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« Reply #500 on: June 28, 2005, 12:17:12 AM »

Lausa,,,"Still...add in the screaming maid, the other missing person who was supposed to be on Natalee's flight, rumors of a young woman struggling with someone on beach... "

I'm curious about the "screaming maid" and teh woman struggling on the beach....have you heard the same unsubstantiated rumor I have?  Things have kind of flitted around re those occurrences, but I have not seen any firm source for the info....have you?  Just curious....thanks.
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« Reply #501 on: June 28, 2005, 12:17:15 AM »

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[ The world is a big place, and it would be dishonest to say that US policies enjoy the same popularity worldwide as they do in American hearts.

 
Very, very well put.......... I think it would be a good topic to start
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« Reply #502 on: June 28, 2005, 12:17:30 AM »

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Assuming that Joran and Natalee got into the car at C &C's, could they have been carrying drinks, and spilled one in the car?

If Deepak is fussy about his car, he might want to clean it up before going to bed.

I am leaning toward the theory that for whatever reason, the brothers agreed to lie for their friend when they thought it was just a case of a girl who was temporarily not where she was supposed to be, but would turn up.

Young girls do not disappear on Aruba with great frequency, and they are both young. It is possible that they had no idea of the seriousness of the situation, and when they did realize it, that is when their story changed.



Innocent people dont change their stories and create fake alibis.  The truth only comes naturally if you dont have anything to hide.


If human behavior were that simple, whole industries, from mental health care to law enforcement, would be flipping burgers at McDonald's!


Luckily when it comes to human behavior with regards to a crime, it is that simple.
When suspects continually lie and their story cant be verified, that tells the investigators that their focus is in within the ones that evidently have something to hide.
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« Reply #503 on: June 28, 2005, 12:17:34 AM »

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Someone is belittling her home, you would be sensitive too.  Talking about boycotting aruba tourism just because of this is rediculous,  putting down everything about aruba is rediculous.  Maybe we should also boycott Florida for the botched investigation of the girl there, or the florida beaches where two children in a week were attacked by a shark because no lifeguards are ever there.  Or how bout the guy that was unregistered as a sex offender, and molested over 36,000 children, should we boycott that state too?


Who is belittling her home?  Where did you find this in the exchange?  The word "boycott" is nowhere in this exchange of posts.


Several people have said many bad things about aruba, Arubagirl has been so helpfull here, and to see people bashing her is upsetting,  she's gone well beyond the "call of duty" by taking pictures of different land marks there, by posting what was said on the radio there, personally I would be a little sensitive if I worked as hard as she has to get information she's been feeding us, to turn around and hear negitive statements about her home.
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« Reply #504 on: June 28, 2005, 12:19:29 AM »

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[ The world is a big place, and it would be dishonest to say that US policies enjoy the same popularity worldwide as they do in American hearts.

 
Very, very well put.......... I think it would be a good topic to start


It would also be dishonest to say that US policies enjoy that popularity in ALL American hearts.
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« Reply #505 on: June 28, 2005, 12:19:38 AM »

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y'alls.....ArubaGirl said the neighbor of a friend of one of her mom's coworkers was the source......


The source for the Kalpoes washing their car at 2/3 am the night Natalee disappeared?


from Dan Riehl's site:  

One point made was that a search of the vehicle showed no traces of hair bel;onging to the Alabama teenager in the car driven by the Kalpoes that night, even though all known accounts place her in the vehicle at one time or another. This suggests that the car was cleaned above and beyond what one might normally expect sometime after young Natalee was known to have been inside.



as far as them cleaning the car, i wonder if anyone has used Luminol?No matter how good you clean it, blood will always show up....
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« Reply #506 on: June 28, 2005, 12:20:01 AM »

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If the U.S. government steps in there WILL be a backlash. I can guarantee it.


...and there should be, we are such an arrogant country!!

and i'm not being sarcastic!

 Evil or Very Mad


I couldn't agree more.  And that arrogance has been made ever more obvious by some of the comments I see on here.



