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« Reply #300 on: June 27, 2005, 10:44:45 PM »

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I think she's 5" maybe 5"1


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I think she's going to crack this case......
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« Reply #301 on: June 27, 2005, 10:45:04 PM »

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The classic beauty, lawyer is on now. Arlene something?


She's red haired like me.  She is a hottie Nancy.  Somehow I have missed her previously.
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« Reply #302 on: June 27, 2005, 10:45:34 PM »

I was hoping they would release Joran and let the bothers know he was released.  Orchestrate it so the brothers get the impression Joran is totally free for good.  If they could do that and pick Joran up again those brothers would sing like canaries.
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« Reply #303 on: June 27, 2005, 10:45:40 PM »

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The classic beauty, lawyer is on now. Arlene something?


Alan-Schiffer I believe .. Yah! The arubian accent definately is a derivative of the dutch added with some carribean swing.
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« Reply #304 on: June 27, 2005, 10:45:56 PM »

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EVERYONE in the world is deathly afraid of something.  Why can't they find out what this JVDS {{edit}} is afraid of and press him until he snaps like a twig.  Let Aruban LE look the other way...send an operative with expertise in torture in to have a little chat with {{edit}} ...and when he breaks let Aruban LE take all the credit for solving the case.  The alternative....never solve the case...but hey, at least you didn't violate {{edit}} rights.....a small moral victory compared to solving the biggest case in the history of Aruba.


Did it ever occur to any of you ------ that Joran actually doesn't know what happened to Natalee? If he left her at Marriott beach then someone else could have kidnapped her that we have never heard of yet. There are 100,000 people on Aruba.



Oh, OK...so he lied..

A. To be funny
B. As a graduation prank
C. Because he wanted to see what the inside of the jails looked like.
D. To see how good of a liar he could be
E.  Because being incarcerated and interrogated seemed like a really cool alternative to spending his summer gambling and flirting with other american tourist girls.


Take your pick inspector.
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« Reply #305 on: June 27, 2005, 10:46:02 PM »

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That is funny!

One more thing, is that Jug confirmed tonight that Deepak was there with Joran when the family showed up.  Another report had pooh poohed that.  But, why would Deepak be with Joran to offer support if he wasn't invovled?  Yikes.  What time was that?


I think he said it was 5 am that they were finally called and said Joran was home from the bogus casino.  TOday is the first day I heard that Deepak was there too.  Not sure if that is verified yet.


When they returned from the casino to Joran's house he was outside leaning against a car with Deepak.
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« Reply #306 on: June 27, 2005, 10:46:14 PM »

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BHT tonight said that Natalie's room is on the ground floor with an entry from the beach.  Does this not contradict what Dash said...she said you could only enter the room from the main lobby, over a bridge, etc.?????[/quote

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Her room was on the beach with a door that opened to the sand.....maybe she was abducted on her way back to the HI???



That's not true... her room was by mine... You have to go through the hotel to get to it


Sorry dash...someone posted here yesterday they saw Beth on TV in her/Nat's room and they saw the door with sand....so it was posted that you could get to the room from the beach.

Not true?



Nope, you have to go through the hotel either through the front enterance (inside) or through the hotel/ outdoor restraunt part. Then you walk over a little bridge to the building we stayed in.

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« Reply #307 on: June 27, 2005, 10:46:15 PM »

bendex

I have a totally weird post for you from Saturday 6-10-05 late into the night.  She tried to convince the board that Natalee was just a runaway situation.

I'll look it up, it will take a minute.
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« Reply #308 on: June 27, 2005, 10:46:23 PM »

candy_girl, she's certainly smart enough. Her grades were top-notch in highschool. I think she graduated 4th in her year, not positive.
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« Reply #309 on: June 27, 2005, 10:46:52 PM »

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The classic beauty, lawyer is on now. Arlene something?


She's red haired like me.  She is a hottie Nancy.  Somehow I have missed her previously.


Is her hair red?  Looks dark to me. She's gorgeous...
Now's your chance, hop a plane!
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« Reply #310 on: June 27, 2005, 10:46:56 PM »

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Okay, Scott, let me see if I can explain it about the cover-up croyinism (that's when there is 'buddy politics' going on, right?)

