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« Reply #660 on: June 28, 2005, 03:36:42 AM »

Looks like the judge burned the Aruba cops pretty badly. The people released lied and misled the case while the victims fate yet unknown. Were they going to let the 2 guards take a fall? I think yes.

Any doubt in Joran's head he need only wait it out was erased by that release. Confirms they only were leveraging for a confession and have no evidence.

The truth is buried in the lies like little grains of white quatz in a handful of sand. look closely.
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« Reply #661 on: June 28, 2005, 03:59:51 AM »

http://connect.tickle.com/profile/index.html?id=B8fcndTVXSCbuuPZ

clicked on Deepaks friend Jamie then his friend Locoman and see that he's pretty blunt about what his interests are
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« Reply #662 on: June 28, 2005, 04:17:29 AM »

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 Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 2:30 pm    Post subject: Dutchlady Posted This  

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This is in the Theory and Speculation thread, check it out.


By Dutchlady.


I believe that the situation was that the father was out, and did not see the dogs bark and the gate open and the car come to take Joran back to the nightclub as his mother states she is the disciplinarian. I have reason to think all three took Natalee back to his flat, and there was no lighthouse, beach, or other public location due to the cognitive reasoning shown by his behaviourisms which his mother puts into a very graphic constructive picture of her 'boy' and his traits. He does not rough it.

A profusely sweating husband who is used to hearing deviant behaviour charges and has knowledge of criminology and behaviours as one would expect of a judge in training is showing on camera extreme unease. The veins stand out on his forehead, he evades the cameras lens, and takes the opportunity to escape to the phone. On coming back the sweat running down his face is gone, he is composed again. He is not in his wifes emotional circle as he was responsible for his son, when his son went out to take this girl. a persons daughter, in the middle of the night. His whole attitude from the start has been wrong in what he should have done listening the remarks from Natalees husband and his statements. Now that the island sees this the emotional card come in. It is too little to late.

Joran and his friends I believe would take the easiest route as do not like to get themselves dirty on public beaches, there is no evidence they do this. I suggest that the rage pattern is abandonment rage, and remember his mother was away in Holland. If Joran took someone home to his flat and no one was there, the dogs, and cars would not be noticed. The excuse of the computer and call I put forward as to be is a red herrring, for he was there already I would say as the easiest thing that could be done at this time of the night. This is a lad that eats at fast food outlets, not gourmet restaurants and frequents casino's with someone elses money. Does he work???

Therefore in my research of predator disposal patterns I have found whether a living person is held hostage, or killed, it depends on the mind of the highest in the pack, and at present I do not have a fixed point of the main decision maker. That is why I feel more arrests have to come. This is way to specialised for a 17 year old in that their is no sign of the girl or her belongings since he took her with him, not the other way round. A more advanced mind and some planning results in hiding evidence and a person, as some dispose in the open, or run away, none of these did this. They blamed a lower socio ecomic workers as escaping so they thought justice. They lied, and lied and lied and implicated others which is an offence. Perverting the course of justice, lying in a police statement, using up public funded resources, etc, etc.

The father knows something that is clear from his biological actions shown on camera with his wife, what that is he has divulge to his wife, the police, and his superiors. He is at risk of a stroke if this pressure keeps up, and would worry more of his health than his deviant son and his friends. None of their family of those incarcerated is saying it is a nightmare, or coming forward and one must ask are they silenced in this for some reason??? I also think the Deepak email, at least one is in part genuine, but as the whole message heading is missing it could have been deleted by someone as the names are.

We must not let this be seen emotional blackmail as families as personality disorder specialists know are apt to be in denial because of its financial,social and communitiy implications. Every consulting room sees such denials. Natalee I would be looking for at that house and around the estate that is off limits to the public. Reasonable assumption in all missing persons cases as starting point. Remember Fred West. No one was missing till a rumour started. Remember Jamie Bulger. Remember Amber Swartz, Nicky Campbell, the latter are still causing a cloud over one person even though he is in an elevated position. 'Stalemate'. is very apt
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« Reply #663 on: June 28, 2005, 04:29:41 AM »

http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/?p=1192#comments

TVMom wrote:
Although I am not an active poster and I've only posted twice so far, I have been viewing this site for many, many days. Today I read some odd, perhaps insightful but interesting posts from people known as Simian, Babalu, New Girl and Shango. Some were written code-like and others were trying to decipher. Has any useful info been established from these postings?
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June 27th, 2005 at 12:25 pm Here’s one translation from internet:There is no lightening for the cattle tenders. This monkey jamas would mention the suffering of another one with excalmación. It is necessary to wait for, because hancha is very and very deep that hollow water plenty. The boy has a history with that area. He looks for Aruba and he looks for Noord, he looks for Mountain and busc Moko. The possibility becomes reality. That is the hope.
 
