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« Reply #700 on: June 28, 2005, 08:32:51 AM »

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Fox News just said the Police Commissioner is Joran's Godfather.


Well that just thickened this plot tremendously!


Lemon, I hope you saw the apology I wrote for my rude comment last week. I am glad to see you are still here, and look for ward to talking with you .


MsPooh, Liked your quote, I have another similar, Lire is a myster to be lived NOT a problem to be solved.


mmmmmmmm Geraldo "reported" a couple of weeks ago that he had an impeachable source telling him something to the effect ( not a direct quote ) " How can I investigate this family"  making it seem there was no need to question motives of these family members. Shocked Maybe this is why, and smacks of a big problem. I wish I had seen or heard this before I posted above about my biggest problem being the most recent judge's decision.
I think this commisioner should immediately recuse himself. That relationship at the very least gives the appearance of impropriety to this entire investigation.   Mad
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« Reply #701 on: June 28, 2005, 08:34:56 AM »

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.phoenix: this also is from #1192

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ztriggz Says:

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Local LE was involved very early on and now they are screwed…
It seems many are in fear over there, of what?
I know what I’d fear in Los Angeles if I witnessed a crime commited by a cop.
I’d fear other cops and more so thier puppetmasters.
There’s alot more dirt to be uncovered… hopefully it occurs and Aruba will
get cleaned up. The locals would love to get rid of some bad elements there.

read this it explains much of thier message:

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No, I guess he is head of some local official corps. He is the guy that knows everything and that has been in the house of Babylonians NOT seeking pleasure for himself,


June 27th, 2005 at 1:52 pm
i agree ztriggz. esp considering a member(s) of the polis may be involved. they would just steer everyone away from that area. they didn’t have much time to dispose of her body.


sounds like a HIGH-ranking member of the Aruban polis is also heavily involved...could be stalling simultaneous w/coverup


right obvious, now we know what this may have meant with the relationship now being reported. This is so wrong. so wrong. Evil or Very Mad
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« Reply #702 on: June 28, 2005, 08:35:05 AM »

It seems WE don't have a chance here. Crying or Very sad  Crying or Very sad
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« Reply #703 on: June 28, 2005, 08:41:07 AM »

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Fox News just said the Police Commissioner is Joran's Godfather.


Well that just thickened this plot tremendously!


Lemon, I hope you saw the apology I wrote for my rude comment last week. I am glad to see you are still here, and look for ward to talking with you .


MsPooh, Liked your quote, I have another similar, Lire is a myster to be lived NOT a problem to be solved.


mmmmmmmm Geraldo "reported" a couple of weeks ago that he had an impeachable source telling him something to the effect ( not a direct quote ) " How can I investigate this family"  making it seem there was no need to question motives of these family members. Shocked Maybe this is why, and smacks of a big problem. I wish I had seen or heard this before I posted above about my biggest problem being the most recent judge's decision.
I think this commisioner should immediately recuse himself. That relationship at the very least gives the appearance of impropriety to this entire investigation.   Mad


From a very credible witness, in the very beginning he said "How can I arrest my best friend's son."
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« Reply #704 on: June 28, 2005, 08:42:47 AM »

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A compilation of different posts by a mysterious poster:
June 27th, 2005 at 9:51 pm
DirtyHand walks with the Babylons, the Arawaks and is consort to the fallen elder
 
I know this might be far fetched but this guy really spooked me enough to take a closer look.


This gives me the chills.  Where were these posts made?  In this forum?
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« Reply #705 on: June 28, 2005, 08:46:23 AM »

Oh, it gets much deeper too. read through the posts in this link. I guess some were from here too. I think he is trying to say that we need to look at the casino (maze). check it out and let me know what you think.


http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/06/natalee_hollowa_50.html
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« Reply #706 on: June 28, 2005, 08:46:58 AM »

Morning ALL,
Anyone know what became of the supposed "hit" by the dogs at the quarry near VDS home yesterday? Was it just a rumor?  I thought it odd that Fox nor CNN was reporting anything about this but Riehl was reporting it as breaking news as well as some posts on this board.
Any ideas?  What a corrupt government they are running there. Rolling Eyes
This is SO SAD.
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« Reply #707 on: June 28, 2005, 08:48:21 AM »

This news of the "godfather" explains what Beth was talking about on GVS last pm---when she was saying she questioned how "well-connected" joran was.......She must have known this then.  
AND, it explains why joran may not be talking. Does he feel safe? Has he been told by any other legal authorities besides his father, to not speak of what happened that night.
Sadly this revelation may just speak volumes, volumes no one wants to even think about. Will Natalee's disappearance go unsolved because of family politics? I pray not.

