RBN #28 6/26/05 Sunday Evening

[dl3fan]

My PM's are getting hung in my outbox for some reason, GRRR!!

[Kkial]

I have been reading alot but I don't know your opinion about a couple of questions.
Has there been a concensus of opinion that you think PVDS already knew that Natalee was missing when Beth and Jug went to his home that first morning?  No

Did PVDS go with the Twittys to the casino or did he stay at home?  yes

If you think PVDS didn't know Natalee was missing do you think he just told the Twittys that Joran was at the casino to stall the Twittys so he would have time to talk to Joran since he knew Joran was actually at home? This would have given him time to ask Joran what all of this was about..  Yes

no  he was with them at the casino and tehn went back with them and joran to the HI and thenback to the house all the while interrupting Joran and reminding him he did not need to speak at all.  The cops were doing the questioning at first.  this was a very threatening situation seen from the persprecive of a lawyer,prosecutor and judge.  he was right but he could not control the sitation and it spiraled ot of hand into a majot pissing contest,  Paul was right but he did not offer an alternative.

theyall went back to the house and then back to the Hi after PVDS got a call for Joran telling him he was at home//  another one too,,,it was PVDS told Deepak that he did not have to talk,,,NOT Deepak telling Joran he did not have to talk,,,for what this is worth

[writenow]

I was just thinking along the lines of that being considered discrimination towards Joran. I would think all Deans wouldn't allow him to attend, but then again there is the discrimination factor.

You mean like a minority gambler or something?

[~TAZ_MAN~]

If Joran is innocent he`s welcome in Holland i`m sure!! Do you really think that if he`s relaeased that al the familiys involvedcan go on with there lives?? Not in our system they don`t In the US the can make bucks and have a movie or film or whatever not in our system! So fact is all the people involved  are ruined thanks to the media and speculations!!

I feel very sad for the innocent people in those families whose lives are in torment right now, especially those poor mothers. Their hearts are breaking.

As far as your opinion that "....all the people involved  are ruined thanks to the media and speculations"...I vehemently disagree. Some of the people involved most likely have only themselves to blame for their "ruined" futures. Not the American meida and speculations. Sorry.

Great comment, had they not lied in the first place if they are innocent there would be no reason to arrest them in the first place.

[Twelve Monkeys]

Like Mark Furman said tonight. The simple fact that the boys made up the story about dropping her off at the Holiday Inn.

Why did they have to make that story up?

Why is it so hard to get the truth (from him or them) once this lie has been exposed?

This island is very scary to me if they can't figure this thing out.

[katya]

I'm sure the Netherlands won't have any problem allowing him to attend their universities. He'll be free to prey on unsuspecting girls again, but I think it's more acceptable there.

That is a ridiculous and insulting statement

[~TAZ_MAN~]

Like Mark Furman said tonight. The simple fact that the boys made up the story about dropping her off at the Holiday Inn.

Why did they have to make that story up?

Why is it so hard to get the truth (from him or them) once this lie has been exposed?

This island is very scary to me if they can't figure this thing out.

They have figured it out, they just need Equisearch to find the body.

[Britney]

You mean like a minority gambler or something?

Umm no...I mean like an Arubian trying to attend a US college, that has no criminal record. Only a suspect. Big differenc between the two,.

[TTownMike]

If Joran is innocent he`s welcome in Holland i`m sure!! Do you really think that if he`s relaeased that al the familiys involvedcan go on with there lives?? Not in our system they don`t In the US the can make bucks and have a movie or film or whatever not in our system! So fact is all the people involved  are ruined thanks to the media and speculations!!

Not arguing with you but after all it is the media that keeps the gvmnt honest in many cases!  Here we call it "freedom of the press"!  Do you have that in Holland?

[iquitos]

I have been reading alot but I don't know your opinion about a couple of questions.
Has there been a concensus of opinion that you think PVDS already knew that Natalee was missing when Beth and Jug went to his home that first morning?  No

Did PVDS go with the Twittys to the casino or did he stay at home?  yes

If you think PVDS didn't know Natalee was missing do you think he just told the Twittys that Joran was at the casino to stall the Twittys so he would have time to talk to Joran since he knew Joran was actually at home? This would have given him time to ask Joran what all of this was about..  Yes

no  he was with them at the casino and tehn went back with them and joran to the HI and thenback to the house all the while interrupting Joran and reminding him he did not need to speak at all.  The cops were doing the questioning at first.  this was a very threatening situation seen from the persprecive of a lawyer,prosecutor and judge.  he was right but he could not control the sitation and it spiraled ot of hand into a majot pissing contest,  Paul was right but he did not offer an alternative.

theyall went back to the house and then back to the Hi after PVDS got a call for Joran telling him he was at home//  another one too,,,it was PVDS told Deepak that he did not have to talk,,,NOT Deepak telling Joran he did not have to talk,,,for what this is worth

 

somebody in the family,  "jug",  i think, described both paul and deepak telling joran he did not have to say anything while he blabbed on.  to me that was sociopathic behaviour thinking he can talk (lie) his way out.  so why did he not use his charm on Beth too?

