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« Reply #120 on: August 09, 2006, 06:08:45 PM »

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Thank you, Blah for the kitty avatar.  I saw it and copied it from the locked thread so I couldn't respond there.


actually, Anna should get the credit for that, she gave you that one and gave me my new one !
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« Reply #121 on: August 09, 2006, 06:09:02 PM »

WOW! I thought I was on the wrong site with all the new names..Its nice to have some new friends..
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« Reply #122 on: August 09, 2006, 06:10:34 PM »

Blah - it's not a matter of retyping, it's a matter of putting them all into .jpg format so they can be posted on the front page.
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« Reply #123 on: August 09, 2006, 06:11:26 PM »

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Gunslinger - If you find the location of where Benson worked I'd be happy to add it to the map.  I do remember we knew once the name of his employment but I can't search for it right now.  If someone remembers and can get the address and can try to place it on a map.

I've been very busy getting the statements ready for posting and haven't had time for much else.


Robert  Wayne Benson, 56 year old American Harley Davidson mechanic, found locked in a storage container behind the shop in Cura Cabay.
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« Reply #124 on: August 09, 2006, 06:12:40 PM »

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Is the time of June 13 consistent w/ the date that SCOOP summoned Beth & Jug to the courthouse, only to prove yet again what a lying poseur she was and what an enabler of evil exists in her micromini brain.

LOL on the scoop thing...she aint no scoop anything,she IS a renHO.[/quote]

hahahah  Smish I knew I was gonna like you!! Very Happy
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« Reply #125 on: August 09, 2006, 06:13:44 PM »

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Gunslinger - If you find the location of where Benson worked I'd be happy to add it to the map.  I do remember we knew once the name of his employment but I can't search for it right now.  If someone remembers and can get the address and can try to place it on a map.

I've been very busy getting the statements ready for posting and haven't had time for much else.


I understand.  Thank you again for all your hard work.


GSlinger -

I just searched archives and Benson worked for the Harley Davidson shop... unsure if that is the same as Automotive Enterprises or not.  I have the address for the dealership but the repair place might be at a different site :

Big Twin - official Harley-Davidson Dealership
L.G. Smith Blvd. 124a
P.O. Box 5094
Oranjestad, Aruba

But Automotive Enterprises has been discusssed here on more than one occasions...
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« Reply #126 on: August 09, 2006, 06:14:35 PM »

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the big hammer wrote:
van der Straaten

He handles interrogations of jvds, but not other two. He is directly involved w/ sloot throughout questioning, but never kalpoe.

This is another important piece. And something new (at least to me).

RE statement of June 13. As noted by others, van der Straaten signs this document on June 17, and presumably submits it then. This delay is a problem. This is not only strange, but is procedural breach. And in case so important to Aruba, this failure to follow procedure is glaring, and an oversight a seasoned, ranking police officer simply would not make.

Unless...there was a reason to.


Exactly, Hammer. What did van der Straaten have to do from Monday afternoon the 13th until sometime Friday the 17th before signing? Glaring is exactly what it is, imo.
Maybe we need to go back and see exactly what was going on in the so called investigation between june 13th and june 17th?What were they doing in this time period?


Seems that during this period he was working on his alibi and testing different strategies with Deepak and Satish in the same interrogation room to see what their response/counter attack would be:

Sometime by 6-13, while under arrest, and during a joint interrogation together with Current Suspect DEEPAK KALPOE and Current Suspect SATISH KALPOE in the same police interrogation room, Prime Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT changed his alibi-lies AGAIN, and now claims Current Suspect SATISH KALPOE, Current Suspect DEEPAK KALPOE, and NATALEE took Prime Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT to his home where while sitting in the car outside the home NATALEE and Prime Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT exchanged email addresses and said goodbye (time?), then Prime Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT went into his home and Current Suspect DEEPAK KALPOE and Current Suspect SATISH KALPOE drove NATALEE to the “Holiday Inn.”

When Prime Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT claims these alibi-lies during the joint interrogation, it was reported that Current Suspect DEEPAK KALPOE immediately says, “Why are you lying, Joran?”

Hi Blah
VERY interesting...so they interrogated J2K all together.I think you are right,they had to ALL come up with the same story.But I wonder why those stories are STILL different?Deepak says he nor Satish picked Joran up at the beach.Joran now says that they do?
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« Reply #127 on: August 09, 2006, 06:15:36 PM »

Automotive Enterprises

From June 29, 2005 Police Car Transcript:

Joran: Who has said about burying? I didn't say anything about burying.
Deepak: That's what you have stated. Stop with that bullshit.
Joran: I have said nothing about burying. The only thing what I can think of, is that you know people that it is the people of automotive enterprises.
Satish: Yeah, yeah,yeah, yeah,yeah,yeah, then I had a flat tire, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,yeah... I picked you up, right. And then I went back to the beach for her.
Joran: Who has said that?
Satish: You said that.
Joran: I have never said that friend. I have never said that you went back, friend.
Joran: That's your problem. If they find that girl, then they will see that shit.

From deepak June 13, 2005 statement:

To your question whether anyone has has ever thrown up in my car, I can say the following. Nobody has ever thrown up/vomited in my car.

To your question from whom I bought the car, I can say the following. I bought the car from a man called David GROSS. He works at a company called "Carufa". I must tell you that when they installed the sound in my car, they used a lot of glue and seal/sealant under the carpet of the car. They had to remove the carpets to pull new cables through the car. You can verify this at "Automotive Enterprises". The man who installed it is called Osman OSMAN. I don't know if anyone had an accident/car crash with this car prior to it being sold to me.