Arubagirl and other Aruban friends: Please do not construe my being upset about this "godfather" report, as being upset with Aruba. I think you have a beautiful country, and by all accounts Natalee's family is being cared for and treated well by the Aruban people. I am still coming there. Many posters will be upset and mad about this development. Be prepared.
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« Reply #708 on: June 28, 2005, 08:48:23 AM »

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it is time for a lot of people to wake up here, stop being in denial. aruban government and LE want this to go away.........the majority of their interest in solvong this case or getting answers is to save/cover their ass. it is very obvious. i am not saying aruba is bad or it's people aren't good........but i am saying that this cased was doomed from the start.

i would also bet big that if the media wasn't all over this, they would kicked the holloways out by now.

it is just an embarassment(just like many we have faced here in the US) for aruba to have the world see its only major case and biggest crime in years go so poorly because of ineptness in the people leading the goverment and LE.

i could start a thread on all the things they botched.........2 different judges(1 detains PVDS, the other releases him), letting key suspects go to surveil them(but forgetting to collect the physical evidence-DUH), etc

wake up people!!!!!


I agree the Aruban LE and regular Arubans want this to "go away" but to go away the "right" way. The legally/morally correct way. I have to believe they did not make mistakes intentionally. I have to believe that in order to believe it will be solved. I know sometimes denial is more than a river. I do question one thing big time, apparently the Aruban prosecutor really believed PVDS should have remained in custody, and still consider him a suspect per M. Croes. Did this new judge put a higher threshold on the prosecution because of "who" he is and/or what PVDS may know? I think this is the one issue I really really think stinks so far. I would like to know if PVDS and this new judge have ever had any knowledge of one another. I think another permanant judge should be brought in to review and preside over this case, but not from any of the islands. Perhaps a judge from the Netherlands who previously had worked in Aruba so he/she would know the lay of the legal land so to speak. I understand judges and prosecutors are rotated every so many years, so I know there has to be one somewhere with no dog in the fight, except justice. Note, I am not accusing anyone of doing something wrong, I just have a question about this judge's decision.
It is so hard for us not to have transparency we are used to here in the US, that said, how many times have we complained here because we felt we were not being told enough in other criminal matters---like when "gag orders" are used. Even then here in the US, those are usually circumvented somehow. In Aruba, not leaking info has been taken to a new height to us Americans.
I also believe and pray Aruban LE have a lot more than we know or even that Natalee's family knows. I don't think they want the legacy of never finding what happened to an innocent American girl hanging over their heads legally, morally or politically.
 

We need to know more about judges in the antilles.  i supsect a judge shortage and remember they have the initital problem of conflict of interest in aruba since Paul is an officer of the court there so they can't use local judges.  the ostensible reason why they changed judges is that the other one, Wit, joined the Caribbean Court.  I don't know if it is normal to have diffferent judges in the same case in the instructional phase.  I have the impression it is not normal to release somebody after the 48 hour police holding period if the prosecutor wants 10 days more.  Of course this could have been the result of an express request for judicial review of the initial detention and its basis.  This may have forced the judge to look at the evidence for reasonable suspicion and find it lacking rather than taking the prosecutor's word for it.  We can expect Paul to have a good attorney and to participate in his own defense strategy and he is a very knowledgeable person on this.  Why are these Dutch judges and Dutch prosecutors.  Is it because the whole system ispart of the dutch systems or becasue they have a local shortage.  Who pays the salaries of these officials, the dutch government or the Arubans?
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« Reply #709 on: June 28, 2005, 08:50:43 AM »

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Quote from: "tkubi7"
A compilation of different posts by a mysterious poster:
June 27th, 2005 at 9:51 pm
DirtyHand walks with the Babylons, the Arawaks and is consort to the fallen elder
 
I know this might be far fetched but this guy really spooked me enough to take a closer look.


This gives me the chills.  Where were these posts made?  In this forum?
On the Scared Monkeys' frontpage. Check the 700+ comments under 'Afternoon Update'.

