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« Reply #800 on: June 28, 2005, 10:39:07 AM »

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Quote from: "GreatOwl I saw this yesterday.  It just appears that  it is a type of code which HSers use to communicate with each other.  It isn't too cryptic at all.  Just as the hand signals[/quote


How can you be certain that this is a HS code?  And even if it is, whose to say they don't know something. So far, this "investigation" has led to nothing. I say investigate anything.  Maybe someone is trying to get the word out without being fingered and possibly sent to jail or worse.

We don't know how other's minds work and if this is a joke, it is a pretty sick one at that but interestingly, some of these things have not been explored (fully) and maybe should be.


sorry, I have been away from the computer.  I never said it wasn't significant or that it should not be investigated.  I merely said it sounded like it came from HSers or near that age.  I work with those types often and they just happen to develope their own code.  Each seems to be unique according to locale.

I would agree with many of the therories put forth as to name association.  Especially if the police chief happens to be left handed.


What does HS stand for?


HS = High School or recently graduated
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« Reply #801 on: June 28, 2005, 10:39:13 AM »

Oh, BTW, Hi, Everyone.....oops, sorry for not beginning that way. That was quite rude of me.....forgiveness??? Laughing
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« Reply #802 on: June 28, 2005, 10:40:23 AM »

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PM of Aruba was just on FOX rtalking to Geraldo.. but I couldnt understand WTH he was saying  ughhh.. sounded like he said he was going to call Dutch Government.. anyone else hear him on FOX??


Wasn't there a meeting betweeen the Minister of Justice of The Netherlands, Aruba's Rudy Croes + the Minister of Justice of the Netherlands Antilles yesterday ? I find it hard to keep track with all the info ::rolleyes::


Sorry Haka.. I cant answer that one.. maybe perhaps someone else on here can!!  Wink
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« Reply #803 on: June 28, 2005, 10:41:17 AM »

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Hey, I was watching Greta last night talking with NH's parents, and I heard Mrs. H-T say something interesting......she said something about....we've been talking to people in Washington............I took that as in D.C., and I was impressed. I don't know anyone, including myself, who has enough juice to talk to someone in Washington without causing a visit from Secret Service. Anyone else catch that? and think, hmmmmmm too?


This is from Gerben's post earlier, and correlates the above:

"There are already highlevel talks between the US and the dutch government about this case so the pressure is already high."

Gerben, how do you know this?  Was this in a newspaper?
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« Reply #804 on: June 28, 2005, 10:42:23 AM »

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if it is part of the dutch kingdom it is not independent though.  aruba separated form the netherlands antilles not from holland.  i suspect they have a pure dutch legal system because they are part of the netherlands.  i know the courts are directly under the dutch justice ministry and paul's appointment as substitute judge was from that Dutch Ministry.

queen beatrix is due out there this summer and the justice minister is over there this week


Found this as a link from a TV station in AL
Legal system:  
based on Dutch civil law system, with some English common law influence
Dependency status:  
part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands; full autonomy in internal affairs obtained in 1986 upon separation from the Netherlands Antilles; Dutch Government responsible for defense and foreign affairs
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/aa.html
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« Reply #805 on: June 28, 2005, 10:43:46 AM »

This was posted on the main page, no link

Translation:

Aruba calls for Dutch aid

WILLEMSTAD(Curaçao,SvL) Aruba is requesting
The Netherlands to defend the island towards the
American authorities. Minister of Justice Croes
hopes to offer (some) counterpoise against
"e;the ghost stories &unqoute; in American
media over the dissapearance Natalee Holloway.

Croes had a conversation yesterday at Curaçao
with Minister (of Justice in Holland, SvL) Donner en
Pechtold (Minister of “Kingdom relations”, SvL).
Croes said he was afraid of the consequences for
tourism regarding Aruba. The island is, according
to Croes being portrayed as a gamble and drug paradise
and the credibility of teh legal system is at stake.

Donner has promised to deliberate the matter with
(the Ministry of) foreign affairs (Minister Bot, Svl).
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« Reply #806 on: June 28, 2005, 10:45:23 AM »

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I think the Alabama crew knows more than they have said or more than they think they know - too bad they all went home - another part of this that just does not sit well with me - I think theyall should have to be interogated by the Arubans - also I am tired of the hunch and the intuition of Beth and Jug - if that was all invesitagtions took then solving crimes would be a cinch - I think it could be a cultural thing  I just dont think the rebels from Alabama understand the aloof Dutch!


