RBN #28 6/26/05 Sunday Evening

[rogers]

I'm wondering if we do not have too narrow a focus here.  The media and consequently this forum has concentrated on Joran and the brothers.

"Missing man has been identified as Sergio Gomez. This case and the dead, partially decapitaed, body found at Sabana are not believed to be related to the Natalee Holloway case."

I am aware that they say that.  Is it really true/correct?  How many missing people did Aruba have last year?  Why the sudden surge?

[Dallas Also]

Goodnight, Night Riders!  I need a couple of hours of sleep before the workday starts.

Blessings to you all, you precious souls who are trying to help!

[KJ]

Dallas & AZ Lady--I'd be interested in hearing your abduction theories you alude to...

[AZLady]

I'm wondering if we do not have too narrow a focus here.  The media and consequently this forum has concentrated on Joran and the brothers.

"Missing man has been identified as Sergio Gomez. This case and the dead, partially decapitaed, body found at Sabana are not believed to be related to the Natalee Holloway case."

I am aware that they say that.  Is it really true/correct?  How many missing people did Aruba have last year?  Why the sudden surge?

And there are nearly 300 people in the Aruban prison, yet they have no crime!  The majority of the people in the Aruban prison are there for drug violations.  Imagine that!  Drug violations!  They are there for "cartel" violations, interpreted as drug violations.  If Natalee has been kidnapped, I believe the Arubans and the FBI and the DEA will allow Joran to be sacrificed as a criminal rather than blow this out in the open.   I shudder to think what might happen...

[KJ]

ooops- Dallas left.  Maybe Jordan needed to settle a gambling debt?  
Not sure what to think myself any more.  Hate not knowing but hate even more that family does not know.

[Cerulean]

it was just Geraldo.  I can't even bring myself to watch him.  he looks to much like a 1970's porn star.

LOL

[AZLady]

I don't think it's a coincidence that the first Columbian drug kingpin was extradicted to the US earlier this year.  It's also no coincidence that the DEA announced the success of Operation Mallorca on June 14, 2005.

http://www.dea.gov/pubs/pressrel/pr061405.html

Aruba is a very scary place.

[rogers]

I don't think it's a coincidence that the first Columbian drug kingpin was extradicted to the US earlier this year.  It's also no coincidence that the DEA announced the success of Operation Mallorca on June 14, 2005.

http://www.dea.gov/pubs/pressrel/pr061405.html

Aruba is a very scary place.

I read the article and did not find one mention of Aruba.  Why do you say it is a scary place?

[Cerulean]

I once hung out with a guy I had only meant who really tried aggressively to take advantage of me in a hotel lobby.  After the confrontation, I left abruptly, but he was fearful enough to see that I got back to my hotel safely.  I can recall many times where dates have not gone as the guy intended, but I was never left somewhere.  

I don't understand why JVDS would leave Natalee on a beach unless 'something bad' happened.

Very true.  I was never left anywhere.  Guys who get fresh and cause problems, even bordering on criminal activity, never leave you anywhere.  In their twisted minds, that would be wrong.  They just don't do it.  Guys just don't do that, even cads.

[EdwinW]

Real quick before I check out, a couple of things.

2. The FBI needs to be brought in to do the 2 things they do best: Forensics, and Interviews. Everyone who could have been out on that Marriott Beach and who worked in those hotels needs a friendly knock on the door or a phone call.

That wouldn't make any difference as:
- The policemen on Aruba got their education in both The Netherlands and the US.
- Forensic evidence is sent to the Netherlands (Rijswijk) for further investigation. They have the best specialists working on that.

By the way, the investigation will absolutely take more time as we can see with CSI New York

[Tiptoes]

I'm wondering if we do not have too narrow a focus here.  The media and consequently this forum has concentrated on Joran and the brothers.

"Missing man has been identified as Sergio Gomez. This case and the dead, partially decapitaed, body found at Sabana are not believed to be related to the Natalee Holloway case."

I am aware that they say that.  Is it really true/correct?  How many missing people did Aruba have last year?  Why the sudden surge?