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OK --

This is an interesting side-by-side of Automotive Enterprises mentions.

In the polis car transcript, it's very possible to interpret jvds saying that if they find the girl, they will find that "chit" as being followon to previous mention of Automotive Enterprises which jvds also initiates.

He seems to be saying that he knows the kalpoe car was worked on there, and the "chit" could very well be the carpeting/floor mats pulled from there...

So who is Osman?

And is it true that American mechanic who was found dead stuffed in crate (?) worked at this place: Automotive Enterprises?
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« Reply #128 on: August 09, 2006, 06:16:30 PM »

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Does anyone else have an "Ah Ha! "  moment when reading the following:

The man who had driven the green Yaris called me to come over to where he was. I went over to him. The man was sitting in the car. The man asked me in Papiamentu whether or not the story we told was true. I said yes to him. During the conversation I had with him I had for one reason or another shot my mouth off and said something about the sporting shoes. The man asked me what I meant by sporting shoes. I then said to him that I was thinking about something unrelated/different

Who is the man?

And there's those damning SHOES again!

And by the way Monkeys, it's nice to be back and to have something worthwhile to discuss.  Somebody pipe me aboard, pleeeese   Wink


Why, I think the man was Charles Croes....

someone driving Beth around on first night and speaking Papamiento...

And yes - the shoes are important... WHY would Deepak have brought them up in that conversation... seems weird to me.
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« Reply #129 on: August 09, 2006, 06:17:13 PM »

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Main stream media needs to demand an explanation: Do "witness" statements by J2K exist in the case file before June 9, 2005? I am going to be sending out some e-mails to the majors.


Spock, perhaps this would include Greta, Kim G, Bill O'R and Gerald Rivers?


The problem with just emailing these guys is that they don't devote any time to putting it together in their OWN minds and aren't up to speed.... I think Geraldo Rivera might give it a shot or if we contacted someone like Mark Furhman so that HE could talk about it on these shows.  

In other words - educate the guest vs. tell the host.  The hosts don't get it.

Maybe John Walsh would get it?


A definite yes!   Laughing
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« Reply #130 on: August 09, 2006, 06:17:57 PM »

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Gunslinger - If you find the location of where Benson worked I'd be happy to add it to the map.  I do remember we knew once the name of his employment but I can't search for it right now.  If someone remembers and can get the address and can try to place it on a map.

I've been very busy getting the statements ready for posting and haven't had time for much else.


I understand.  Thank you again for all your hard work.


GSlinger -

I just searched archives and Benson worked for the Harley Davidson shop... unsure if that is the same as Automotive Enterprises or not.  I have the address for the dealership but the repair place might be at a different site :

Big Twin - official Harley-Davidson Dealership
L.G. Smith Blvd. 124a
P.O. Box 5094
Oranjestad, Aruba

But Automotive Enterprises has been discusssed here on more than one occasions...


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« Reply #131 on: August 09, 2006, 06:18:12 PM »

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Gunslinger - If you find the location of where Benson worked I'd be happy to add it to the map.  I do remember we knew once the name of his employment but I can't search for it right now.  If someone remembers and can get the address and can try to place it on a map.

I've been very busy getting the statements ready for posting and haven't had time for much else.


Robert  Wayne Benson, 56 year old American Harley Davidson mechanic, found locked in a storage container behind the shop in Cura Cabay.


Good going!  Now where the hell is that?  lol
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« Reply #132 on: August 09, 2006, 06:19:05 PM »

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[/b]HAMMER:  
I wonder where they dump old (or stained) car floor mats and carpeting in Aruba?

Wherever they dump the bodies.  Remember the statement from Deepak, if they find the girl, they are going to find all "that shit."  What shit?  The carpeting and interior of his car?


That garbage dump needs to be completely dug up and every inch searched.
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« Reply #133 on: August 09, 2006, 06:19:35 PM »

The American found locked in the container:

From Diario, 17 November, 2005; Mecanico di Harley Davidson haya morto den container

Another person found dead in Aruba. The body of American born Robert Wayne Benson found in a locked container.

Full translation, Hat Tip: Getagrip

Harley Davidson mechanic found dead in a container

ORANJESTAD (AAN): Yesterday afternoon, a San Nicolas patrol car was sent to Cura Cabay, just behind a company that fixes cars and motorcycles, since a dead person was found in a container.

The person in question is the known mechanic Robert Wayne Benson, born in the U.S., of 58 years of age, resident of Pos Abao, who the day before had disappeared, according to his wife.

” The owner of the business, aware of his disappearance, asked two employees to go take a look at the container, they forced the door of the container which was locked from the inside and when opening it they encountered the lifeless body. ”

Dr. van der Linden confirmed his death, however the cause is still not precisely known. Our deep condolences to his family.


===================End of general information=========

Following are comments of that day for anyone that may want to read all this.


Here are some things that people are saying. Along with a video from a site that is the same one who had the white painted rocks.

November 19th, 2005 at 04:06pm Posted by Scared Monkeys | Crime, Natalee Holloway, Aruba, Travel | 63 comments

If you liked this post, I think you’ll also like these;
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WOW a locked container .. how with they ever solve that  

Comment by sue | November 19, 2005, 4:40 pm

Arlene Ellis Schipper: Investigation Following Many Leads; Autopsy To Follow

ORANJESTAD (AAN): Aruban spokeswoman Arlene Ellis Schipper today comments on the untimely death of an American expat in Aruba, “Rest assured that once the coroner gets back from vacation, he will do a thorough investigation. We are following numerous leads and as a precaution, we are holding two black security guards in detention. They will be held until such time as we can sort out the facts, and when our prosecuting attorney returns from vacation. Blood samples will be collected as well, and put through our special chocolate and cleaning solution device and then sent to Holland for further analysis”.

