RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday

[CanoneroII]

I think this case has turned into a circus.  Alot of people sat here and dogged Paul VDS and Cruse out, totally ruined their character, and humiliated them.  And now they in fact had nothing to do with it.  We should all remember innocent until proven guilty.  No matter how mad you are you should never lash out unless you know.  NOBODY has been charged yet.  Please keep this in mind when you want to dog someone out.  Too many people read this board.  Crues was just released by the way.

I couldn't agree more. Let's wait for the facts.

I totally agree with you..I have resorted to "lurk" mode on this board because it gets too heated for me with so many accusations being flung around.  I am ready for the facts/truth to be released.  I think once the facts are out, it will be interesting to go back and read what has been posted...everywhere

I would be happy to apologize to anyone I have suspected or accused in my mind once the facts come out.  My gut tells me the liars are lying for a reason and NH's mother's instincts are right on.  If I'm wrong about Joran, I will glady apologize for all the ugly feelings I have for him.

It is reasonable to question why a suspect is lying during the coarse of an investigation.  Usually it is to protect him or herself and others involved.  True, thease are alleged alligations but we also have reason to believe that suspects being detained have more information that's been revieled.

[iquitos]

can't find #2 anymore.  don't have a date on #1.

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Holloway’s friends saw van der Sloot both in the casino at the hotel where they were staying and at Carlos’N Charlies’, and a friend of Holloway said van der Sloot , a tall, broad-shouldered athlete , got into a scuffle with some of the Mountain Brook guys at the bar.

“I broke it up,” said Bryan Reynolds, 18. “It was outside the Carlos’N Charlies’ the second night we were there.”

Reynolds didn’t elaborate, and Barron said people who went on the trip aren’t publicly discussing details of what happened in Aruba at the request of Holloway’s family, which fears the publicity could hamper the investigation.

l Metro/State l   
 
Suspect was in pushing match

Man had scuffle with some of Holloway's friends

By DANIEL JACKSON
BIRMINGHAM POST-HERALD

One of the three young men arrested Thursday in the disappearance of Mountain Brook teen Natalee Holloway got into a pushing match with some of her friends in an Aruban bar, one of Holloway's friends said Thursday.
Bryan Reynolds, 18, one of 124 recent high school graduates whowent to Aruba in late May, said some of his friends almost got into a fight with Joran Andreas Petrus Van Der Sloot and his friends.

The scuffle started after Van Der Sloot, a Dutch suspect arrested at his upper-class home in Oranjestad, Aruba, Thursday morning, had been talking to 18-year-old Holloway at a bar where she and classmates hung out during the five-day trip, Reynolds said.

[amillerwvu]

I would be happy to apologize to anyone I have suspected or accused in my mind once the facts come out.  My gut tells me the liars are lying for a reason and NH's mother's instincts are right on.  If I'm wrong about Joran, I will glady apologize for all the ugly feelings I have for him.

DW...I agree that I think they are lying about something, but I don't know what.  I have speculated earlier on the board...but I just can't handle some of the "nastiness."  It usually happens later in the day/evening, so I just keep my fingers from typing....I guess I am too sensitive  I do, however, enjoy reading what people think, but truly, I am eager to reread posts once this is solved (soon would be nice but ) just to see how close some people have come to the truth.  I like your new monkey post

[Twelve Monkeys]

OK. Now I've seen it all. Fox news just aired a FOX NEWS ALERT:
Flowers delivered to the Van der Sloot home.
I'm not kidding.

I thought i heard that too a little earlier.. BUT I didnt want to say anyhitng on here if I wasnt sure.. !! I guess Im not loosing my mind afterall.!!

did the delivery "boy" have a mustache???  

Best line that I've read in days...

[sandy]

Remember, Dash said last evening - we know more than you and he is guilty - I am not suggesting she knows everything but she probably does know more than us - I wonder how concrete that evidence is

[Chaumes]

PEOPLE!!!! Please go back and at least read 2 or 3 pages when you first log on.  We've been reading for 5 or 6 pages now about the "hit" by the dogs at the quarry.  We don't need it posted over and over and over and over.

Thank you.

[Anna]

I think this case has turned into a circus.  Alot of people sat here and dogged Paul VDS and Cruse out, totally ruined their character, and humiliated them.  And now they in fact had nothing to do with it.  We should all remember innocent until proven guilty.  No matter how mad you are you should never lash out unless you know.  NOBODY has been charged yet.  Please keep this in mind when you want to dog someone out.  Too many people read this board.  Crues was just released by the way.