The FBI interviewed all these kids.  In my opinion, kids have different versions of events, because they all saw and noticed things from a different perspective. One kid only saw Joran the last night...while others may have noticed him earlier in the week.

I feel confident the FBI interviews were able to find the truth and build a tight timeline of events and able to find out more about Joran and his relationship to the kids and Natalee.


NancyDrew; I cannot agree with you more. Different versions come from different kids being with or near NH at different times and reporting what they saw only when they were close. That's a good thing as opposed to them adding what they heard from others who were with her and had different perspective, they stick to only what they saw.  The FBI can piece that together and are probably thrilled about the versions not needing to be sifted. I think these kids did a great job in giving info only on their own first-hand experiences and witnessing.....that's hard to get from adults let alone high school kids.
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« Reply #807 on: June 28, 2005, 10:45:32 AM »

The greatest threat to Aruba is tourism.  I'm sure the pressure they're getting from hotel owners and Aruban establishments is huge.  It seems that kind of internal pressure is far greater than governmental pressure.  The US cannot violate laws and treaties...and they can't under any circumstances set a precedent in dealing with other possible missing person cases around the world in the future.
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« Reply #808 on: June 28, 2005, 10:46:46 AM »

Quote from: "katya"
This was posted on the main page, no link

Translation:

Aruba calls for Dutch aid

WILLEMSTAD(Curaçao,SvL) Aruba is requesting
The Netherlands to defend the island towards the
American authorities. Minister of Justice Croes
hopes to offer (some) counterpoise against
"e;the ghost stories &unqoute; in American
media over the dissapearance Natalee Holloway.

Croes had a conversation yesterday at Curaçao
with Minister (of Justice in Holland, SvL) Donner en
Pechtold (Minister of “Kingdom relations”, SvL).
Croes said he was afraid of the consequences for
tourism regarding Aruba. The island is, according
to Croes being portrayed as a gamble and drug paradise
and the credibility of teh legal system is at stake.

Donner has promised to deliberate the matter with
(the Ministry of) foreign affairs (Minister Bot, Svl).


I would probably get slammed if I said what I really want to say to that.
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« Reply #809 on: June 28, 2005, 10:47:19 AM »

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Hey, I was watching Greta last night talking with NH's parents, and I heard Mrs. H-T say something interesting......she said something about....we've been talking to people in Washington............I took that as in D.C., and I was impressed. I don't know anyone, including myself, who has enough juice to talk to someone in Washington without causing a visit from Secret Service. Anyone else catch that? and think, hmmmmmm too?


This is from Gerben's post earlier, and correlates the above:

"There are already highlevel talks between the US and the dutch government about this case so the pressure is already high."

Gerben, how do you know this?  Was this in a newspaper?


Wow......Gerben has been a reliable poster from what I have seen. I always pay attention to EVERY word in his posts. hmmmm
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« Reply #810 on: June 28, 2005, 10:48:29 AM »

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Another MB kid says that Natalee and J met for the first time the evening of 5/29 at the casino. She also says J had been around all week (actually only 4 days) Also first mention I've seen of Natalee eating dinner at the hotel.

http://www.nbc13.com/news/4658874/detail.html


hmm--this made me think:

The way he came off wasn't at all in a threatening way," Justice said. "He was really naive to everybody."

Justice and many of Holloway's friends thought van der Sloot was a fellow tourist.

"He didn't look like one of the locals and he didn't act like one of the locals," Justice said. "He acted more like he was just down there vacationing."


It was posted before-he was saying or something about him being a foreign exchange student?????  Correct me if I am wrong, please!


KackyLacky....the 'foreign exchange student reference' is from John Walsh's America's Most Wanted Site. NH was very active in a group that promotes the foreign exchange student program. Interesting to say the least......below is from AMW.com

Finally, I couldn't get thru for a while. Reading this article, do you think this is why there was the statement out there by one of Natalee's aunts or her step-mother saying Natalee left CnC's with an "exchange student" Perhaps some of the MB kids thought that was what he was, since he was not Aruban. Some have latched onto that statement, as "proof" Natalee was not with joran.

