Lively Case Discussion #509 8/9 - 8/10/2006

[Smish]

Gunslinger - If you find the location of where Benson worked I'd be happy to add it to the map.  I do remember we knew once the name of his employment but I can't search for it right now.  If someone remembers and can get the address and can try to place it on a map.

I've been very busy getting the statements ready for posting and haven't had time for much else.

I understand.  Thank you again for all your hard work.

GSlinger -

I just searched archives and Benson worked for the Harley Davidson shop... unsure if that is the same as Automotive Enterprises or not.  I have the address for the dealership but the repair place might be at a different site :

Big Twin - official Harley-Davidson Dealership
L.G. Smith Blvd. 124a
P.O. Box 5094
Oranjestad, Aruba

But Automotive Enterprises has been discusssed here on more than one occasions...

Automotive Enterprises N.V.
Address: Wayaca z/n
Phone: (297) 582-6594
Fax: (297) 583-4499  
Categories: Automobile parts -new-

[Appeals]

Appeals, there is a good chance this man is Charles Croes.

And yes, the sporting shoes reference caught my eye also. Along with Deepak's non-explanation as to why he even "shot his mouth off" about it in the first place.

the idea that he said "shot his mouth off".... I mean who says that about themselves???

 Hi Mrs. RED.  Only someone who regrets they brought it up IMO.

[Katysmom]

KLAASEN, what is the date of the rush to the courthouse where JR inserts herself into this, after summoning Jug & Beth to let her ride with them to the courthouse.  I have it from a 6/13/05 article, but not sure that is the date of the occurrence.

I believe it was June 13th.

But wait,When renHO went with the family to the courthouse wasn't this because renHO said they had Nat's body there?If so,then a body was reported twice?

Wouldn't it seem strange that they would take a body to a courthouse and not a hospital, morgue, or coroner's office?

[blah]

Hi Blah
VERY interesting...so they interrogated J2K all together.I think you are right,they had to ALL come up with the same story.But I wonder why those stories are STILL different?Deepak says he nor Satish picked Joran up at the beach.Joran now says that they do?

Hi Smish,
I just take it as Joran is trying so desperatly to put someone else (in the case 1 or both of the K's) as the last person to be with Natalee.  

Unfortunatly for him, he cannot do it.  As hard as he tries to NOT be the last person with Natalee, he cant change it.  Why?  Because he really was the last person with her.

They all raped her, Joran killed her, and then Joran and his dad got rid of the body afte the K2's split for home and left him to take care of the mess he created when he killed her.  This is why Deepaks statement in the back of the police car "your own father?, unbelieveable"  Deepak couldnt believe Joran recruited his own father to help get rid of the body.  We already know that Deepak knows that Joran raped her, he said it in his previous statement.   He just omits the part where he and his brother take a turn too.

[igsigs]

the idea that he said "shot his mouth off".... I mean who says that about themselves???

Hey Mrs.Red. "Shot my mouth off" to me means a statement made out of emotion followed by regret. ie...I shouldn't have mentioned the sporting shoes...so please forget about it...for i have no explanation for it.

If this was Charles Croes he was speaking too, i would like to hear his version.

[ala_gunslinger]

They have the dna from the floorboard.

[blah]

And is it true that American mechanic who was found dead stuffed in crate (?) worked at this place: Automotive Enterprises?

I thought this guy was a mechanic for the Harley Davidson dealership but dont take that as gospel.

[Frijole]

Wouldn't it seem strange that they would take a body to a courthouse and not a hospital, morgue, or coroner's office?

Yeah... but we are talking about a place where people in trouble call the radio station and Carlos/charlies versus the police for help... who knows!??

[WidgetTheMidget]

[/b]HAMMER:  
I wonder where they dump old (or stained) car floor mats and carpeting in Aruba?

Wherever they dump the bodies.  Remember the statement from Deepak, if they find the girl, they are going to find all "that shit."  What shit?  The carpeting and interior of his car?

Joran's shoes, the cup that had traces of date rape drug on it, the video????

If You Find Jorans Shoes ............

You Will Find Natalee ...........