Ellis Schipper goes on to explain that it is the belief of the polis that Beth Holloway Twitty was somehow involved and the Aruban Polis Union has refused to investigate further until such time as high school students from the US are brought in for further questioning. “We know that an American has perished. We know that Mountain Brook is in America, ” said Chief of Police Deputy Dompig, “.. and we know that high school students love Harley Motorcycles. Investigation 101 says someone from Mountain Brook should be looked at for this, as Aruba is a peaceful safe place. Come join me at the Hilton on Wednesday evenings for Karaoke!”

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr…………………..

Comment by Moi | November 19, 2005, 5:25 pm

Waiting for a retraction… I left him alive when I locked the container, that’s the way he wanted it…I can’t believe this is happening to me!

Comment by Frank | November 19, 2005, 5:29 pm

This sounds suspicious to me. I suppose we will never find out what he died of.

Comment by Marci | November 19, 2005, 5:33 pm

My condolences to his family…

Comment by Bluesky | November 19, 2005, 5:48 pm

There is a growing sentiment against all the Americans on the island of Aruba because of the on-going boycott. The situation is getting very dangerous daily. All the American tourists should be advised not to travel to the Aruba island for their own safety until the ALE can end the boycott by reporting all they know about Natalee’s disappearance.

Comment by Druu | November 19, 2005, 5:53 pm

I wonder if this poor man was a Natalee supporter even though he lived on the Island

Comment by Sue | November 19, 2005, 8:45 pm

Let’s see if they can solve this one.

Comment by david r | November 19, 2005, 9:52 pm

I feel sorry for his family.

Comment by Marguerite | November 19, 2005, 10:05 pm

he was so ashamed of the american boycott of aruba, that he locked the padlock on himself and committed suicide.

or elvis told him to do it. or he’s really in cancun with natalee gambling away the millions that beth has stolen.

every body knows beth did it.

all sarcasm aside, i really feel bad for him and his family and wish i thought there would be justice done here, whatever happened.

Comment by dennisintn | November 19, 2005, 10:21 pm

As I stated in June to C. Croes - Psalm82. Aruba will self destruct in the near future and Bluesky - well as the name implies - go meet your maker!

To the real Arubans - you can take over your corrupt gov’t and elect your own gov’t officials. Throw the rich in jail and resolve this tradegy soon. It would only take 6 hrs to accomplish because your Polis are (edit)

Comment by cal | November 19, 2005, 10:27 pm

well about three weeks ago I seen in the Diario a picture of a Aruba laying in the stree dead. About two weeks ago I seen in the Diario a picture of a white man laying on the beach with no shirt on, dead. Now today I see a report in the Diario of a white man found locked in a container dead. Now is this a safe island? Could one of them have known something about what happen to Natalee Holloway?

Comment by s. Hollwoay | November 19, 2005, 10:53 pm

give me a freaking break! I knew Scared Monkeys would use this a post up article and try to make it look like it has to do something with the Natalee case. freaking incredible!

Comment by Gabriel Leo | November 19, 2005, 10:56 pm

GL,

What part in the entire post remotely says that? We are posting a Diario Article like we have done with many Aruban papers.

It is a simple news post. Looks like you are making the suggestion, not us.

Comment by Scared Monkeys | November 19, 2005, 11:07 pm

Druu,
Yes, we were saying all along that Aruba isn’t safe, it wasn’t May 30 and it isn’t now. No, I won’t be going to Aruba and I hope no other Americans go. This article in Diario contradicts Arleen’s statement. She said the boycott was not affecting tourism.

Comment by Marci | November 20, 2005, 12:59 am

News is news… seems your getting awfully edgey about the latest news of your so called “safe island”. I guess I’d be upset too if I was trying to promote the safety of my island and people show up dead and missing.

Aruba should be worrying about tourism. There is no way I would consider going to vacation in Aurba after I seen the way this case was handled.

Comment by dianne | November 20, 2005, 1:04 am

AND THEY SAID NOTHING LIKE THAT EVER HAPPENS IN ARUBA. THAT IS HORRIFIC DEATH THE WAY THAT MAN DIED. AND YOU ARE TELLING ME THESE PEOPLE IN ARUBA ARE CIVIL. I THINK THEY GET VICIOUS WHEN THEY DON’T GET THERE WAY. STRANGE THINGS ARE HAPPENING OVER THERE SICK JUST SICK. LORD HAVE MERCY.

Comment by brenda | November 20, 2005, 1:13 am

Wayne was a well respected, wonderful man that would give you the shirt off his back to help a friend in need. I’m deeply saddened by this horrific tragedy. I will truly miss him.

Michelle

Comment by michelle | November 20, 2005, 1:17 am

There was a boy from Michigan (14 years old I believe) that disappeared in Aruba in February. His mother, him and sister went to Aruba to have calm after the husband/dad died. The news article said their was a 50 something year old man (American) who asked to take the boy Jet Skiing and the boy begged his mom to let him go and the man offered to pay for the jet ski. While out on the water something happened to the boy, he didn’t return and the body has not been found. The story keeps changing from the older man he went with, the mom is wondering if he set it up to kill him or abduct him. But something is not right with the story and the body hasn’t been found. This isn’t the older man that was involved was it? Google Missing Boy Michigan Aruba. And you will find links to the story.