I couldn't agree more. Let's wait for the facts.

I totally agree with you..I have resorted to "lurk" mode on this board because it gets too heated for me with so many accusations being flung around.  I am ready for the facts/truth to be released.  I think once the facts are out, it will be interesting to go back and read what has been posted...everywhere

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What is your source that they had absolutely nothing to do with it?  At the least Croes lied and said he saw them return NH to the HI, assisting in the arrest of two innocent people and throwing LE off during the most critical time.  I call that something to do with it.  I think he well deserved whatever bad press he got for doing that unless you are saying it is OK to try to deceive LE like that.  I doubt that is what you mean, is it?

And the dad did tell Joren not to tell anything.  You have to wonder why but in any event it will not be known until there is a trial the extent of their involvement so how can you say with such certainty that they had absolutely nothing to do with it?

Lying for a friend is still something, isnt it?  And I do not mean to flame but think this is just the opposite of what you are accusing others of doing, declaring somebody totally innocent when he corroberated a false story.  We still don't have all the facts and certainly not enough to absolve anybody just as we do not have enough to declare them guilty.

The original false story might not have been believed had not this witness backed it up.  This was during very crucial time, too.

So while we cannot declare anybody guilty, it works both ways that we also cannot declare them innocent based on what information is currently available.

[Ocicat]

PEOPLE!!!! Please go back and at least read 2 or 3 pages when you first log on.  We've been reading for 5 or 6 pages now about the "hit" by the dogs at the quarry.  We don't need it posted over and over and over and over.

  Sorry! Was on my way out, plus I know when big news hits, sometimes it's easier on people just joining to have an update . But I did not know there had been many postings.

[swann]

I have been on this website reading since the onslaught of this tragedy, I don't care to post but, have been wanting to share the following.  I will try to make it short and sweet, I still get all anxious when I try to explain.

Some years ago a friend and I went to Ixtapa, Mexico.  We traveled alot together taking 1 trip each year.  I was in my mid 20's at the time, partier, wild and somewhat streetwise and roudy.  On the 3rd day there my friend was real sick (Montezumas).  We had been hanging around 2 local guys that worked at our hotel.  I didn't want to sit in the room with my sick friend so I went off with one of the guys we had been hanging around.  No big deal, I wasnn't scared or threatened in any way.  We walked down the beach and sat by the water when all of a suddedn 2 Federales came up on us like the swat team.  One had his foot on the chest of the local with his shotgun in his face laying flat on the sand and the other pointed his gun in my face and yelled "up" and started saying "coca".  He then put the barrel of his gun at my waistline on my shirt and yelled "up".  I got mad!!  A memory of something an aunt told me years earlier rose up in me and the movie Midnight Express came to my mind and I knew I had to get off the beach.  One cop had a hold of my arm and I punched him and ran as fast as one can through the sand and got to a hotel at the end of hotel row and took 2 to 3 steps at a time to get inside.  I was held there all night long until I escaped the following morning.  I tell you, I was prepared to die that night, I was so mad I wasn't really scared.  I told them they'd rape me over my dead body and I meant it.  As long as I was inside the hotel they wouldn't attack, they needed me outside and all night tried to trick me into going out.  I stood my ground all night yelled at them "You can't do this to me I'm American!"  I kept giving them the ole screw you fist in the air.  They were so mad and so ready to take me out but I fought hard!!  

Sorry so long, there is so much more I could share about that night but I don't want to babble.  Gotta go and chill, my whole body is shakin from sharing this, not out of fear but of anger.  

I now know, if you don't want to be exposed to danger or corruption while in another Country, DO NOT leave the Resort premises!!

[Shellbell]

I think this case has turned into a circus.  Alot of people sat here and dogged Paul VDS and Cruse out, totally ruined their character, and humiliated them.  And now they in fact had nothing to do with it.  We should all remember innocent until proven guilty.  No matter how mad you are you should never lash out unless you know.  NOBODY has been charged yet.  Please keep this in mind when you want to dog someone out.  Too many people read this board.  Crues was just released by the way.

I couldn't agree more. Let's wait for the facts.

I totally agree with you..I have resorted to "lurk" mode on this board because it gets too heated for me with so many accusations being flung around.  I am ready for the facts/truth to be released.  I think once the facts are out, it will be interesting to go back and read what has been posted...everywhere

I would be happy to apologize to anyone I have suspected or accused in my mind once the facts come out.  My gut tells me the liars are lying for a reason and NH's mother's instincts are right on.  If I'm wrong about Joran, I will glady apologize for all the ugly feelings I have for him.