And there are nearly 300 people in the Aruban prison, yet they have no crime!  The majority of the people in the Aruban prison are there for drug violations.  Imagine that!  Drug violations!  They are there for "cartel" violations, interpreted as drug violations.  If Natalee has been kidnapped, I believe the Arubans and the FBI and the DEA will allow Joran to be sacrificed as a criminal rather than blow this out in the open.   I shudder to think what might happen...

"Authorities say this case has nothing to do with Natalee Holloway’s case".  This man was decapitated.  I agree with AZlady, it appears to be a drug-related crime but not related to Natalee.  Gang activity in the islands is increasing at astronimical rates and much of the source comes from other islands in the Carribean who have begun cracking down so severely that the gang members are scattering as far as Canada.

[AZLady]

For a historical perspective, read The Rothschilds of the Mafia on Aruba at
http://www.tni.org/archives/tblick/aruba.htm
and TIES BETWEEN MEXICO'S UNDERGROUND ECONOMY AND DRUG TRAFFICKING at
http://www.isop.ucla.edu/profmex/volume2/2spring97/Art3/alisky.html
and
http://clinton6.nara.gov/1996/12/1996-12-03-president-letter-on-drug-trade-countries.html
and
MONEY LAUNDERING AND FINANCIAL CRIMES at http://www.hri.org/docs/USSD-INCSR/1998/FinCountry.html

Then, for a more current view, finish up with A GLOBAL OVERVIEW OF NARCOTICS-FUNDED TERRORIST AND OTHER EXTREMIST GROUPS at http://www.loc.gov/rr/frd/pdf-files/NarcsFundedTerrs_Extrems.pdf
Pay close attention to the Indigenous Narco-Terrorist Groups in Latin America section.  

If you plan your next vacation in the Caribbean after reading this stuff, you have a stronger stomach than I.

[sandraK]

MAN   killed by him wife/girlfriend With a shovel.
He was Cheating AND she  was not happy.

[KJ]

Some good info; thanks AZ Lady  

[AZLady]

Sergio Gomez was   killed by him wife/girlfriend With a shovel.
He was Cheating AND she  was not happy.

And this is what happens when you cheat in the Caribbean.

[Tiptoes]

Sergio Gomez was   killed by him wife/girlfriend With a shovel.
He was Cheating AND she  was not happy.

There you go!  Thanks sandrak

[EdwinW]

I don't think it's a coincidence that the first Columbian drug kingpin was extradicted to the US earlier this year.  It's also no coincidence that the DEA announced the success of Operation Mallorca on June 14, 2005.

http://www.dea.gov/pubs/pressrel/pr061405.html

Aruba is a very scary place.

And did you know that the governments of Aruba, The Netherlands and the US work closely together against drugs ? The US has a counterdrug aircraft. The FOL, located at Queen Beatrix Airport near Oranjestad.
http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/pubs/intel/03014/03014.pdf

[AZLady]

Some good info; thanks AZ Lady  

You're welcome.  I've been researching this for the past month and the more I read, the more I become aware that this place is a powderkeg waiting to blow.  Maybe the Arubans adopt the "what do you want me to do about it?" act out of self-preservation.  They are caught in the middle with a corrupt government/economy, a drug supplier on one side and a drug market on the other.  They either look the other way and have another mai-tai or leave their paradise island.  What a choice.

[rogers]

Sergio Gomez was   killed by him wife/girlfriend With a shovel.
He was Cheating AND she  was not happy.

There you go!  Thanks sandrak

I thought that the murdered individual had a Dutch name: Renee  something. and that Sergio was missing and still unaccounted for.  Am I mistaken?

[AZLady]

I don't think it's a coincidence that the first Columbian drug kingpin was extradicted to the US earlier this year.  It's also no coincidence that the DEA announced the success of Operation Mallorca on June 14, 2005.

http://www.dea.gov/pubs/pressrel/pr061405.html

Aruba is a very scary place.

And did you know that the governments of Aruba, The Netherlands and the US work closely together against drugs ? The US has a counterdrug aircraft. The FOL, located at Queen Beatrix Airport near Oranjestad.
http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/pubs/intel/03014/03014.pdf

That might explain why the first contact Beth H. Twitty had on Aruba was with a DEA agent there "on other business."