Comment by Jackie | November 20, 2005, 1:52 am

Michigan Teen Missing in Aruba
By Heather Catallo
Web produced by Sarah Morgan
November 14, 2005

For two months 7 Action News has been investigating the disappearance of boy from Brighton.

Now the FBI is getting involved to find out what happened to a young teen on the island of Aruba.

Police in Aruba say Max Devrees’ disappearance was just an accident. But Action News has learned the FBI is now stepping in to investigate this case because it might be much more than just an innocent mystery in Aruba.

The inviting ocean and sandy beaches of Aruba have proven dangerous for an American more than once recently.

The world knows about Natalee Holloway, the Alabama teenager who disappeared in southern Aruba.

But another young teenager, from Brighton, Michigan also vanished without a trace in Aruba. His name was Max Devrees.

Yvonne Devries took 14-year-old Max and his younger sister to Aruba in may of 2004. She wanted them to spend some healing family time together following the death of her husband.

“I want to find out if this was truly an accident. Was my son set up to be taken in Aruba? Was I followed and stalked and my son purposely targeted? We went there as basically a memorial service, privately for the family, in honor of their dad,” said Yvonne.

At their hotel the Devrees family ended up hanging out with another hotel guest. He was a fellow American, 56-year-old David Stacey Sr.

Stacey offered to pay for Max to rent a wave runner so they could go out on the water together.

“Max was jumping up and down, really excited, let me go, let me go. And I did,” said Yvonne.

That was the last time she would see her son.

“They didn’t come back in 45 minutes. They didn’t come back in an hour. Pretty much immediately, I had that sinking feeling something was wrong,” explained Yvonne.

The police launched a massive ocean search. After several hours they rescued Stacey about four miles off the coast, but Max was never found.

According to Aruba police reports obtained by Action News, Stacey told police Max’s wave runner stopped working. He said he tried to tow Max’s watercraft, but that stranded both machines.

Back on land Stacey told police Max somehow slipped away. But Stacey’s story seems to change, depending on who he spoke to.

In one police interview, Stacey said “Max started swimming towards shore.”

But Yvonne said he told her something entirely different, “He said, ‘I heard a thump and Max was floating away.’ I said, ‘was he hurt?’ ‘Well, I don’t know, that was our said agreement between the two of us, to save our energy.’ ‘What do you mean an agreement?’ If it was your son, floating away, you would yell out to him, are you okay?”

But in his first interview with police, Stacey told detectives he didn’t have an agreement with Max.

Stacey also told police, “I do not remember if I called [out to] Max. I don’t think I did.”

But in another statement 2 days later, Stacey said, “I called out to [Max], but he did not answer.”

Corey Williams is a Michigan detective who is helping Yvonne learn the truth about what happened to Max.

He said the statements to the police don’t add up, “The minute I started reading, I started seeing what I would describe as glaring inconsistencies.”

Williams is also concerned about how quickly the Aruban police closed out the case without digging further into Stacey’s background.

“It appears to me that there could possibly be foul play involved. It definitely appears to me that there needs to be more investigation done,” said Williams.

In the Aruban police reports, David Stacey Sr. told detectives that he did not kill or do anything to hurt Max.

As for the Aruba police, they have not returned our phone calls to tell us why they closed their case so quickly.

Yvonne wants someone to find out how and why her son vanished, “Whatever you hold dear to you, just make sure you really realize what you do have, make sure you treasure it everyday, because when you wake up, you don’t know if that’s going to be your last day with them.” http://www.wxyz.com/wxyz/ys_investigations/article/0,2132,WXYZ_15949_4237964,00.html

Comment by Jackie | November 20, 2005, 1:57 am

Ok, so the guy in the container wasn’t the guy involved with the 14 year old boy’s disappearance, but the response from the Aruban authorities seems awfully familiar.

Comment by Jackie | November 20, 2005, 2:02 am

I AM SO SORRY FOR HIS FAMILY. ARUBA IS NOT SAFE FOR AMERICANS HOW MANY WILL HAVE TO DIE BEFORE WE AMERICANS FIGURE THIS OUT. IT IS NOT SAFE AND THEY HAVE NO LAWS TO PROTECT THEMSELFS LET ALONE US. BOYCOTT IS THE ANSWER UNTIL THEY CHANGE THE WAY THE LAW WORKS THERE.. GRAM23

Comment by Grandma23 | November 20, 2005, 2:09 am

This man hasn’t even had a completed autopsy yet, and already most of you are blaming this on the NH disappearance and slinging mud.

As alot of you have said in your own words to the Aruba gov’t, police and people, I will say the same to you … “Shame on you.”

Comment by jim hanson | November 20, 2005, 2:22 am

My condolences to the family so close to the Holidays. It was locked from the inside? Strange. They’ll probably rule it suicide, depending on the type of container itself.

GL - Leap of faith? Or just ignorance? All in all, it’s a tragedy and it’s rude for you to capitalize on this man’s death in an effort to try to trash Natalee and this site. Have some respect or do you enjoy trying to make other people’s deaths look as meaningless as you make Natalee’s disappearance?

Comment by DC | November 20, 2005, 5:09 am

I tried to book a one week vacation to Aruba tonight on the net. I tried about 6 different sites. As of tonight, the earliest I can depart is the third week of January 2006.

Comment by jim hanson | November 20, 2005, 5:11 am

Aruban Law Enforcement (ALE) = another oxymoron. How can this be on this beautiful crimeless island?? Yet another sorrowful reason to boycott, BLuesky.