June 27th, 2005 at 12:30 pm Shango is now repeating (again and again) that Babalu hit the nail on the head with the following post:Babalú Says:

June 27th, 2005 at 12:30 am
ConcernedNo, I guess he is head of some local official corps. He is the guy that knows everything and that has been in the house of Babylonians NOT seeking pleasure for himself, so Shango says. So maybe he went to search for Natalee and he is the chief of Polis.

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June 27th, 2005 at 12:34 pm One post made yesterday by Simian was a confirmation for me that he’s got legit inside information. At 4:04 pm he posted:
Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:04 pm
The wire has been shaken. The bird has left. When news broke at around 6 pm that elder VDS had been ordered released by the judge and had been alreasy released from custody, it seemed clear to me that Simian knew this at 4:04.

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June 27th, 2005 at 12:38 pm The cowboys have their feet deep in the dirty water. They are confident in their equipment. Babylonians are there to pick up when necessary. From Montana to Moko there is not much to walkThe monkey is connected to a microwave. The monsters have come to eat from the anguished/ The birdie has come down from the cable/ we have to wait a while until it becomes known to all why he leaves all his dogs dead there  

 Also, a sidenote, others mentioned that the dogs are trained to only find human remains. He mentioned that today, there was a garbage bag that the dogs were being drawn to, and when the remains were revealed it was said to be a dead dog. Can anyone explain this??
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« Reply #664 on: June 28, 2005, 04:33:06 AM »

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A Sleezzy Crew if ever there was one.  What you think the Lorenzo's picture might not be one in there...
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« Reply #665 on: June 28, 2005, 05:09:25 AM »

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A Sleezzy Crew if ever there was one.  What you think the Lorenzo's picture might not be one in there...


was trying to get a little insight on what the circle of friends consist of.
i click on deepaks friend jamie and see a picture of Jamie and Joran then i click on Jamie's friends and i see this Locoman pimp and what he lists as his interests. hasn't been much coverage on who these people run with but i suspect it's being checked out and would take considerable time
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« Reply #666 on: June 28, 2005, 05:24:46 AM »

It seems apparent to me that NH will never be found, more than likely.  If Joran hasn't talked by now, I doubt he ever will.  It is easy for me to talk but this must be an enormous expense for the Holloway and Twitty families.  To me, the release of the father shows that the Aruban government is wanting to let the case end.   Next, the release of Joran and his friends appear imminent.

I think that the goal of finding NH might be an impossible one, and finding justice for her as well.  It appears to be getting bleaker each day.  It might be prudent to accept that this case will always be a mystery, unfortunately.  That no matter how hard anyone tries, the girl has vanished in thin air.   There are many cases like this one, like the Etan Patz case in the 70's in New York City.   I think we all must start thinking that its possible the case may never come to a satisfactory conclusion.
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« Reply #667 on: June 28, 2005, 05:40:04 AM »

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It seems apparent to me that NH will never be found, more than likely.  If Joran hasn't talked by now, I doubt he ever will.  It is easy for me to talk but this must be an enormous expense for the Holloway and Twitty families.  To me, the release of the father shows that the Aruban government is wanting to let the case end.   Next, the release of Joran and his friends appear imminent.

I think that the goal of finding NH might be an impossible one, and finding justice for her as well.  It appears to be getting bleaker each day.  It might be prudent to accept that this case will always be a mystery, unfortunately.  That no matter how hard anyone tries, the girl has vanished in thin air.   There are many cases like this one, like the Etan Patz case in the 70's in New York City.   I think we all must start thinking that its possible the case may never come to a satisfactory conclusion.


I tend to agree. I also feel some older individuals took care of the permanent disposal
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« Reply #668 on: June 28, 2005, 05:56:24 AM »

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http://www.riehlworldview.com/.shared/image.html?/photos/uncategorized/susp_4.jpg


Wonder who's hand that is on the boys shoulder, not Joran's...[/img]
The Elusive Lorenzo's??? Shocked  Shocked  Shocked


Someone on Scared Monkeys posted two websites several days ago supposedly associated with elusive camera shy Lorenzo www.MrPinkProductions.com and www.guide2paradise.com...   nobody has mentioned it again..so maybe not true just rumor... but interesting sites nonetheless Rolling Eyes
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« Reply #669 on: June 28, 2005, 06:35:05 AM »

TIM MILLER FROM TEXAS SEARCH TEAM NOW ON TOP 95

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« Reply #670 on: June 28, 2005, 06:39:14 AM »

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Wondering if Red or Tom could edit the old Beastie Boys song "Brass Monkey" to Scared Monkey and play it in the background at night when things are slow....


Beastie Boys???  What are those?   Confused
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« Reply #671 on: June 28, 2005, 06:51:14 AM »

OK, TIM MILLER FROM TEXAS SEARCH TEAM SAID MORE OR LESS THE FOLLOWING:

That he was disturbed by the way the press media handled during their search at the quarry.

