Professor]

Iquitos asked: PROFESSOR, who made up the "carved out" thing. As far as I know, nobody saw Natalee get in that car so that is speculation. Persons with other psych profiles might also do the same thing and some horny guy otherwise "normal" might try the same stunt. you don't have to be a sociopath. Why is it so hard for you to accept that natalee may have willingly gone with those guys?

On the Dark Side had a description of a practice called "carving out." You slip a girl a roofie, right at closing time, and then when the crowd is leaving, you surround her with men, separate her from her group, and "herd" her into a waiting car. At that point, you can tell her it's a taxi, or you can tell her it's a flying saucer taking her to Mars, because she's under the influence of the drug. She's already in a dream-like state. And, to her friends, she only looks "tipsy."

What I found so disturbing about that description is that there was actually a NAME for it. Carving out. It gave me chills.

[writenow]

If Joran is let go due to lack of evidence against him, I wonder what that will do for his college career in the US? Seems he was offered plenty scholorships to the college of his choice..

He can forget about ever going to college in the USA.

At the very least not any college in the South.

I'm sure the Netherlands won't have any problem allowing him to attend their universities. He'll be free to prey on unsuspecting girls again, but I think it's more acceptable there.

But now Daddy may be looking for a new line of work. Of course, if the Hak. website is to be believed, the justice department in Holland wasn't thrilled with his work and was looking for a reason to get rid of him. He may have to go back to teaching. Nothing like working for years to have a career go down the drain.

But if they move back to Holland I feel sorry for Valentijn and his little American girlfriend Natalie. That'll be the end of their cute little love story. It's really kinda sad.

There's something kinda weird. Reports out of Holland say Papa v.d.Sloot    has been in Aruba 17 years, but the mother and kids have been there 10 years (what both Val. & Joran's websites said). For 7 years Paul was living alone on the island? Does Lorenzo factor in anywhere here?

[SoccerDad]

If Joran is innocent he`s welcome in Holland i`m sure!! Do you really think that if he`s relaeased that al the familiys involvedcan go on with there lives?? Not in our system they don`t In the US the can make bucks and have a movie or film or whatever not in our system! So fact is all the people involved  are ruined thanks to the media and speculations!!

I feel very sad for the innocent people in those families whose lives are in torment right now, especially those poor mothers. Their hearts are breaking.

As far as your opinion that "....all the people involved  are ruined thanks to the media and speculations"...I vehemently disagree. Some of the people involved most likely have only themselves to blame for their "ruined" futures. Not the American meida and speculations. Sorry.