Not to mention some of the people involved in the case....



Decided to come out of "lurk mode" tonight.  

I guess I am of the minority here, but I am proud to be an American and live in the U.S.   I also love Aruba and their people and can't wait to return there.

Yes, I am ashamed of how many of my fellow Americans have acted on this board, but I will not put down my country as a whole.
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« Reply #507 on: June 28, 2005, 12:20:09 AM »

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Assuming that Joran and Natalee got into the car at C &C's, could they have been carrying drinks, and spilled one in the car?

If Deepak is fussy about his car, he might want to clean it up before going to bed.

I am leaning toward the theory that for whatever reason, the brothers agreed to lie for their friend when they thought it was just a case of a girl who was temporarily not where she was supposed to be, but would turn up.

Young girls do not disappear on Aruba with great frequency, and they are both young. It is possible that they had no idea of the seriousness of the situation, and when they did realize it, that is when their story changed.



Innocent people dont change their stories and create fake alibis.  The truth only comes naturally if you dont have anything to hide.



Your right, they were obviously hiding the fact that their friend was last with her, for fear of being WRONGLY accused.
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« Reply #508 on: June 28, 2005, 12:20:48 AM »

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Does anyone else feel a little disheartened tonight? There was news on Riehl world about dogs finding a 'hit'...Once again I'm left with a feeling that this will never get solved. There will be no body, noone will confess, it will go down as one of the great mysteries. I really hope I'm wrong.


I felt this way all day yesterday, but I decided to stay hopeful and prayerful for the family's sake. If we're this discouraged, you know they are much more so...
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« Reply #509 on: June 28, 2005, 12:20:59 AM »

if the kalpoes were indeed cleaning the car at 2 am and it was vomit in the backseat, does vomit have enough dna in it to trace?  From saliva?
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« Reply #510 on: June 28, 2005, 12:21:10 AM »

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I guess I am of the minority here, but I am proud to be an American and live in the U.S.  

Yes, I am ashamed of how many of my fellow Americans have acted on this board, but I will not put down my country as a whole.


Well, I guess it's you and me then.

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« Reply #511 on: June 28, 2005, 12:21:21 AM »

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I'd sure like to think most parents would help someone in a search for their missing child, particularly when their son was one of the last 3 know people to be seen with her.


I think that's the key here.  I try to put myself in their position, and I can definitely see me going there in the middle of the night, no question.  But I cannot picture ANYONE reacting to my hysteria/tears/emotions the way the VDS family did.  And let's forget about Joran's attitude for a minute...it just seems like the family would have reacted to them differently.  And if they had been more helpful/caring/empathetic, the Holloway/Twitty group would not have had the attitude they did....if they did.  

And by the way, how come we believe they even HAD an attitude when we weren't there???


We really don't know for sure.  However, we do know that it got heated, and that Paulus VDS said that they can't come in there like that because "This isn't America."
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« Reply #512 on: June 28, 2005, 12:21:55 AM »

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if the kalpoes were indeed cleaning the car at 2 am and it was vomit in the backseat, does vomit have enough dna in it to trace?  From saliva?


I wonder if that could be the stain....
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« Reply #513 on: June 28, 2005, 12:22:08 AM »

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if the kalpoes were indeed cleaning the car at 2 am and it was vomit in the backseat, does vomit have enough dna in it to trace?  From saliva?



yes, dl..it does...
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« Reply #514 on: June 28, 2005, 12:22:15 AM »

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if the kalpoes were indeed cleaning the car at 2 am and it was vomit in the backseat, does vomit have enough dna in it to trace?  From saliva?


They admitted that Nat was in the car so her dna being present is irrelavent.
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« Reply #515 on: June 28, 2005, 12:22:19 AM »

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He didn't ask them because apparently the Holloways were so rude he threw them out -- told them to leave. When they became so accusatory at that point, MOST parents would tell their underage son to "Say Nothing" -- I would have done the same thing if pit bulls attacked in the middle of the night.  Wouldn't most parents? C'monnnnnn. Rolling Eyes


I'd sure like to think most parents would help someone in a search for their missing child, particularly when their son was one of the last 3 know people to be seen with her.