In the case of van der Sloot, and the Kalpoes, there would not be any cover up going on from them coming from the cops. Dutch people, and especially Dutch officials are looked with a not-so-friendly eye, sort of "who does this makamba think (s)he is? Makamba is slang for Dutch person, you might compare it to the term 'yankee' in the U.S., with all its connotations.
I was born in the Netherlands from Aruban parents, and unless I open my mouth I'm competely Aruban: dark hair, dark eyes, Aruban last name, the works. But because I speak with a Dutch accent I have been teased and at times been called names.
Okay, now we have the prosecution. In my mind, the Dutch prosecution are fanatical about not showing any favoritism and being completely and utterly professional. They sort of have to be, because one wrong move and all the Arubans are going to yell: "favoritism!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Now we have the Surinamese brothers. Surinamese as a community have not been here for a long time and they're looked upon as foreigners. It takes a looooooooooooong time to be considered Aruban, by the way. There is no way in HELL that an Aruban cop is going to stick his neck on the line for those boys. NO WAY IN HELL.

Okay, van der Straaten (police commisioner). I used to be friends with his son, and let me tell you, that cop would have NO problem arresting his wife if it was necessary. Fair is fair and the law is the law.
As for helping the government, I can ASSURE you that he already put his job on the line once before when he pissed off the current government, and it took the Netherlands to intervene before he did loose it. He is not friendly with this government, so I doubt he'd help them cover something up.
So the quote "how can I do this to my best friend's son" is complete BULL in my opinion.

Some people asked what there is to do in Aruba:

Legally:

Under 18: the movies and going to the beach
Over 18: The nightclubs, the movies, the beach, driving around.
See why I ask why tourists would want to come here? It can be oh so boring here. I like Carlos and Charlies, but the DJ puts in a tape and it's the same order of songs every.single.night.


Thanks for clearing that up AG; and giving input on what the judicial system is like there. I was wondering about the Dutch and Arubans.
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« Reply #311 on: June 27, 2005, 10:47:10 PM »

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Carlos & Charlie's started out to be very strict. No one under 21 and they did check rigourously.

Then it was no one under 18, but they did check.

Now? Barely checking.

We've got a group of friends we travel with and a port on a cruise was Cozumel, where we were told to stop at C&C's...turns out they had a power outage, and the whole area was in the dark.  We didn't go in, couldn't go in because they had no power, so went back to the ship for the evenings happenings...can't say that I can give a critique.
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« Reply #312 on: June 27, 2005, 10:48:08 PM »

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Mariane Croes, spokeswoman for the prosecution, is quite the little hottie in my opinion.  BTW, why do they all end their sentences in an upward inflection?
 

She is a Dutch speaker, thats why, we saw her on Dutch TV here last nite courtesy of a link posted.   She is quite cute and very good.  She explains the process concisely and never lets out one thing she is not supposed to.  That said, her beautiful eyes did twinkle when Greta asked about electronic surveillance, cell and email records.  She said e check everything,  She said we have Dutch help.  She said the porsecutor does not talk to the Twittys but could.  Attorney Schippers is not bad either.  Beautiful green eyes.
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« Reply #313 on: June 27, 2005, 10:48:32 PM »

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1. the van der Sloot home wasn't searched May 31? Was there a search warrant?
2. the clothes of Joran, Paulus, Deepak and Satish from that night weren't taken? How do you know that they weren't taken?
3. the vehicles weren't seized immediately? Good question
4. they waited 10 days? The question that everyone has been asking
5. the prosecutor has yet to interview Beth, Jug, or any of his friends who have vital information pertinent to this case? How do you know they haven't?

My point is: The police in Aruba aren't the brightest ever, (sorry Jossy Mansur), but they are NOT NOT NOT covering up for the three boys.

You can call them inept, you can call them stupid, because imho opinion they have shown evidence of that. But they're covering up? I don't buy it. I don't see any reason to. Paul v/d S doesn't have any influence, despite his lawyer status.


I guess I'd like to give the authorities the benefit of the doubt that they were sooner corrupt than grossly incompetent.

If they didn't have a search warrant, why wouldn't they obtain one immediately?  There was certainly enough circumstantial evidence to obtain one.

(With heavy grain of salt) Geraldo reported tonight that the clothes of the kids from that night were NOT taken.

Beth told Greta in tonight's interview that the prosecutor has never approached Beth or Jug to ascertain any information.  From their encounter that first night alone, there is critical, invaluable information needed to secure an indictment and conviction.