It's scary stuff. Maybe the mentioned posters are some sickos playing games, what if they aren't... Shudder to think...
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« Reply #710 on: June 28, 2005, 08:51:33 AM »

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Wondering if Red or Tom could edit the old Beastie Boys song "Brass Monkey" to Scared Monkey and play it in the background at night when things are slow....


Beastie Boys???  What are those?   Confused


The Beastie Boys were a popular rap/music group in the 1980's.  Brass Monkey was there biggest hit.
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« Reply #711 on: June 28, 2005, 08:51:41 AM »

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Quote from: "MsPooh"
Quote from: "LemonDrop"
Fox News just said the Police Commissioner is Joran's Godfather.


Well that just thickened this plot tremendously!


Lemon, I hope you saw the apology I wrote for my rude comment last week. I am glad to see you are still here, and look for ward to talking with you .


MsPooh, Liked your quote, I have another similar, Lire is a myster to be lived NOT a problem to be solved.
 

Before we go off on a tangent, (or believe fox) remember Arubagirl's assessment of this man as a straight arrow who "would take in his own wife" is there were a suspicion.
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« Reply #712 on: June 28, 2005, 08:53:27 AM »

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snipped for bandwidth saving:... I would like to know if PVDS and this new judge have ever had any knowledge of one another. I think another permanant judge should be brought in to review and preside over this case, but not from any of the islands. Perhaps a judge from the Netherlands who previously had worked in Aruba so he/she would know the lay of the legal land so to speak. I understand judges and prosecutors are rotated every so many years, so I know there has to be one somewhere with no dog in the fight, except justice. Note, I am not accusing anyone of doing something wrong, I just have a question about this judge's decision.
 

We need to know more about judges in the antilles.  i supsect a judge shortage and remember they have the initital problem of conflict of interest in aruba since Paul is an officer of the court there so they can't use local judges.  the ostensible reason why they changed judges is that the other one, Wit, joined the Caribbean Court.  I don't know if it is normal to have diffferent judges in the same case in the instructional phase.  I have the impression it is not normal to release somebody after the 48 hour police holding period if the prosecutor wants 10 days more.  Of course this could have been the result of an express request for judicial review of the initial detention and its basis.  This may have forced the judge to look at the evidence for reasonable suspicion and find it lacking rather than taking the prosecutor's word for it.  We can expect Paul to have a good attorney and to participate in his own defense strategy and he is a very knowledgeable person on this.  Why are these Dutch judges and Dutch prosecutors.  Is it because the whole system ispart of the dutch systems or becasue they have a local shortage.  Who pays the salaries of these officials, the dutch government or the Arubans?



those are good questions. According to M. Croes, the Dutch are invovled because although Aruba became independent in 1986, it is still one of 3 parts of the Netherlands kingdom, a protectorate. The islands and the Netherlands all share the same Supreme Court as well.
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« Reply #713 on: June 28, 2005, 08:58:21 AM »

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Oh, it gets much deeper too. read through the posts in this link. I guess some were from here too. I think he is trying to say that we need to look at the casino (maze). check it out and let me know what you think.


http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/06/natalee_hollowa_50.html


Money Talks:If the casino notion is valid, the best thing the Holloways can do is solicit contributions, and change the wording of their offer posted on Riehl World to read "...now offering $150,000 for ANY information leading to the arrest and conviction of persons connected to her disappearance....."  I wonder what $150,000US would equal in Aruba?  

f/ Riehl World <<The family of Natalee Holloway is now offering $150.000.00 for the Safe Return or information that will lead to the safe return of Natalee. A Reward and Recovery Trusts have been set up through Amsouth Bank in Birmingham, AL.>>
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« Reply #714 on: June 28, 2005, 08:58:37 AM »

FYI:  the kid joran pushed in the dunkin donuts did not go thru the plate glass according to Dan
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« Reply #715 on: June 28, 2005, 08:58:51 AM »

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Before we go off on a tangent, (or believe fox) remember Arubagirl's assessment of this man as a straight arrow who "would take in his own wife" is there were a suspicion.


