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« Reply #220 on: June 27, 2005, 10:07:39 PM »

On Greta's show:  Jug wants Holland to help Aruba with this case.
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« Reply #221 on: June 27, 2005, 10:08:07 PM »

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Ladyhawke112:  I totally agree.


Thanks ExTEx - and the system thanks you for not quoting me - although I understand why some folks might be reluctant to reply - I have hope others got the message. If not, next time I'll post the list.
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« Reply #222 on: June 27, 2005, 10:09:03 PM »

From Dan't site:
Updates On Today's Activities And Additional On Topic Content Within One Hour
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« Reply #223 on: June 27, 2005, 10:09:04 PM »

Thank you Luna and Pinemeadows - was anxious to know if anything had turned up.
There was a shot of PVDS on CNN this evening looking very relaxed, smiling - he may be happy to be home but he would still be stressed if his son was still in big trouble - didn't come across that way on TV
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« Reply #224 on: June 27, 2005, 10:09:31 PM »

Steve admitted he lied, and that's how he got in jail.  Amazingly, he says, there will be no consequences for his impeding the investigation.  No fines, no punishment, no slap on the wrist.....nothing, nada.
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« Reply #225 on: June 27, 2005, 10:09:59 PM »

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Bravo!  And what about poor little Jessica alive in a closet when the police supposedly checked the pervert's place?  Talk about making one cry..I can't even repeat her poor father saying "I said we'd bring Jessica home and we are."

I too pray for Natalee and her family.


That was one of the very examples I was talking about...every day here it's more news about yet another murdered or abused child, with plenty of bungled investigations to boot. Every DAY. ANd 1 thing happens in Aruba and people are talking crap about how "we" should go down there and take control. I'm tired of hearing about people saying this will hurt Aruba's tourism, like they are happy about that (and like it's true). I don't hear the rest of the world saying they're not going to travel to the U.S. because of - not 1 crime, but many thousands of crimes everywhere from our big cities to our small towns. This is turning into a big peeve of mine because I am tired of hearing people in our media making public statements like this. You know, those who live in glass countries....should not throw stones!  Mad
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« Reply #226 on: June 27, 2005, 10:10:28 PM »

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Since Joran father is a lawyer, do we know anything about some of the cases that he has handled.  Is he considered strong as a criminal attorney or has he handled many murder cases. Just a thought

You can read about him at the riehlworldview sitte:
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« Reply #227 on: June 27, 2005, 10:10:31 PM »

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My hunch is that the brothers dropped off Joran and Nat at the Mariott beach, Joran had given her a rape drug, which led her to have some kind of reaction (asthma attack or similar?) and she died as a result.  He panicked, phoned the brothers to get them to give him a lift home, they refused, so he phoned his father, who helped him get rid of the body and come up with a cover story, and told him to send the text message.  That is pure speculation, but what else can one do right now?


Hey dad, get the shovel! We've got another cold one! Boy it's great to have a dad that will help out with murder victim disposal isn't it?

PVDS - no problemo el Jordano - I've already got a spot picked out for her! Laughing
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« Reply #228 on: June 27, 2005, 10:12:52 PM »

Sorry guys for the consternation I left , it is just a suspicion.


It is my believe that this has happend.

First question why would Joran lie about the Holiday inn ?

 Because he knew he left her in a place where it would be quite probable that something would happen to her. It is like someone leaves me with my wite behiny in plain center harlem NY.

 I think joran has a big ego, and he did not get what he wanted and left her, turned his back and commenced walking home or asking his father for a pick up.

 Secondly I mentioned scars , I have seen varios foto of natalee one foto what stuck with me is a Natalee on a motorbicycle. Appears like a girl who certainly will give a good fight and will not give up that easly. RB once metioned one of the signs one would look for on a violence suspect would be scars .

I don t think that neigther that Joran would drug her in order to have love with her I think this is a kid , who realy needs a girl telling to him how good he is to pleasure his male ego.  Look at his pictures how is always in center of attention.

 Now supposedly he left Natalee behind. Not near her hotel. I do not know about you guys , but I have traveled and lived in many countries. I have been drunk in many shitty bars as well in these countries. Any many times I had to walk to my hotel aswell as I had not any cash left . Looking for my hotel . If you are lost and intoxicated what do you do you ask people for the directions or look for a taxi.

 Suppose she was in this situation lost , asked someone for directions or took a taxi with someone with bad intententions . She went along willingly or against her will . Neighter I would be suprised that it would be a Foreign person I asume you would trust a male caucasian who speaks better english then a local from Aruba.

I also think the person who did it hat intentions looking for a sexual pleasure or relieve. In Argentina where I live you have certain street corners where guys look for a cheap sexual relieve most of them do that after going to a bar in the late hours.

 I think this person or persons has taken her home did a harmfull deed to  her in the early morning of 31st to her. I also think this person has taken her in a smallboat for pleasury fishing and disposed of the body in the following days. And finally I think this was a person who is not a first time offender , this was a person who knew from the start what the outcome would be. And made some very good riskanalyses.

 As regards to the suspicion of someone posting overhere , I have noted that lots of rumours later on became self fulfilling proficies . I have been rereading blogs. I think that a person using various indenteties is pointing us in the wrong way. But I am not sure yet , I have have stumbled onto some weird messages . I will come to that when I am sure of it.
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« Reply #229 on: June 27, 2005, 10:13:46 PM »

Nat's mom has been right on the money since day one. Back to square one.

A good detective doesn't blame anyone's government. They all suck!
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« Reply #230 on: June 27, 2005, 10:13:59 PM »

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Help me out guys...I need posters that blamed Natalee.  I am having to justify myself.  Who were the people who talked about the drinking and Natalee's clothes?



   if you go to the SM home page, and click on "comments" beneath the various updates, there are a number of posts that have been really trashing Natalee. I don't want to repeat some of what was said.