Comment by Joe | November 20, 2005, 7:54 am

So 4 people have been murdered in Aruba since Natalee disappeared. Including Natalee - that is a total of 5 people in 6 months. Aruba is a very unsafe place to visit; worse than Jamaca.

I remember the live interview in June of the two black security guards who were in jail and one said it’s obvious the 3 suspects; Joran, Deepak and Satish murdered the girl and if the Polis configured that out - then they need to get a job else where. With all thats happened it is becoming more apparent that this is a coverup; and those found dead had information to solve the case. Paulus van der Sloot, Dennis Jacobs, and Van Stratten are very dangerous and will do everything to destroy this case. This includes eliminating every bit of evidence and all possible witnesses.

Comment by cal | November 20, 2005, 8:16 am

This can’t be true … Aruba is one happy island, with no crime.

Haven’t they told us this often enough?

Comment by Richard | November 20, 2005, 8:20 am

To S. Hollaway:

Death is a Part of Life. Even in Aruba people Die Everyday…(Incredible?!?! HUH ??)

1. The guy lying on the Beach commited suicide.

2. About the second guy I do not have information right now. The investigation will have to take its course…

My condolences to families of these two persons…

Comment by Bluesky | November 20, 2005, 12:10 pm

I think aruba (my impression) is a lawless and dangerous place with a touristy “fascade” meant to part people from their cash.

I dont have confidence they will solve this crime either. They seem to know how to mix drinks, thats about it.

Comment by SB | November 20, 2005, 1:26 pm

why not post the Americans that died in Iraq last week? More newsworthy and just as relevant to the Holloway case

Comment by sunny71 | November 20, 2005, 1:41 pm

Gabriel Leo: Your reading comprehension needs some work. There was NOTHING in the article about Natalee Holloway.

Comment by monkey wench | November 20, 2005, 2:21 pm

gl is making the suggestion, but sm is making him do it. someone else is always responsible. there is no one in charge on aruba. sm, you should be ashamed of yourself. bad boy, bad boy.

and thanks for being here for us.
dennisintn

Comment by dennisintn | November 20, 2005, 2:24 pm

I am very sorry for the family in this situation. I do hope they get answers and justice in this matter.

Comment by monkey wench | November 20, 2005, 2:27 pm

His family has my sympathies.

Comment by Kelly | November 20, 2005, 2:46 pm

We’re getting an up close and personal view of the European justice system in our own backyard.

Comment by Jeremy | November 20, 2005, 3:10 pm

I’m just curious if Scared Monkeys is going to keep an eye on this story and follow it up so we can find out why this man is dead …

Comment by jim hanson | November 21, 2005, 2:23 am

I just googled “robert wayne benson” and got no related web sites. I googled “robert benson dead” .. no responses.

I did a yahoo search .. “robert wayne benson” … by the looks of it the only related web page to this search is scared monkeys.

Just an observation.

Seeing as this blog has the only info about this death, I hope they will follow it up as I mentioned earlier …. I’m interested in knowing about his background and the people he knew there … a death like this is certainly not a natural one … it’s foul play … it could be interesting to see what this man did in his spare time …

Well … we’ll see … I hope …

Comment by jim hanson | November 21, 2005, 2:44 am

Question,
If someone from Aruba went missing in say…. New York, and the Natalee case never happened, and the parents went over here to search, how would you react? What if they wanted to bring over their own teams of investigators and asked that their law enforcement be able to take over? Would you scream about what nerve these people have? What about if they started to then blame corruption one both the NYPD, who has had a history of corruption (I don’t recall Aruba holding the same title before this), and the Bush administration (Going to war for WMD’s, Abu Grab, Plame-Gate).
Be honest with yourselves. You would be mad too. Think with on open mind, and this case will look different to you.

Comment by founder | November 21, 2005, 10:34 am

GL…Although there is no suggestion that this crime has ANYTHING to do with the Nat Holloway case, this is additional proof that Aruba is not a safe environment for tourists (maybe not even safe for Arubans). This may be an island ripe for picking, if the citizens do not “get a grip” and demand responsibility and accountibility from all its politicians and everyone involved in criminal investigation and prosecution.

Comment by Kate | November 21, 2005, 11:31 am

Well I would Bet If a Aruban got lost in New york and the family came .. NOt one member from Aruban police would come to the US .. I can bet they would turn the case over to the FBI which would have already been involved.. those morons in Aruba cant even decide to send someone to reinterview the MB kids whats makes you think they would come here for a missings person

Comment by sue | November 21, 2005, 12:44 pm

For Jim Hanson - Go to www.diarioaruba.com and click on diahuebs (Thursday).
Scroll down and you will see the original reporting in the local paper.

Comment by Melissa | November 21, 2005, 12:47 pm

Wayne was my good friend in Aruba for the last seven years. I am very sad
about his death and send my prayers to the family. He had a heart of gold!

Comment by Linda | November 21, 2005, 1:01 pm

Oh, so people want to know what happened to this man, huh? God help his family if the make too big a deal out of it because then Aruban LE and Jim Hanson and friends will blame them for the man’s death.

Comment by monkey wench | November 21, 2005, 1:19 pm

To people who cannot read:

“they forced the door of the container which was locked from the inside “…

Suicide maybe???

Comment by Bluesky | November 21, 2005, 1:27 pm

This site http://newdatinggame.blogspot.com/ says that it was padlocked which implies from the outside.

Comment by Julie | November 21, 2005, 1:52 pm

Funny thing … a man is found dead in a locked container in Aruba, and the majority of people here think it’s the end of the world.