[Belle]

I have been reading alot but I don't know your opinion about a couple of questions.  
Has there been a concensus of opinion that you think PVDS already knew that Natalee was missing when Beth and Jug went to his home that first morning?

Did PVDS go with the Twittys to the casino or did he stay at home?
 
 If you think PVDS didn't know Natalee was missing do you think he just told the Twittys that Joran was at the casino to stall the Twittys so he would have time to talk to Joran since he knew Joran was actually at home?  This would have given him time to ask Joran what all of this was about..

You very posibly jes answered your own question!

I wanted to know if the people  here on this forum had agreed on any of this.
Also I thought the Twittys questioned the father/son first then the officers took over when it got rough.

[Itawamba]

While ruminating on the mystery of why Paulus can't recall waking Joran for school on Monday morning, I flashed on a fragment of something from another crime.

The unsolved case of missing Kristen Smart in San Luis Obispo, CA, has been long thought to have been perpetrated by a fellow college student she met at a party the last night she was seen alive.

It took a while to ID this fellow, Paul Flores, I think his name is (might be wrong on that), but when they did, they took dogs to his dorm room and a cadaver dog alerted on the underside of the mattress of his bed.  Many years later, they still don't have evidence enough to go after him.  

Wasn't there also a guy who killed a little boy selling candy door-to-door and hid the boy's body in his mattress and not even his mother knew?

So, I'm thinking it's possible the three are still lying as far as the Marriott Beach drop-off.  Or, alternatively, possibly they were on the beach there and Joran wanted to take Nat to his "apartment" - alive and/or drugged.  Couldn't he have called a taxi to take them there--and he smuggled her in without Daddy knowing?  Maybe one of the 3AM ATM withdrawals related to this.

Then "something bad happened" there--or who knows, maybe even Joran tied her up and gagged her or something.  Not knowing Daddy's habits as far as actually coming out to the garage and coming into Joran's space, I wonder if that was even a possibility.

Say it was, and he managed to keep Natalee there, alive, drugged or dead, and went about his business, going to school "as normal" (of course, if one is guilty of *something bad*, it's more imperative than ever to "act normal," which includes going to school) and leaving her there during some daytime hours.

(We don't really know whether Joran's a bit of a kinky dude or not.)  Mom wouldn't be home until Wednesday, Daddy would be at work--Joran may then have hurried home and done whatever he needed to do to entertain his captive-- or worse.

From that point forward, the rest of Monday afternoon and evening, he would've been free to take care of any loose ends that needed taking care of, relatively unseen--except perhaps for another partner in crime that has not yet been revealed.  (You know, like monkey-loving neighbors who took a hike about that time.)

This could even play into the "kidnapping" theory, if there is a crime syndicate type person known to Joran who would "take care" of the rest of the enterprise, promising him some money (or he and Daddy some money) as their share of any ransom that might be paid.

I still think it's possible that Joran, if he were of a mind to, could've ascertained Natalee's family info (i.e, last name Twitty of step father) earlier in the day or week, depending on the story we believe.  Even if it was as late as 9:30PM that Sunday night, my thinking is that Deepak is the computer whiz and Internet pro--perhaps he knows a little something about hacking and ID theft, things like that, without ever needing to *use* those skills.  

By midnight at Carlos & Charlie's, they and their higher-up criminal-type (casino dweller, whatever) will have run a Dun & Bradstreet on Nat's family and would have *a plan*.

Just rambling, but mostly thinking of the possibility that Natalee was in Joran's room for a time -- and for a time period longer than we might've contemplated.

[HannieC]

writenow wrote:

I'm sure the Netherlands won't have any problem allowing him to attend their universities. He'll be free to prey on unsuspecting girls again, but I think it's more acceptable there.

But now Daddy may be looking for a new line of work. Of course, if the Hak. website is to be believed, the justice department in Holland wasn't thrilled with his work and was looking for a reason to get rid of him. He may have to go back to teaching. Nothing like working for years to have a career go down the drain.

But if they move back to Holland I feel sorry for Valentijn and his little American girlfriend Natalie. That'll be the end of their cute little love story. It's really kinda sad.

There's something kinda weird. Reports out of Holland say Papa v.d.Sloot has been in Aruba 17 years, but the mother and kids have been there 10 years (what both Val. & Joran's websites said). For 7 years Paul was living alone on the island? Does Lorenzo factor in anywhere here?

And you know why writenow? Because we don`t judge people by there outfit or what we think we know what they must be!! We are by a long shot not so judgemental...We believe in evidence hard evidence and we don`t try to ruin peoples lives with speculations... I`m sorry but maybe that`s why so much american people come to visit us and like our attitide and that of the antillens and aruba... thought about that?  

[iquitos]

Like Mark Furman said tonight. The simple fact that the boys made up the story about dropping her off at the Holiday Inn.

Why did they have to make that story up?

Why is it so hard to get the truth (from him or them) once this lie has been exposed?

