RBN #28 6/26/05 Sunday Evening

[igsigs]

The Kalpoes' mom said she woke up and saw that the boys' doors were closed to their rooms, so she knew they were home.  Don't know why it keeps going around that the doors were locked.

That doesnt convince me that both of them were home. Im not saying shes lying I just think these kids are good at blowing smoke up their parents.

Mama Kalpoe sure does seem like a nice lady but, i am at the point now where i dont believe anything these families say. And her story both helps her sons with the current timeline while at the same time gives them plenty of wiggle room for a change if needed. she is basically saying she doesnt know...as oppossed to a PVDS classic "i dont remember".

[Tiptoes]

He only kills people when mom goes on vacation.

Why isn't that in the travel brochure?

Make a note to contact the Aruba Travel Authority about modifying the brochure.  We have some pics around here, don't we...

LMAO!

[~TAZ_MAN~]

Where did the information appear that Joran said if his mom had been home he wouldn't have sneaked out

That was the interview by Greta and jorans mom.  Jorans mom said

"I asked my son why he was out so late and she said that joran said "mom if you would have been home I never would have even thought about sneaking out"

she was trying to portray her son as a good boy but all she did was solidify what a jerk he was

It cracked me up that Anita said that, because the day before that interview, I had posted that *I bet* Joran wouldn't have acted the way he did towards Beth Twitty on Tuesday morning (3AM or whatever) during the confrontation if his mother had been home!  GTMA

He only kills people when mom goes on vacation.

Seriously, I think his mother is a significant filter for him as to what is right or wrong.  He doesn't seem to innately know or be able to judge for himself.

He knows the difference hes just good at disguising his motives, telling people what they want to hear (especially his mom) and using good or bad at getting what he wants.

[AZLady]

It's rather like the Caribbean state of mind regarding the rampant drug trafficking.  Drugs are trafficked from Columbia & Argentina to the US, through the Caribbean, and the Carribean islanders shrug their shoulders and say "what to you expect me to do about it?"  Interesting attitude--does that sum up the cultural differences?

[~TAZ_MAN~]

Mama Kalpoe sure does seem like a nice lady but, i am at the point now where i dont believe anything these families say. And her story both helps her sons with the current timeline while at the same time gives them plenty of wiggle room for a change if needed. she is basically saying she doesnt know...as oppossed to a PVDS classic "i dont remember".

I agree, I dont believe any of the parents I just was trying to put it nicely so that people wouldnt think I was heartless towards them.  Im looking for other witnesses that saw them home or phone or computer trails that show them where they said they were.

[AzRose]

The Kalpoes' mom said she woke up and saw that the boys' doors were closed to their rooms, so she knew they were home.  Don't know why it keeps going around that the doors were locked.

That doesnt convince me that both of them were home. Im not saying shes lying I just think these kids are good at blowing smoke up their parents.

Mama Kalpoe sure does seem like a nice lady but, i am at the point now where i dont believe anything these families say. And her story both helps her sons with the current timeline while at the same time gives them plenty of wiggle room for a change if needed. she is basically saying she doesnt know...as oppossed to a PVDS classic "i dont remember".

I agree.  The Kalpoe's mother does seem like a nice lady and can only rely on what is being told to her by the boys.   She already knows that she was lied to once by them and is obviously distraught that her family has been caught up in this situation.

[jane]

Mama Kalpoe sure does seem like a nice lady but, i am at the point now where i dont believe anything these families say. And her story both helps her sons with the current timeline while at the same time gives them plenty of wiggle room for a change if needed. she is basically saying she doesnt know...as oppossed to a PVDS classic "i dont remember".

That was my impression, too. I couldn't find her comments about the boys' doors, though.

[Dallas Also]

Does anyone know what causes pm's to hang in your Outbox?  I have pm's hanging in my outbox for nearly 30 minutes and they won't send.

Well, this might not be it, but: you have to type something (anything, even an "x") in the Subject line and then click the Submit button.

[Tiptoes]

Mama Kalpoe sure does seem like a nice lady but, i am at the point now where i dont believe anything these families say. And her story both helps her sons with the current timeline while at the same time gives them plenty of wiggle room for a change if needed. she is basically saying she doesnt know...as oppossed to a PVDS classic "i dont remember".

I agree, I dont believe any of the parents I just was trying to put it nicely so that people wouldnt think I was heartless towards them.  Im looking for other witnesses that saw them home or phone or computer trails that show them where they said they were.

Unfortunately, they are going to lie until some hard evidence is introduced.  I think at this point the boys are at such odds, they should put them in a room together with some phone records and watch the sparks fly.  Produce some evidence to the weakest link.  They've already lied.