He said that due to some reporters, they requested the police from Aruba to use those markerlint (those DO NOT CROSS lines) to keep everybody furter away than they first permitted.

He said also that even IF they find the body, they will pretend like they DID NOT find the body, just to return sneaky another time later, and do their job without the hindrance from the press media.

So....we'll just have to wait for more news.

Teo..
PS: Goodmorning USA and Aruba.
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« Reply #672 on: June 28, 2005, 06:54:36 AM »

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OK, TIM MILLER FROM TEXAS SEARCH TEAM SAID MORE OR LESS THE FOLLOWING:

Teo..
PS: Goodmorning USA and Aruba.

Good morning and thanks to you Teo.  (and to Aruba as well)
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« Reply #673 on: June 28, 2005, 06:55:29 AM »

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It seems apparent to me that NH will never be found, more than likely.  If Joran hasn't talked by now, I doubt he ever will.  It is easy for me to talk but this must be an enormous expense for the Holloway and Twitty families.  To me, the release of the father shows that the Aruban government is wanting to let the case end.   Next, the release of Joran and his friends appear imminent.

I think that the goal of finding NH might be an impossible one, and finding justice for her as well.  It appears to be getting bleaker each day.  It might be prudent to accept that this case will always be a mystery, unfortunately.  That no matter how hard anyone tries, the girl has vanished in thin air.   There are many cases like this one, like the Etan Patz case in the 70's in New York City.   I think we all must start thinking that its possible the case may never come to a satisfactory conclusion.


I tend to agree. I also feel some older individuals took care of the permanent disposal


Let's hope the truth will eventually be aired.
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« Reply #674 on: June 28, 2005, 07:04:49 AM »

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http://www.riehlworldview.com/.shared/image.html?/photos/uncategorized/susp_4.jpg


Wonder who's hand that is on the boys shoulder, not Joran's...[/img]


It is someone named Freddy, saw the complete picture with names somewhere, I will check if I can find the link again.
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« Reply #675 on: June 28, 2005, 07:20:44 AM »

BHT was just interviewed on Fox & Friends this morning.  She was asked about the 90 minute meeting with Paul.  She said he was sweating so profusely that sweat was dripping onto the table and Anita had to get a towel and wipe it up.  Also mentioned that in contrast to SC who was smiling when he was released from jail, Paul was sweating
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« Reply #676 on: June 28, 2005, 07:29:53 AM »

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If the U.S. government steps in there WILL be a backlash. I can guarantee it.


The U.S. government will not step in.


oh yea they would, especially if they/he thought it would continue to take US minds off of some issues the gov does not want us thinking about! Such as, why Haliburton has earned about over 400 mill for services not rendered in Iraq, why KBR serves out of date food to our soldiers, why the 10 commandments can be displayed on publicly owned property in Texas and not anywhere else, why the gov can take your little house so a bigger house or McDonald's can be built, why we don't see the flag draped coffins coming back from Iraq, why a reporter/lacky who actually REPORTED the name of a CIA operative goes about his business unscathed while 2 other reporters who NEVER reported that same operative's name face 18 months in jail or, well I could go on but I will stop at these few reasons. Yes sir, if they think it would continue to divert US minds from important issues, they would step in even if unsuccessful.
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« Reply #677 on: June 28, 2005, 07:30:45 AM »

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, its a duck.

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BHT was just interviewed on Fox & Friends this morning.  She was asked about the 90 minute meeting with Paul.  She said he was sweating so profusely that sweat was dripping onto the table and Anita had to get a towel and wipe it up.  Also mentioned that in contrast to SC who was smiling when he was released from jail, Paul was sweating


I didn't know this till I learned last night but did you know that a ducks quack is the only sound of a species that won't echo?

This boys know more.  Please, dear God, may the TRUTH be known.
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« Reply #678 on: June 28, 2005, 07:33:10 AM »

Good morning, Monkey's!  Just wanted to say hello, and pray that today is the day something will be resolved.  I can only imagine the level of frustration Natalee's family is feeling, as I feel frustrated myself.  I still pray she's alive, never giving up hope.
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« Reply #679 on: June 28, 2005, 07:34:29 AM »

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AubraGirl,,, Just a question,,,,Since the LE does not give out any info, do you think they could have info and it not leak?   In the US,,,nothing is secret,,everybody "leaks" not matter,,,
Am just curious if it would get on the street?


I will say this, the Aruban LE and prosecutor's office sure don't leak. By now in the US we would have heard almost everything LE has, by leaks of some kind, either intentional or unintentional.

On GVS show last night, M Croes said the family of Natalee "could" call for a meeting with the prosecutors office at any time. I wonder if Beth and family have been offered this before, or if they had only been able to speak with the police?
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