Do you know how many horrible murders take place in the united states every day of every week? Of course, with these murders, we see it on the news or read it in the paper and forget about it the next day.

It’s ok to have thousands of murders a year in the usa and just forget it as a part of life. But when a death like this man pops up in Aruba … oh my god! It’s unsafe to even LIVE in Aruba. Get out now! Everyone leave!

For God’s sake, get a grip on yourselves. Alot of you here remind me of fictional programmed robots that sit in front of a computer.

Comment by jim hanson | November 21, 2005, 2:38 pm

10. Birmingham, Alabama
Population: 238,167
All violent crimes: 3,261
Murder and non-negligent manslaughter: 59
Forcible rape: 240
Robbery: 1,369
Aggravated assault: 1,593
Property crime: 19,477
Burglary: 5,156
Larceny/theft: 11,970

www.cnn.com
Motor vehicle theft: 2,351
Arson: 142

Comment by Hello Kitty | November 21, 2005, 2:38 pm

re: benson
family and friends know he had a monkey on his back. it was off for ahile but it
returned. RIP

Comment by a. FRIEND | November 21, 2005, 3:56 pm

My sympathys to Mr. Benson’s family. I watched Dompig, Beth and Dr. Michael Baden on fox last night. Dompig said he don’t believe this has anything to do with the sex slave trade and he believes it’s a homicide involving the 3 suspects. I give him credit for saying that.

I have tried to remember any missing American tourist abroad where someone is held accountable. Amy Bradley’s family got the same kind of treatment. Sweep it under the carpet and they will go away George Smith on the cruise ship… they cleaned up the blood and his room and went about business. Dr. Baden also thanked Beth for keeping this out there to bring attention to such problems. He too believes Natalee’s case is a homicide. Dompig also said results of the tapes are going to be in and if they are authentic, Deepak is coming back in for questions. I only hope the FBI are allowed to help.

I’ve followed this case from the start and decided one day to go online and sign up showing my support to Natalee’s families. I came across dif. sites,, and couldn’t believe some of the horrible things being said about them. I then came across this site and have since recommended it to others. I know its brought awareness to me about things I knew nothing about going on. I heard Beth say the support is what keeps them going. I still come here to support both families and for those wanting to make light of just one person. Natalee was just one missing person, big deal. When you sit down at the table for Thanksgiving, look over and imagine your family by you wasnt sitting in that chair..not now..not ever again.. then the impact of just one missing person will mean something. I pray for all those who have lost loved ones to crime or. It don’t matter how rich or poor,whether you are a prostitute or a ceo or what nationality. Every victim should be treated with dignity and given a respectable investigation.

Comment by Sharise | November 21, 2005, 6:00 pm

WAYNE BENSON WAS A VERY DEAR FRIEND OF MINE. I KNEW HIM FOR MANY YEARS BEFORE HE WENT TO THAT GODFORSAKEN ISLAND OF ARUBA. HE SHARED HIS STRUGGLES WITH ME AND I ENCOURAGED HIM TO COME HOME WHERE PEOPLE LOVE AND CARE ABOUT HIM BUT WAYNE WAS STUBBORN AND TOO PROUD TO GIVE UP. HE SAID “I NEED TO MAKE A GO OF IT”. WAYNE WAS THE KIND OF GUY WHO WOULD ALWAYS BE READY TO HELP SOMEBODY ELSE WITHOUT REGARD FOR HIMSELF. THE MOST CARING AND UNSELFISH PERSON I HAVE EVER KNOWN.

Comment by TOM CROWLEY | November 21, 2005, 8:42 pm

I was trolling the IMDB site tonite for a few movies and as per usual I went off course with links and found an actress in a movie that was shot twice in the chest outside her west hollywood apartment by a man that had received her autograph 20 minutes before he killed her and had asked her out but she said she was busy. This got me to thinking about senseless murder, like John Lennon, the Manson murders and many more. Her name by the way is Rebecca Shaeffer. She was 21 years old. What a motive. No date, bang bang …

I decided to do a little research, and I came up with some very disturbing figures. On average, in the last 5 years, 16,600 americans are murdered every year. That’s 44 people per day. The vast majority of these murders are comitted with guns. 43% of these murders are comitted in the southern states … Louisiana, Alabama, Texas etc … the reason by statistics showing racism between blacks and whites.

This past Sunday, a 20 year old kid in Tacoma decided he’d take an AK-47 into a mall and go on a shooting spree and take hostages because he was mad at his ex girlfriend. A few weeks ago an 18 year old man killed his 14 year old girlfriend’s parents with a gun, and the two of them took off till they were arrested. A few weeks ago, a “gothic” (described the media) type of teenager bludgeoned to death Daniel Horowitz’s wife. He is 16 years old. About six weeks ago, a convict and his “girlfiend” planned an escape from a courthouse and killed a policeman in the process. These are just a few of the probable 8000+ murders in the usa since Natalee Holloway disappeared.

Look at these statistics. Look at them. If you don’t believe me, look them up yourself. Takes 5 minutes.

Just a note to all you americans here that are screaming about another american being found dead in a “container” in Aruba. I think you had better think about the possible 8000+ americans that have been murdered in your own country since NH disappeared and stop thinking about a random death in Aruba. I think before you open your keyboards here, you should think about where YOU live, and how unsafe it is to be living there. Statistically speaking, it is much more probable that an american will be kiiled in a mall while shopping than in Aruba. It is much more probable that a famous american will be shot to death in america than in Aruba. Would you like to talk about children? It is much more likely for a young child to be kidnapped, raped and murdered in america than it is in Aruba.