[AZLady]

I have enormous admiration for the Holloways and Twitty's in how they've conducted themselves under these difficult conditions.   I'm afraid I would have revealed every piece of dirt I uncovered at the top of my lungs--and believe me, there is lots of dirt under the rocks in Aruba.

[bobntexas]

I have enormous admiration for the Holloways and Twitty's in how they've conducted themselves under these difficult conditions.   I'm afraid I would have revealed every piece of dirt I uncovered at the top of my lungs--and believe me, there is lots of dirt under the rocks in Aruba.

Yes, I think we all can learn from them about grace under pressure.

[~TAZ_MAN~]

Unfortunately, they are going to lie until some hard evidence is introduced.  I think at this point the boys are at such odds, they should put them in a room together with some phone records and watch the sparks fly.  Produce some evidence to the weakest link.  They've already lied.

did you hear when they brought all 3 together in a room. Joran said, I called Deepak to come pick me up and deepak said "why are you lying" and then Joran said ok I called Satish.

[AzRose]

Goodnight everyone.  Time for these old bones to get some zzzz's.

[~TAZ_MAN~]

I have enormous admiration for the Holloways and Twitty's in how they've conducted themselves under these difficult conditions.   I'm afraid I would have revealed every piece of dirt I uncovered at the top of my lungs--and believe me, there is lots of dirt under the rocks in Aruba.

Alot of people seem to not be able to think what they would be doing if it were their daughter missing in Aruba and the last 3 that saw her lied to them on day 1.

[Tiptoes]

Unfortunately, they are going to lie until some hard evidence is introduced.  I think at this point the boys are at such odds, they should put them in a room together with some phone records and watch the sparks fly.  Produce some evidence to the weakest link.  They've already lied.

did you hear when they brought all 3 together in a room. Joran said, I called Deepak to come pick me up and deepak said "why are you lying" and then Joran said ok I called Satish.

Really?  What was Satish's response to that?

[AZLady]

Unfortunately, they are going to lie until some hard evidence is introduced.  I think at this point the boys are at such odds, they should put them in a room together with some phone records and watch the sparks fly.  Produce some evidence to the weakest link.  They've already lied.

did you hear when they brought all 3 together in a room. Joran said, I called Deepak to come pick me up and deepak said "why are you lying" and then Joran said ok I called Satish.

Yes, it's as if the events are fluid, and we can say it was this way, or we can say it was that way...  This seems to be a fairly common thing there.

[~TAZ_MAN~]

Unfortunately, they are going to lie until some hard evidence is introduced.  I think at this point the boys are at such odds, they should put them in a room together with some phone records and watch the sparks fly.  Produce some evidence to the weakest link.  They've already lied.

did you hear when they brought all 3 together in a room. Joran said, I called Deepak to come pick me up and deepak said "why are you lying" and then Joran said ok I called Satish.

Really?  What was Satish's response to that?

I dont know what his response was some say he said Joran stop lying you didnt call me either.  The gist of it was Joran tried to say one of the guys was called and then switched it to the other one when he was called a liar.  Hes changed his story so many times its not even funny, but people wont recognize it as him being dishonest.

[jane]

Unfortunately, they are going to lie until some hard evidence is introduced.  I think at this point the boys are at such odds, they should put them in a room together with some phone records and watch the sparks fly.  Produce some evidence to the weakest link.  They've already lied.

I'd love to know what kind of evidence they do have from phone and internet records. I wonder about Deepak's ability to lay a false trail because of his computer experience. Still, it seems like a lot of fore planning for a gang rape if that is what happened. Could Natalee's disappearance have something to do with the scuffle with the MB teens earlier? Some form of retaliation?

[Tiptoes]

Unfortunately, they are going to lie until some hard evidence is introduced.  I think at this point the boys are at such odds, they should put them in a room together with some phone records and watch the sparks fly.  Produce some evidence to the weakest link.  They've already lied.

did you hear when they brought all 3 together in a room. Joran said, I called Deepak to come pick me up and deepak said "why are you lying" and then Joran said ok I called Satish.

Yes, it's as if the events are fluid, and we can say it was this way, or we can say it was that way...  This seems to be a fairly common thing there.

Yeah, but that's a bold-faced lie and he knows it.  What was Satish's response?

[AZLady]

Unfortunately, they are going to lie until some hard evidence is introduced.  I think at this point the boys are at such odds, they should put them in a room together with some phone records and watch the sparks fly.  Produce some evidence to the weakest link.  They've already lied.

did you hear when they brought all 3 together in a room. Joran said, I called Deepak to come pick me up and deepak said "why are you lying" and then Joran said ok I called Satish.

Really?  What was Satish's response to that?

No one has said.  That's another interesting thing -- they only reveal portions of an event or conversation.  Invariably, something is left out or omitted and very seldom does anyone note this.  Odd.