This island is very scary to me if they can't figure this thing out.

figuring out and convicting are two different things as mark furhman well knows from his own botched investigation of the OJ Simpson case

[Belle]

Ok.  I get it I just saw/heard the Ding! Ding!

[~TAZ_MAN~]

I have been reading alot but I don't know your opinion about a couple of questions.
Has there been a concensus of opinion that you think PVDS already knew that Natalee was missing when Beth and Jug went to his home that first morning?  No

Did PVDS go with the Twittys to the casino or did he stay at home?  yes

If you think PVDS didn't know Natalee was missing do you think he just told the Twittys that Joran was at the casino to stall the Twittys so he would have time to talk to Joran since he knew Joran was actually at home? This would have given him time to ask Joran what all of this was about..  Yes

no  he was with them at the casino and tehn went back with them and joran to the HI and thenback to the house all the while interrupting Joran and reminding him he did not need to speak at all.  The cops were doing the questioning at first.  this was a very threatening situation seen from the persprecive of a lawyer,prosecutor and judge.  he was right but he could not control the sitation and it spiraled ot of hand into a majot pissing contest,  Paul was right but he did not offer an alternative.

theyall went back to the house and then back to the Hi after PVDS got a call for Joran telling him he was at home//  another one too,,,it was PVDS told Deepak that he did not have to talk,,,NOT Deepak telling Joran he did not have to talk,,,for what this is worth

 

somebody in the family,  "jug",  i think, described both paul and deepak telling joran he did not have to say anything while he blabbed on.  to me that was sociopathic behaviour thinking he can talk (lie) his way out.  so why did he not use his charm on Beth too?

Jorans mom said that he kept wanting to tell Beths parents something but his dad kept saying "you say nothing you say nothing!"

I think Joran thinks he can lie his way out of this.

[Chaumes]

Like Mark Furman said tonight. The simple fact that the boys made up the story about dropping her off at the Holiday Inn.

Why did they have to make that story up?

Why is it so hard to get the truth (from him or them) once this lie has been exposed?

This island is very scary to me if they can't figure this thing out.

They have figured it out, they just need Equisearch to find the body.

You're both right.

[Kkial]

I have been reading alot but I don't know your opinion about a couple of questions.
Has there been a concensus of opinion that you think PVDS already knew that Natalee was missing when Beth and Jug went to his home that first morning?  No

Did PVDS go with the Twittys to the casino or did he stay at home?  yes

If you think PVDS didn't know Natalee was missing do you think he just told the Twittys that Joran was at the casino to stall the Twittys so he would have time to talk to Joran since he knew Joran was actually at home? This would have given him time to ask Joran what all of this was about..  Yes

no  he was with them at the casino and tehn went back with them and joran to the HI and thenback to the house all the while interrupting Joran and reminding him he did not need to speak at all.  The cops were doing the questioning at first.  this was a very threatening situation seen from the persprecive of a lawyer,prosecutor and judge.  he was right but he could not control the sitation and it spiraled ot of hand into a majot pissing contest,  Paul was right but he did not offer an alternative.

theyall went back to the house and then back to the Hi after PVDS got a call for Joran telling him he was at home//  another one too,,,it was PVDS told Deepak that he did not have to talk,,,NOT Deepak telling Joran he did not have to talk,,,for what this is worth

 

somebody in the family,  "jug",  i think, described both paul and deepak telling joran he did not have to say anything while he blabbed on.  to me that was sociopathic behaviour thinking he can talk (lie) his way out.  so why did he not use his charm on Beth too?

I think you missed the southern language,,,,He did say that Papa told Deepak,,,I think it was the way he said it that gave the impression the Deepak said it....I did have the conversation, but lost it..

[HannieC]

Yes TTown we have absolutly freedom of the press in Holland, but on another level then the US, that`s maybe I can`t find enough news about this and had to search thru the internet b/c i was really interested in natalee and whith my search I came first by Dan and then here...

[TTownMike]

If Joran is let go due to lack of evidence against him, I wonder what that will do for his college career in the US? Seems he was offered plenty scholorships to the college of his choice..

He can forget about ever going to college in the USA.

At the very least not any college in the South.

I'm sure the Netherlands won't have any problem allowing him to attend their universities. He'll be free to prey on unsuspecting girls again, but I think it's more acceptable there.

But now Daddy may be looking for a new line of work. Of course, if the Hak. website is to be believed, the justice department in Holland wasn't thrilled with his work and was looking for a reason to get rid of him. He may have to go back to teaching. Nothing like working for years to have a career go down the drain.

But if they move back to Holland I feel sorry for Valentijn and his little American girlfriend Natalie. That'll be the end of their cute little love story. It's really kinda sad.

There's something kinda weird. Reports out of Holland say Papa v.d.Sloot    has been in Aruba 17 years, but the mother and kids have been there 10 years (what both Val. & Joran's websites said). For 7 years Paul was living alone on the island? Does Lorenzo factor in anywhere here?

Well, papa flunked the test already anyway so he shudda had a back up plan, doncha thank?