RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday

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[Catriana]

Good morning, folks!    Anyone hear anything new?

[EdwinW]

Good morning, folks!    Anyone hear anything new?

Facts: no
Rumors: plenty

[Loren]

what rumors seem likely to be based in some fact?

[sandraK]

David Kock, defense attorney for Satish Kalpoe, said police have scrutinized cell phone records and Internet traffic as part of the investigation, CNN reported.

Kock said Joran Van Der Sloot called Deepak Kalpoe about 2:40 a.m. the morning Holloway disappeared and, according to Deepak Kalpoe's statements, Joran Van Der Sloot told him he had left Holloway on the beach and was walking home. Kock said Joran Van Der Sloot text-messaged Deepak Kalpoe about 40 minutes later that he had arrived

[momto5]

Good morning, folks!    Anyone hear anything new?

Good morning!

[sandraK]

David Kock, defense attorney for Satish Kalpoe, said police have scrutinized cell phone records and Internet traffic as part of the investigation, CNN reported.

Kock said Joran Van Der Sloot called Deepak Kalpoe about 2:40 a.m. the morning Holloway disappeared and, according to Deepak Kalpoe's statements, Joran Van Der Sloot told him he had left Holloway on the beach and was walking home. Kock said Joran Van Der Sloot text-messaged Deepak Kalpoe about 40 minutes later that he had arrived

[mojo]

following on in the CNN article -


"I just think this goes to show that the story that Deepak and Satish are telling ... is substantiated by facts," Kock said.

Antonio Carlo, defense attorney for Joran Van Der Sloot, said Sunday his client was in good spirits, but was "shocked and disturbed" by his father's arrest.

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/26/aruba.missing/index.html


substantiated by facts -  that's something new to this case!

[Cerulean]

Bendex, that's spooky.  I'm sorry that happened to your friend.  This is why I challenged the editor of Aruba Today to provide crime statistics and polls on crime victimization.  Rape is an underreported crime.  If the retired police officer Elio Nicolaas is any indication, some of the police there are more than willing to blame victims.  I'm not saying that the problem is worse there than elsewhere, it might be better, I just thought that there might be more of this kind of thing than they let on and that they might not deal with it well, which allows the same criminals to keep reoffending.  This is just in the area Natalie was supposedly left in.  Hmmmm.  Very unfortunate no matter how many or few victims there are.

They were claiming very low statistics for rape and those mainly being within the local population, like it's that neat.  I was suspicious.  When I saw that they just offer a total number of crimes and don't break them down by offense, that IS a coverup.  I'm not saying that there is more of a problem there than anywhere else, it's just the covering up statistics and having a veteran retired police officer blaming a victim is a bad sign.

Was that guy caught?

[Cerulean]

Please post sources for the following about Joran or retract:

pushed someone through a plate glass window

actually kicked younger brothers on regular basis

uses date rape drugs on multiple females (or even one)

lived in bachelor apt due to violence against brothers

These are all serious accusations given over and over without any sources.  Either give sources or retract these statements.

[tkubi7]

Good mornin' all. I am truly worried about what the next few days will hold. It appears to me that if they let Croes out of jail because all he had done was lied, then we can expect they will release JVDS, Deepak and Satish because all they have on them is their lies.

[Cerulean]

Well, scuse me, it's Sunday night, I have to go to an "underground party."

[xcptnl]

Monkey Business
Friday, June 24, 2005
By Greta Van Susteren


Too funny huh?  Here is link for the story - it's about the monkey next door to the PVDS house.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160602,00.html

[pinemeadows]

Bendex, that's spooky.  I'm sorry that happened to your friend.  This is why I challenged the editor of Aruba Today to provide crime statistics and polls on crime victimization.  Rape is an underreported crime.

On track with this, if I ever get any time, I'd like to know more about the crime there as well.  I know that the amigos were put in a NEW prison.  That's not to say the OLD prison was closed at all as the officials said the new one was attached to the old.  

So which is it?  How can it be a new prison when it's attached?  It sounds like it's nothing more than an addition to me.

Low crime rate?  Sure, that's why they built an annex to the prison.

[tkubi7]

interesting link to the crime rate increase in aruba
http://news.caribseek.com/Aruba/AM_Digital/article_15609.shtml

[sandraK]

During the year, the Governments of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba improved prison staffing and capacity to address concerns by the Council of Europe's Committee for the Prevention of Torture. Authorities expanded prison activities, health care, and amenities, lessening inmate tensions. Prisoners also were eligible for early release. Both governments took steps to alleviate overcrowding. They completed renovations at the Rio Canario Detention Center on Curacao and expanded Aruba's Correctional Institute Aruba (KIA) prison to house 300 prisoners, up from 250. Despite these improvements, problems remained. On Curacao, illegal immigrants vandalized their barracks in protest over their treatment. On Aruba, 90 KIA prisoners, including 9 who sewed their mouths shut, held a hunger strike over prison conditions, including lack of recreational time and poor food. On Bonaire, the Chief Public Prosecutor ordered the release of a large number of detainees (mostly drug couriers arrested at the airport) from the Police Detention Center because of overcrowding and poor conditions. The Government of the Netherlands continued to provide assistance to improve prison conditions and management

[tkubi7]

Police make arrests in recent kidnapping in Barbados where several men forced a couple into a car.
http://www.caribbeannetnews.com/2005/06/27/kidnapping.shtml

[MississippiGirl]

It just crossed my mind that in the very beginning we heard that Natalee left CnC with 2 locals and an EXCHANGE STUDENT.  Have we heard any more about that?  Would Joran be considered an exchange student in any way?  Was that a lie that he told Natalee and her group?

[mojo]

Police make arrests in recent kidnapping in Barbados where several men forced a couple into a car.
http://www.caribbeannetnews.com/2005/06/27/kidnapping.shtml

wealthy british guy kidnapped by 5 brits...

[sandraK]

Police make arrests in recent kidnapping in Barbados where several men forced a couple into a car.
http://www.caribbeannetnews.com/2005/06/27/kidnapping.shtml

wealthy british guy kidnapped by 5 brits...

 and a Spanish woman was kidnapped , also.