Stop calling Aruba an unsafe place to live.

Pay attention to your own country.

All you americans here that are badmouthing the living conditions in Aruba are total hypocrites.

Comment by jim hanson | November 22, 2005, 6:55 am

Goeie morgen,

Today there is an official statement by the Friends of the American man that was found dead in the container.

Like I said before, he had a heart condition and this was atributed to his death. However I was misinformed by two of his friends that it was as consequence of an overdose.

His friends want to make it clear that it was a heart attack and not a suicide. He used to lock himself in the container he uses as a shop. It even had air conditioning and normal door installed.

They ended the statement in English for those who are using his name right now:

“Wayne,we have to clear your name, because we as your closest friends know that you were clean. Francis, Eric, Arris, Paul, Natalie, Goy, Igor, Nancy, Saturno, Florencio, Alex, Gui, Hubert, Patrick and Aldo. Cu nos amigo Wayne sosega na Paz.”

Posted by: MF | Nov 22, 2005 6:54:23 AM

Comment by C.I.T. | November 22, 2005, 9:18 am

The mother of Max and Beth Twitty have one thing in common. They both arrived in Aruba with their flyers already printed. Beth Twitty arrived on Tuesday with a bunch of flyers saying that her daughter was kidnapped before even speaking to anyone in particular about the possible disappearance of her daughter. The mother of Max came to Aruba with her new boyfriend and her two children, her late husband just passed away (FBI should investigate the cause of death) and after a few days had flyers printed already and assumed that Max drowned. How can a mother five up so fast on her son. And the person who was with Max last was an American that according to the mother they met just that day!?! Aruba is NOT dangerous. The people who come here to commit their crimes are the ones that are so dangerous. Sad, very sad.

Comment by Rina | November 22, 2005, 4:06 pm

Someone said “how many people will have to die before they see Aruba is evil” or something like that. The answer = 0
1 is a missing persons case
1 is probably a suicide

Your welcomed!

Comment by commonsense | November 22, 2005, 6:27 pm

I share my sentiment with Tom. Wayne Benson walked into my life 7 years ago. Wayne was a well respected, caring, and thoughtful individual, who tried very hard to live his dream of making island life work for him. He had a wonderful way about him that was appealing to so many people. He had an outgoing personality, a soft spoken voice, and a kind, generous spirit. We used to climb the big mountain in Aruba years ago — we used to have “pot-boiling” discussions about life - we used to listen to “Johnny Lang” while Wayne worked on motorcyles and I enjoyed lounging in the hot summer sun!! I used to listen intently as he told me about the day to day struggles that island life brought his way. Wayne was strong and courageous - he gave it his best shot to make a life on the island - it was very hard for him, as it would be for any of us - he just took it a step further than most of us would and kept at it for 7 years - always believing it would get better. We all hoped things would have gotten better for him…. I believe in my heart that Wayne is at peace with God now and that his spirit will live on in each of us that knew him. My heartfelt condolences to his family.

Comment by Michelle St. Michael | November 22, 2005, 7:36 pm

From the Forum … Aruba Girl
http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?p=312702#312702

Sort of off-topic, but according to an article in Diario today the guy who died in the container died from an heart attack. The article was signed by his friends who wanted to set the record straight.

My excuses if it was already reported, just saw that you guys were interested in it.

Good evening.

Comment by Scared Monkeys | November 22, 2005, 10:51 pm

Commonsense: Which one is a suicide? the guy in a container? I didnt know you could do that
When i decide to commit suicide after im done im going to lock myself
in a container. Or better yet ill kill myself IN the container, dying in a cramped space
of lack of oxygen is probably the most comfortable and quickest way to go

Comment by derp | November 23, 2005, 2:39 am

My condolences and prayers to Mr. Benson’s family. Way to young..

Beth hasn’t said anything about the NUMBER of crimes in Aruba or Alabama,

Her complaint is and has been all along after a crime is committed, they get a botched investigation, and Dave being told, we was kinda hoping it would all just go away by now. Last I knew there were no missing Aruban tourists in Alabama with cases handled like that.

As for flyers.. everyone always says the first 48 hour of an investigation are crucial.. When her daughter didn’t come home on the plane with her classmates, thats a good indication her daughter was kidnapped or worse.
Dave said when he arrived about 48 hours after she went missing ..the first 2 police stations on the island didn’t even know there was a missing girl. They sent him to a 3rd station, where he was asked, how much money do you have and go drink a beer, she’ll be back.
Look what was done in the first 10 days of this investigation. That’s what their complaint is..

Comment by Sharise | November 23, 2005, 7:00 am

Tom Crowley and Michell St. Michael: My heart felt sympathies to you both. It’s always difficult to lose a friend.

Comment by monkey wench | November 23, 2005, 12:08 pm

To everyone who knew my dad,thank-you for your condolences.My dad lived his life the way he wanted and nobody can fault him for that after all nobodies perfect.Some of us can slay our demons and others can not.We all miss him greatly

Comment by Daviid Benson | December 11, 2005, 6:48 pm

Wayne had 30 years of problems……But he is at peace now…… David good luck with your life and move forward with only fond memories thats what will help you go on!

Comment by Friend from the past | December 23, 2005, 8:46 pm

Beth Twitty, Arlene Ellis Schipper, Joe Tacopina will be on Greta tonight.

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« Reply #134 on: August 09, 2006, 06:19:53 PM »

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Is the time of June 13 consistent w/ the date that SCOOP summoned Beth & Jug to the courthouse, only to prove yet again what a lying poseur she was and what an enabler of evil exists in her micromini brain.