Good point! after all we all know the roller coaster we went thru with fox and cnn that one horrible "confession" weekend.
But as I said, this guy could be a straight arrow, however, it smacks of impropriety. Even if he would not do anything questionable, would underlings perhaps not be as much a "straight arrow" because of who all the players are.
This happens in every country, every where. Access is power, everyone knows that. For one party who is suspected of a crime to have access to power and the victims not to have the same access is dangerous.
I wonder if Natalee's family has met with the prosecutors as offered by M.Croes last pm. I also wonder if this was a new offer or is this something new.
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« Reply #716 on: June 28, 2005, 08:59:49 AM »

Quote from: "KackyLacky"
Quote from: "bogey_blusey_chaston"
Quote from: "MsPooh"
Quote from: "LemonDrop"
Fox News just said the Police Commissioner is Joran's Godfather.


Well that just thickened this plot tremendously!


Lemon, I hope you saw the apology I wrote for my rude comment last week. I am glad to see you are still here, and look for ward to talking with you .


MsPooh, Liked your quote, I have another similar, Lire is a myster to be lived NOT a problem to be solved.


mmmmmmmm Geraldo "reported" a couple of weeks ago that he had an impeachable source telling him something to the effect ( not a direct quote ) " How can I investigate this family"  making it seem there was no need to question motives of these family members. Shocked Maybe this is why, and smacks of a big problem. I wish I had seen or heard this before I posted above about my biggest problem being the most recent judge's decision.
I think this commisioner should immediately recuse himself. That relationship at the very least gives the appearance of impropriety to this entire investigation.   Mad


He said, "I have an impeccable source, an impeccable source. . ."  Unfortunately, I believe it is too late to save this investigation. Valuable time has been lost, valuable evidence was never secured, and no one will ever bring this case to a resolution. The Aruban people just want this case to go away.

I still can't get over the women lining up to hand flowers and potted plants over the van der Sloot gate. Something is terribly wrong with that picture.
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« Reply #717 on: June 28, 2005, 09:00:51 AM »

FYI from Riehl post:

To those in the USA the time is now to act. We would appreciate some help from those of you in Aruba and the Netherlands.

I have just sent emails to my elected officials in the US, the FBI, and the Dutch government offices in the Netherlands and Washington DC. Tomorrow I start my telephone calls to the same, and will keep calling and resending each day.

Let's go, all of you seem fairly capable of contacting these offices as well.

Here's a head start on contacts:

http://www.netherlands-embassy.org/location.asp

Netherlands Consulate
New Orleans, la
netherlandsconsulate@mcglinchey.com (email)

Netherlands Embassy
Washington, DC
was@minbuza.nl (email)
www.netherlands-embassy.org (website)

FBI
http://www.fbi.gov/contactus.htm

US Government contacts;
http://www.congress.org/congressorg/dbq/officials/


Start sending money to the Holloway fund or Texas Equusearch:

http://www.amsouth.com/special/natalee.asp
http://www.texasequusearch.org/index.htm

Here is more contact info:

http://www.selmatimesjournal.com/articles/2005/06/27/news/letters/letter930.txt

It's time to start loading down other networks, and not just the bloggers. Let's show the US, Aruba and the Netherlands what we are made up. Keep the pressure HIGH!!!!!!!!!!

Please post other offices to contact, along with their phone and web/email addresses.

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« Reply #718 on: June 28, 2005, 09:02:24 AM »

if it is part of the dutch kingdom it is not independent though.  aruba separated form the netherlands antilles not from holland.  i suspect they have a pure dutch legal system because they are part of the netherlands.  i know the courts are directly under the dutch justice ministry and paul's appointment as substitute judge was from that Dutch Ministry.

queen beatrix is due out there this summer and the justice minister is over there this week
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« Reply #719 on: June 28, 2005, 09:02:59 AM »

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If the U.S. government steps in there WILL be a backlash. I can guarantee it.


The U.S. government will not step in.


oh yea they would, especially if they/he thought it would continue to take US minds off of some issues the gov does not want us thinking about! Such as, why Haliburton has earned about over 400 mill for services not rendered in Iraq, why KBR serves out of date food to our soldiers, why the 10 commandments can be displayed on publicly owned property in Texas and not anywhere else, why the gov can take your little house so a bigger house or McDonald's can be built, why we don't see the flag draped coffins coming back from Iraq, why a reporter/lacky who actually REPORTED the name of a CIA operative goes about his business unscathed while 2 other reporters who NEVER reported that same operative's name face 18 months in jail or, well I could go on but I will stop at these few reasons. Yes sir, if they think it would continue to divert US minds from important issues, they would step in even if unsuccessful.



Kacky - Absolutely right!!!
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