I can not dismiss the possibility of preferential treatment solely because of the 10-day grace period they were extended, and the fact they were given more than ample time to sanitize any incriminating evidence.
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« Reply #314 on: June 27, 2005, 10:49:12 PM »

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That is funny!

One more thing, is that Jug confirmed tonight that Deepak was there with Joran when the family showed up.  Another report had pooh poohed that.  But, why would Deepak be with Joran to offer support if he wasn't invovled?  Yikes.  What time was that?


I think he said it was 5 am that they were finally called and said Joran was home from the bogus casino.  TOday is the first day I heard that Deepak was there too.  Not sure if that is verified yet.


When they returned from the casino to Joran's house he was outside leaning against a car with Deepak.


Did tapes from the Casion confirm that they were there or are we going on waht has been said?
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« Reply #315 on: June 27, 2005, 10:50:01 PM »

iquitos, she's not Dutch, she speaks it of course, maybe when she went to school there?
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« Reply #316 on: June 27, 2005, 10:50:14 PM »

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candy_girl, she's certainly smart enough. Her grades were top-notch in highschool. I think she graduated 4th in her year, not positive.


Arubagirl- would you care to please tell me the time there in Aruba
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« Reply #317 on: June 27, 2005, 10:50:59 PM »

Scott, okay, but why?
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« Reply #318 on: June 27, 2005, 10:51:46 PM »

candy: 10:51 pm I have it on my computer.
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« Reply #319 on: June 27, 2005, 10:52:10 PM »

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Okay, Scott, let me see if I can explain it about the cover-up croyinism (that's when there is 'buddy politics' going on, right?)

In the case of van der Sloot, and the Kalpoes, there would not be any cover up going on from them coming from the cops. Dutch people, and especially Dutch officials are looked with a not-so-friendly eye, sort of "who does this makamba think (s)he is? Makamba is slang for Dutch person, you might compare it to the term 'yankee' in the U.S., with all its connotations.
I was born in the Netherlands from Aruban parents, and unless I open my mouth I'm competely Aruban: dark hair, dark eyes, Aruban last name, the works. But because I speak with a Dutch accent I have been teased and at times been called names.
Okay, now we have the prosecution. In my mind, the Dutch prosecution are fanatical about not showing any favoritism and being completely and utterly professional. They sort of have to be, because one wrong move and all the Arubans are going to yell: "favoritism!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Now we have the Surinamese brothers. Surinamese as a community have not been here for a long time and they're looked upon as foreigners. It takes a looooooooooooong time to be considered Aruban, by the way. There is no way in HELL that an Aruban cop is going to stick his neck on the line for those boys. NO WAY IN HELL.

Okay, van der Straaten (police commisioner). I used to be friends with his son, and let me tell you, that cop would have NO problem arresting his wife if it was necessary. Fair is fair and the law is the law.
As for helping the government, I can ASSURE you that he already put his job on the line once before when he pissed off the current government, and it took the Netherlands to intervene before he did loose it. He is not friendly with this government, so I doubt he'd help them cover something up.
So the quote "how can I do this to my best friend's son" is complete BULL in my opinion.

Some people asked what there is to do in Aruba:

Legally:

Under 18: the movies and going to the beach
Over 18: The nightclubs, the movies, the beach, driving around.
See why I ask why tourists would want to come here? It can be oh so boring here. I like Carlos and Charlies, but the DJ puts in a tape and it's the same order of songs every.single.night.


I have never, for a second, believed there's been any protection of the Kalpoe brothers.

I would be most interested in hearing a viable explanation as to why:

1. the van der Sloot home wasn't searched May 31?
2. the clothes of Joran, Paulus, Deepak and Satish from that night weren't taken?
3. the vehicles weren't seized immediately?
4. they waited 10 days?
5. the prosecutor has yet to interview Beth, Jug, or any of his friends who have vital information pertinent to this case?

Also, on an unrelated note, how prevalent is Santeria in Aruba?


!. Natalee is an adult, there was no reason to believe she was a victim of a crime on 5/31. I really hope that in the US, police are not permitted to enter people's homes and search in such circumstances. Maybe the law protects criminals, but it also protects innocent people. The government should not be allowed to search your property at will.

2. ditto

3. Again, the same

4. Stupidity and pressure from the Arubian gov't who wanted to sweep it under the road, combined with pressure from the US and the Twittys

5. Hostility between the parties?  Very strange, if true. What is the source?
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