GUY WITH DOG:
Here you go...


Probably Jorans friends  On another message board, names of his friends, on his web site, were writing terrible things about her, like they hoped he killed her, etc....
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« Reply #231 on: June 27, 2005, 10:13:59 PM »

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We give better sources on here than Geraldo does on TV.


Yes. You do! Particularly one source, and I'd hate to lose that person's cryptic postings.


Would that be Shango? Although I know there have been other "cryptic" postings on here, but to me his/hers has been the MOST cryptic that I've seen!


No, not Shango. He's relatively new at the coded message game, I think. Also, I have trouble understanding his posts. Smile
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« Reply #232 on: June 27, 2005, 10:14:28 PM »

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jac723, Great post!   Very Happy


I am trying to catch up with posts-ran out with husband--but Thank You--trying to be helpful for everyone--hopefully  Surprised
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« Reply #233 on: June 27, 2005, 10:14:54 PM »

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That is funny!

One more thing, is that Jug confirmed tonight that Deepak was there with Joran when the family showed up.  Another report had pooh poohed that.  But, why would Deepak be with Joran to offer support if he wasn't invovled?  Yikes.  What time was that?


I think he said it was 5 am that they were finally called and said Joran was home from the bogus casino.  TOday is the first day I heard that Deepak was there too.  Not sure if that is verified yet.


According to previous reports from BHT and JT, BHT, Jug and his friends showed up at Joran's house that night.  P VDS said that Joran was not home, supposedly called him on his cell phone, then reported that Joran was at the Whyndham casino.  BHT, JT and friends went to the casino, Joran was not there.  Went back to Joran's house, and Joran and Deepak were both there with P VDS.

My personal belief is that JVDS was never at the Whyndam Casino.  I think he was either home the whole time, or JVDS and Deepak were taking care of some "other" business, but that's just my hunch.  However, if my 2nd part there proved to be true it would make me sick, b/c that would mean her family "missed" her by hours, at most.
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« Reply #234 on: June 27, 2005, 10:15:19 PM »

I personally had trouble with this David Saunders referring to PVDS as 'the FAILED JUDGE" that to my mind was rude and uncalled for - certainly not geared to winning friends and influencing enemies / whoever among Arubans
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« Reply #235 on: June 27, 2005, 10:15:53 PM »

I am just wandering if the cellphones there have gps (global positioning system) like our in the states. The detectives there would know exactly where eveyone was when they were used and i mean exactly. this would solve many answers.
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« Reply #236 on: June 27, 2005, 10:16:01 PM »

Okay, Scott, let me see if I can explain it about the cover-up croyinism (that's when there is 'buddy politics' going on, right?)

In the case of van der Sloot, and the Kalpoes, there would not be any cover up going on from them coming from the cops. Dutch people, and especially Dutch officials are looked with a not-so-friendly eye, sort of "who does this makamba think (s)he is? Makamba is slang for Dutch person, you might compare it to the term 'yankee' in the U.S., with all its connotations.
I was born in the Netherlands from Aruban parents, and unless I open my mouth I'm competely Aruban: dark hair, dark eyes, Aruban last name, the works. But because I speak with a Dutch accent I have been teased and at times been called names.
Okay, now we have the prosecution. In my mind, the Dutch prosecution are fanatical about not showing any favoritism and being completely and utterly professional. They sort of have to be, because one wrong move and all the Arubans are going to yell: "favoritism!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Now we have the Surinamese brothers. Surinamese as a community have not been here for a long time and they're looked upon as foreigners. It takes a looooooooooooong time to be considered Aruban, by the way. There is no way in HELL that an Aruban cop is going to stick his neck on the line for those boys. NO WAY IN HELL.

Okay, van der Straaten (police commisioner). I used to be friends with his son, and let me tell you, that cop would have NO problem arresting his wife if it was necessary. Fair is fair and the law is the law.
As for helping the government, I can ASSURE you that he already put his job on the line once before when he pissed off the current government, and it took the Netherlands to intervene before he did loose it. He is not friendly with this government, so I doubt he'd help them cover something up.
So the quote "how can I do this to my best friend's son" is complete BULL in my opinion.

Some people asked what there is to do in Aruba:

Legally:

Under 18: the movies and going to the beach
Over 18: The nightclubs, the movies, the beach, driving around.
See why I ask why tourists would want to come here? It can be oh so boring here. I like Carlos and Charlies, but the DJ puts in a tape and it's the same order of songs every.single.night.
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« Reply #237 on: June 27, 2005, 10:17:47 PM »

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Since Joran father is a lawyer, do we know anything about some of the cases that he has handled.  Is he considered strong as a criminal attorney or has he handled many murder cases. Just a thought

You can read about him at the riehlworldview sitte:
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/
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Hope this helps!


Thanks, I saw that earlier today in fact that is what peaked my interest. Since he I believe he had to serve 5 years as a prosc/defense attorney I'm sure he came in contact with quite a few interesting people.
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« Reply #238 on: June 27, 2005, 10:18:34 PM »

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Since Joran father is a lawyer, do we know anything about some of the cases that he has handled.  Is he considered strong as a criminal attorney or has he handled many murder cases. Just a thought


Jorans father is not a lawyer.  Just a public servant with a M.S. in law.
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« Reply #239 on: June 27, 2005, 10:18:37 PM »

On the subject of fighting back.

Did she ever have a self defense class.  You know the kind where you spend a week kicking this guy in a big padded suit.

Did she play in any sports or was she athletic at all.  Did she go to gym, lift weights, do areobics, run, jog?

Granted, she wouldn't have stood much of a chance against a person twice her size but it does seem like he might have gotten some marks.
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