According to Natalee's stepmother, Robin Holloway, friends say Natalee was last seen with a local resident who claimed to be a foreign exchange student (AP).

http://www.amw.com/missing_persons/case.cfm?id=32411


Right PPNJ!-----that is where I saw it. Like I said the student Jaime Justice says she thought he was a tourist---and perhaps an exchange student. Could joran have misrepresented himself in order to aah--get a little more attention ( if you know what I mean ) Nantalee would not have been impressed with his last name, because she would not have know anything about it, and he probaby wanted to relay the least amount of personal info possible----kind of like when I used to give guys the wrong phone number and changed my last name so many times.
Everytime I see that TV commercial for Las Vagas where the girl uses a different TV celebrity name for each guy she met, until she meets a guy doing the same thing--I LOL......reminds me of my younger days! LOL   Cool
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« Reply #811 on: June 28, 2005, 10:49:08 AM »

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Quote from: "Just me"
Quote from: "WonderWoman"
http://www.riehlworldview.com/.shared/image.html?/photos/uncategorized/susp_4.jpg


Wonder who's hand that is on the boys shoulder, not Joran's...[/img]


It is someone named Freddy, saw the complete picture with names somewhere, I will check if I can find the link again.


This might be the Freddy you're talking about
http://connect.tickle.com/photo/index.html?albumid=.X5c4e4cTdeGBeOQ


Here are some pix of Joran I found on that site:

http://photo.tickle.com/image/2/4/6/P7/2462806P7694817337.jpg

http://photo.tickle.com/image/2/4/6/P7/2465738P7124504447.jpg

http://photo.tickle.com/image/2/4/6/P7/2462781P7063382009.jpg

http://photo.tickle.com/image/2/4/6/P7/2465740P7934217736.jpg
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« Reply #812 on: June 28, 2005, 10:49:45 AM »

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The greatest threat to Aruba is tourism.  I'm sure the pressure they're getting from hotel owners and Aruban establishments is huge.  It seems that kind of internal pressure is far greater than governmental pressure.  The US cannot violate laws and treaties...and they can't under any circumstances set a precedent in dealing with other possible missing person cases around the world in the future.


Nancy;
Is Aruba like Baja Mexico resort towns in the same as in Baja, a lot of the bars and better hotels are owned by Americans?
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« Reply #813 on: June 28, 2005, 10:50:05 AM »

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I suspect that there may be former date-rape victims of Joran van der Sloot lurking on this forum. If you are such a person, then I would advise you to contact the FBI or to send a private message to one of the founders of this forum. As a participant on this forum, I can attest that the founders of this forum are people of integrity and are people whom you can trust. You may wish to work out an agreement with them as to how you want that information to be handled, but I would urge anyone who has been victimized by this man, or who feels that she may have been given a date-rape drug by him, to have your voice heard. I will make a similar announcement at Riehl World.


Perhaps that message should be made in Aruba as well?
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« Reply #814 on: June 28, 2005, 10:50:27 AM »

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Hey, I was watching Greta last night talking with NH's parents, and I heard Mrs. H-T say something interesting......she said something about....we've been talking to people in Washington............I took that as in D.C., and I was impressed. I don't know anyone, including myself, who has enough juice to talk to someone in Washington without causing a visit from Secret Service. Anyone else catch that? and think, hmmmmmm too?


This is from Gerben's post earlier, and correlates the above:

"There are already highlevel talks between the US and the dutch government about this case so the pressure is already high."

Gerben, how do you know this?  Was this in a newspaper?


Hmmmmmmmmmm...seems like the government has quite enough to handle with the mess its made with Iraq.  Of course, they do seem to welcome any diversion.

Wow......Gerben has been a reliable poster from what I have seen. I always pay attention to EVERY word in his posts. hmmmm
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« Reply #815 on: June 28, 2005, 10:51:25 AM »

Quote from: "PoorPaulaNNJ"
Hey, I was watching Greta last night talking with NH's parents, and I heard Mrs. H-T say something interesting......she said something about....we've been talking to people in Washington............I took that as in D.C., and I was impressed. I don't know anyone, including myself, who has enough juice to talk to someone in Washington without causing a visit from Secret Service. Anyone else catch that? and think, hmmmmmm too?


Hmmmm, what? What are you implying?
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« Reply #816 on: June 28, 2005, 10:52:33 AM »

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I don't know anyone, including myself, who has enough juice to talk to someone in Washington without causing a visit from Secret Service. Anyone else catch that? and think, hmmmmmm too?


Poor Paula:

I disagree with this statement.  People lobby or talk to their state and federal officials everyday.  It's nothing new.  If that connection comes from well-heeled political donors it helps even more.  Sounds like Twitty has some powerful well connected friends.