On the other hand, I have to wonder how much of a "Cowboy" attitude was happening that night with Jug and his 5 friends descending on the house.  I hope that didn't contribute to Joran's (and possibly Paulus') refusal to tell the truth.



I think its apparent that whatever happened, the chances of finding the truth have been severly altered by Jug and his friends.
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« Reply #516 on: June 28, 2005, 12:22:52 AM »

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Assuming that Joran and Natalee got into the car at C &C's, could they have been carrying drinks, and spilled one in the car?

If Deepak is fussy about his car, he might want to clean it up before going to bed.

I am leaning toward the theory that for whatever reason, the brothers agreed to lie for their friend when they thought it was just a case of a girl who was temporarily not where she was supposed to be, but would turn up.

Young girls do not disappear on Aruba with great frequency, and they are both young. It is possible that they had no idea of the seriousness of the situation, and when they did realize it, that is when their story changed.



Innocent people dont change their stories and create fake alibis.  The truth only comes naturally if you dont have anything to hide.


If human behavior were that simple, whole industries, from mental health care to law enforcement, would be flipping burgers at McDonald's!


Luckily when it comes to human behavior with regards to a crime, it is that simple.
When suspects continually lie and their story cant be verified, that tells the investigators that their focus is in within the ones that evidently have something to hide.


What they have to hide may not be what you are looking to find.
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« Reply #517 on: June 28, 2005, 12:23:56 AM »

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if the kalpoes were indeed cleaning the car at 2 am and it was vomit in the backseat, does vomit have enough dna in it to trace?  From saliva?


They admitted that Nat was in the car so her dna being present is irrelavent.


But if it were vomit it would give us a key to her condition.  We have heard rumors of her being drunk to appearing ok.
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« Reply #518 on: June 28, 2005, 12:24:31 AM »

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I'd sure like to think most parents would help someone in a search for their missing child, particularly when their son was one of the last 3 know people to be seen with her.


I think that's the key here.  I try to put myself in their position, and I can definitely see me going there in the middle of the night, no question.  But I cannot picture ANYONE reacting to my hysteria/tears/emotions the way the VDS family did.  And let's forget about Joran's attitude for a minute...it just seems like the family would have reacted to them differently.  And if they had been more helpful/caring/empathetic, the Holloway/Twitty group would not have had the attitude they did....if they did.  

And by the way, how come we believe they even HAD an attitude when we weren't there???


Okay... I hate quotes within quotes...but too tired to remove them

First of all, pinemeadows, this encounter has been discussed, IMHO ad nauseum....but that doesn't mean newer people weren't here for that discourse.

I would just like to say that intitially, PvdS's somewhat angry reaction late in the interaction between the groups (after taking the Twitty's to the casino, hearing from Joran, then going back home) was the main reason I thought something was up with the vdS's.  

HOWEVER, I read a report of the episode....either Aruban newspaper or Alabama newspaper....and toward the end of that first encounter, Jug essentially lept forward and outright accused the son of taking Natalee.  Now we still don't know what really happened....Joran may be involved, but HE MAY NOT BE...per Greta tonight....there are several other possibilities, none of which can be eliminated given the lack of evidence.

But the account I read of Jug verbally attacking the son, coupled with his subsequent "not for prime time" interviews that have garnered him little to no respect...shed some light on why PvdS reacted the way he did that first night....IMVHO.
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« Reply #519 on: June 28, 2005, 12:25:42 AM »

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if the kalpoes were indeed cleaning the car at 2 am and it was vomit in the backseat, does vomit have enough dna in it to trace?  From saliva?


They admitted that Nat was in the car so her dna being present is irrelavent.


But if it were vomit it would give us a key to her condition.  We have heard rumors of her being drunk to appearing ok.


Ahh okey I see what you are saying,  They would probably be able to test for some type of drug also.
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