LOL on the scoop thing...she aint no scoop anything,she IS a renHO.


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« Reply #135 on: August 09, 2006, 06:20:04 PM »

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Does anyone else have an "Ah Ha! "  moment when reading the following:

The man who had driven the green Yaris called me to come over to where he was. I went over to him. The man was sitting in the car. The man asked me in Papiamentu whether or not the story we told was true. I said yes to him. During the conversation I had with him I had for one reason or another shot my mouth off and said something about the sporting shoes. The man asked me what I meant by sporting shoes. I then said to him that I was thinking about something unrelated/different

Who is the man?

And there's those damning SHOES again!

Appeals, there is a good chance this man is Charles Croes.

And yes, the sporting shoes reference caught my eye also. Along with Deepak's non-explanation as to why he even "shot his mouth off" about it in the first place.
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« Reply #136 on: August 09, 2006, 06:22:03 PM »

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From June 29, 2005 Police Car Transcript:

Joran: Who has said about burying? I didn't say anything about burying.
Deepak: That's what you have stated. Stop with that bullshit.
Joran: I have said nothing about burying. The only thing what I can think of, is that you know people that it is the people of automotive enterprises.
Satish: Yeah, yeah,yeah, yeah,yeah,yeah, then I had a flat tire, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,yeah... I picked you up, right. And then I went back to the beach for her.
Joran: Who has said that?
Satish: You said that.
Joran: I have never said that friend. I have never said that you went back, friend.
Joran: That's your problem. If they find that girl, then they will see that shit.

From deepak June 13, 2005 statement:

To your question whether anyone has has ever thrown up in my car, I can say the following. Nobody has ever thrown up/vomited in my car.

To your question from whom I bought the car, I can say the following. I bought the car from a man called David GROSS. He works at a company called "Carufa". I must tell you that when they installed the sound in my car, they used a lot of glue and seal/sealant under the carpet of the car. They had to remove the carpets to pull new cables through the car. You can verify this at "Automotive Enterprises". The man who installed it is called Osman OSMAN. I don't know if anyone had an accident/car crash with this car prior to it being sold to me.

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OK --

This is an interesting side-by-side of Automotive Enterprises mentions.

In the polis car transcript, it's very possible to interpret jvds saying that if they find the girl, they will find that "chit" as being followon to previous mention of Automotive Enterprises which jvds also initiates.

He seems to be saying that he knows the kalpoe car was worked on there, and the "chit" could very well be the carpeting/floor mats pulled from there...

So who is Osman?

And is it true that American mechanic who was found dead stuffed in crate (?) worked at this place: Automotive Enterprises?


I threw that out there as well as that guy Peeps who used to post here (worked at automotive place).... The American mechanic worked for the Harley Davidson repair shop... not sure the name of it.. we have the location thanks to SunFreak.

I am totally with you ---reading that statement... that "chit" could well be the carpeting and some forensics belonging to Natalee.
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« Reply #137 on: August 09, 2006, 06:24:29 PM »

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Quote from: "Appeals"
Does anyone else have an "Ah Ha! "  moment when reading the following:

The man who had driven the green Yaris called me to come over to where he was. I went over to him. The man was sitting in the car. The man asked me in Papiamentu whether or not the story we told was true. I said yes to him. During the conversation I had with him I had for one reason or another shot my mouth off and said something about the sporting shoes. The man asked me what I meant by sporting shoes. I then said to him that I was thinking about something unrelated/different

Who is the man?

And there's those damning SHOES again!

Appeals, there is a good chance this man is Charles Croes.

And yes, the sporting shoes reference caught my eye also. Along with Deepak's non-explanation as to why he even "shot his mouth off" about it in the first place.



the idea that he said "shot his mouth off".... I mean who says that about themselves???
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« Reply #138 on: August 09, 2006, 06:24:39 PM »

JVDS & Automotive Enterprises

The goon is saying that if they find the girl, they find the car mats/carpets, which implicates k2 -- BUT NOT JVDS.

IMO.

He is threatening k2.

ANd if paulus indeed masterminded hiding of body of Natalee -- then every possible link to his son would have been removed (of course, maybe not everything ala DNA, but any and all obvious signs which could be tracked back to jvds, like sneakers, eg).

AND, all possible incriminating evidence tying K2 to the body would be there with the body -- anything and everything.

And then railroad job "number two" would commence.

This all strongly suggests that a badly injured or assualted, or even dead, Natalee was in the kalpoe car at some point.
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« Reply #139 on: August 09, 2006, 06:26:13 PM »

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Sometime by 6-13, while under arrest, and during a joint interrogation together with Current Suspect DEEPAK KALPOE and Current Suspect SATISH KALPOE in the same police interrogation room, Prime Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT changed his alibi-lies AGAIN, and now claims Current Suspect SATISH KALPOE, Current Suspect DEEPAK KALPOE, and NATALEE took Prime Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT to his home where while sitting in the car outside the home NATALEE and Prime Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT exchanged email addresses and said goodbye (time?), then Prime Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT went into his home and Current Suspect DEEPAK KALPOE and Current Suspect SATISH KALPOE drove NATALEE to the “Holiday Inn.”

NOTE:  Above I pointed out that this does not match the signed attestation statement of same date, signed by JanVDS on 6/17/06.  Why?  Because they practiced different statements until they got one that would implicate the K2 and exonerate the SPORTER.


Exactly! and when Joran realized that the pin job on the 2 security guards was falling through(right about this time), he turned his sites to the Kalpoe borthers !
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