But, folks call their congressman and senators everyday....they often deal with issues concerning family members in other countries.
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« Reply #817 on: June 28, 2005, 10:53:44 AM »

Yes, I think that statement about J being an exchange student came from another MB teen. My take on this is that Joren was referring to his upcoming US college career, where he would be an exchange student.

Don't everybody get all worked up.  Yes, the very first statements were that the last person she was seen w/ was "some Dutch foreign exchange student".  This has never thought to have been anybody but Joran.
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« Reply #818 on: June 28, 2005, 10:54:02 AM »

Quote from: "katya"
This was posted on the main page, no link

Translation:

Aruba calls for Dutch aid

WILLEMSTAD(Curaçao,SvL) Aruba is requesting
The Netherlands to defend the island towards the
American authorities. Minister of Justice Croes
hopes to offer (some) counterpoise against
"e;the ghost stories &unqoute; in American
media over the dissapearance Natalee Holloway.

Croes had a conversation yesterday at Curaçao
with Minister (of Justice in Holland, SvL) Donner en
Pechtold (Minister of “Kingdom relations”, SvL).
Croes said he was afraid of the consequences for
tourism regarding Aruba. The island is, according
to Croes being portrayed as a gamble and drug paradise
and the credibility of teh legal system is at stake.

Donner has promised to deliberate the matter with
(the Ministry of) foreign affairs (Minister Bot, Svl).


Some of my friends, here in the USA believe that if the investigation remains stalled, maybe even totally  stale-mated, that our State Department will then issue a Travel Advisory for Aruba - and that such "first-step" action would have an horrific impact on tourism there.
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« Reply #819 on: June 28, 2005, 10:54:03 AM »

Quote from: "KackyLacky"
Quote from: "PoorPaulaNNJ"
Quote from: "KackyLacky"
Quote from: "jac723"
Quote from: "katya"
Another MB kid says that Natalee and J met for the first time the evening of 5/29 at the casino. She also says J had been around all week (actually only 4 days) Also first mention I've seen of Natalee eating dinner at the hotel.

http://www.nbc13.com/news/4658874/detail.html


hmm--this made me think:

The way he came off wasn't at all in a threatening way," Justice said. "He was really naive to everybody."

Justice and many of Holloway's friends thought van der Sloot was a fellow tourist.

"He didn't look like one of the locals and he didn't act like one of the locals," Justice said. "He acted more like he was just down there vacationing."


It was posted before-he was saying or something about him being a foreign exchange student?????  Correct me if I am wrong, please!


KackyLacky....the 'foreign exchange student reference' is from John Walsh's America's Most Wanted Site. NH was very active in a group that promotes the foreign exchange student program. Interesting to say the least......below is from AMW.com

Finally, I couldn't get thru for a while. Reading this article, do you think this is why there was the statement out there by one of Natalee's aunts or her step-mother saying Natalee left CnC's with an "exchange student" Perhaps some of the MB kids thought that was what he was, since he was not Aruban. Some have latched onto that statement, as "proof" Natalee was not with joran.

According to Natalee's stepmother, Robin Holloway, friends say Natalee was last seen with a local resident who claimed to be a foreign exchange student (AP).

http://www.amw.com/missing_persons/case.cfm?id=32411


Right PPNJ!-----that is where I saw it. Like I said the student Jaime Justice says she thought he was a tourist---and perhaps an exchange student. Could joran have misrepresented himself in order to aah--get a little more attention ( if you know what I mean ) Nantalee would not have been impressed with his last name, because she would not have know anything about it, and he probaby wanted to relay the least amount of personal info possible----kind of like when I used to give guys the wrong phone number and changed my last name so many times.
Everytime I see that TV commercial for Las Vagas where the girl uses a different TV celebrity name for each guy she met, until she meets a guy doing the same thing--I LOL......reminds me of my younger days! LOL   Cool


KackyLacky;
What I found interesting is that on the MyWebspace page for NH, it goes into detail about her being very active in a group that promotes foreign exchange program. It even had a blurb saying could that activism been the cause of her current situation. I could see someone mentioning.....preplanned......hey, I'm into this or I'm a that, because they know someone near is into it and saying something will draw them into an immediate alliance. Very premeditated, but someone up to something would do their homework. Having knowledge like that would make you stand out from the rest of the guys trying to get attention and favor from a pretty blond.
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