It is reasonable to question why a suspect is lying during the coarse of an investigation.  Usually it is to protect him or herself and others involved.  True, thease are alleged alligations but we also have reason to believe that suspects being detained have more information that's been revieled.

Which you could be right and I could be wrong.  I was just saying we shouldnt be so mean in the things we say about them untiil we KNOW.
And I think Fox would have aired the story if they found something, they are tight there at it.

[da wench]

Sorry guys , you will probably hate me for saying this .
I dont think Joran is guilty to the disapearance of natelee maby responsible for leaving her alone on the beach but not guilty in her dissapearance .

I not going to put more energy in fitting in rumours to these 3 boys , I am going to explore the non obvious route.

Being the devil's advocate, eh?  It's good that all sides are represented here.  I wish Joran was innocent of committing a crime against NH because he seems to have bright future ahead of him.  I wish it was a slime ball that everyone could love to hate.  Families and lives are destroyed.  I hope we all have answers soon.

[inthepacific]

Anyone with Fox? Any word yet on this HIT with the dogs?

[bendex]

The natalee dissapearance has a sort of a proffesional fragrece to it . The person responsible for her dissapearance is not a first timer .

Sorry guys , you will probably hate me for saying this .
I dont think Joran is guilty to the disapearance of natelee maby responsible for leaving her alone on the beach but not guilty in her dissapearance .

I not going to put more energy in fitting in rumours to these 3 boys , I am going to explore the non obvious route.

IMO me either.

[RichinTx]

PEOPLE!!!! Please go back and at least read 2 or 3 pages when you first log on.  We've been reading for 5 or 6 pages now about the "hit" by the dogs at the quarry.  We don't need it posted over and over and over and over.

  Sorry! Was on my way out, plus I know when big news hits, sometimes it's easier on people just joining to have an update . But I did not know there had been many postings.

I forgive you.

[gagirl]

Anyone with Fox? Any word yet on this HIT with the dogs?

no word on Fox

[Professor]

PEOPLE!!!! Please go back and at least read 2 or 3 pages when you first log on.  We've been reading for 5 or 6 pages now about the "hit" by the dogs at the quarry.  We don't need it posted over and over and over and over.

Thank you.

Please, folks. Please stop telling us to go back and read the posts and not to repost the "hit." We don't need it posted over and over and over and over.

[Chaumes]

Twelve Monkeys:

Best. Avatar. Ever.

[Shellbell]

I think this case has turned into a circus.  Alot of people sat here and dogged Paul VDS and Cruse out, totally ruined their character, and humiliated them.  And now they in fact had nothing to do with it.  We should all remember innocent until proven guilty.  No matter how mad you are you should never lash out unless you know.  NOBODY has been charged yet.  Please keep this in mind when you want to dog someone out.  Too many people read this board.  Crues was just released by the way.

I couldn't agree more. Let's wait for the facts.

I totally agree with you..I have resorted to "lurk" mode on this board because it gets too heated for me with so many accusations being flung around.  I am ready for the facts/truth to be released.  I think once the facts are out, it will be interesting to go back and read what has been posted...everywhere

<<

What is your source that they had absolutely nothing to do with it?  At the least Croes lied and said he saw them return NH to the HI, assisting in the arrest of two innocent people and throwing LE off during the most critical time.  I call that something to do with it.  I think he well deserved whatever bad press he got for doing that unless you are saying it is OK to try to deceive LE like that.  I doubt that is what you mean, is it?

And the dad did tell Joren not to tell anything.  You have to wonder why but in any event it will not be known until there is a trial the extent of their involvement so how can you say with such certainty that they had absolutely nothing to do with it?

Lying for a friend is still something, isnt it?  And I do not mean to flame but think this is just the opposite of what you are accusing others of doing, declaring somebody totally innocent when he corroberated a false story.  We still don't have all the facts and certainly not enough to absolve anybody just as we do not have enough to declare them guilty.

The original false story might not have been believed had not this witness backed it up.  This was during very crucial time, too.

So while we cannot declare anybody guilty, it works both ways that we also cannot declare them innocent based on what information is currently available.

If you were in the shoes of these boys would you want people judging you.  None of us are judges in the case and none of us are God.  SO who are we to cast judgement.  They are very tight lipped and almost every theory that we came up with has been blown.  Its called innocent until PROVEN guilty.

[sandraK]

Anyone with Fox? Any word yet on this HIT with the dogs?

Not a Word

[absolut]

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