 

[Frijole]

the idea that he said "shot his mouth off".... I mean who says that about themselves???

Hey Mrs.Red. "Shot my mouth off" to me means a statement made out of emotion followed by regret. ie...I shouldn't have mentioned the sporting shoes...so please forget about it...for i have no explanation for it.

If this was Charles Croes he was speaking too, i would like to hear his version.

Yes... as a matter of fact - I would love to hear the entire unedited version of Charles' interview with Greta... remember it from early June?  Very clandestine.  Knowing what we know now... it may be more meaningful.

[Tylergal]

KLAASEN, what is the date of the rush to the courthouse where JR inserts herself into this, after summoning Jug & Beth to let her ride with them to the courthouse.  I have it from a 6/13/05 article, but not sure that is the date of the occurrence.

I believe it was June 13th.

But wait,When renHO went with the family to the courthouse wasn't this because renHO said they had Nat's body there?If so,then a body was reported twice?

That's right.

[Frijole]

And is it true that American mechanic who was found dead stuffed in crate (?) worked at this place: Automotive Enterprises?

I thought this guy was a mechanic for the Harley Davidson dealership but dont take that as gospel.

re - reading it, it was a shop that repairs Harleys... big diff... but we still don't know if it was automotive enterprises or not.

[robots]

WHERE ARE THE SHOES ???

JORAN used them as a BUOY MARKER        


DOGS...
hmmmmm

maybe they buried her clothes on the BEACH and could not FIND them
and brought some DOGS to the BEACH to help find em  


BASTARDS

[ala_gunslinger]

And is it true that American mechanic who was found dead stuffed in crate (?) worked at this place: Automotive Enterprises?

I thought this guy was a mechanic for the Harley Davidson dealership but dont take that as gospel.

You are correct.

I don't remember the container being locked from the 'inside'.

[Smish]

KLAASEN, what is the date of the rush to the courthouse where JR inserts herself into this, after summoning Jug & Beth to let her ride with them to the courthouse.  I have it from a 6/13/05 article, but not sure that is the date of the occurrence.

I believe it was June 13th.

But wait,When renHO went with the family to the courthouse wasn't this because renHO said they had Nat's body there?If so,then a body was reported twice?

Wouldn't it seem strange that they would take a body to a courthouse and not a hospital, morgue, or coroner's office?

I think so KatysMom.But this is Aruba where they let"scoops of stuff"fly around and help them"investigate".

[blah]

And is it true that American mechanic who was found dead stuffed in crate (?) worked at this place: Automotive Enterprises?

I thought this guy was a mechanic for the Harley Davidson dealership but dont take that as gospel.

re - reading it, it was a shop that repairs Harleys... big diff... but we still don't know if it was automotive enterprises or not.

you are right, i just read that article up above that says "a shop that repairs cars and motorcycles"

I have never heard of a Harley dealer that repairs cars and I have been to ALOT of Harley dealerships!!

[Tylergal]

Saturday, June 11, 2005
 
 
ORANJESTAD, Aruba — Reports conflicted Saturday in developments of the Alabama honor student who has been missing in Aruba for almost two weeks.

David Cruz*** a spokesman for the Aruban Minister of Justice (search) told FOX News Natalee Holloway (search), who was on vacation with friends with a graduation trip when she disappeared, was confirmed dead and that authorities knew the location of her body.

However, Cruz later retracted the statement, saying he was a victim of a "misinformation campaign."

The mother of the 18-year-old told FOX News authorities had not yet contacted them with this information but did say that Natalee's father, who is divorced from her mother, was with investigators looking for the body.

These reports came after significant, and at times conflicting, developments with the five suspects being detained in the case.

The "Diario," a local daily newspaper, is reporting that a human blood sample found in a car at the residence of one of the teens in custody — the 17-year-old son of a high-ranking island judicuary official — is now being sent to the U.S. and will be tested for a possible match to Natalee, whose mother gave a blood sample to investigators.


One of the young men detained admitted "something bad happened" to the woman after they took her to the beach, a police officer said, while prosecutors said the investigation was at a crucial point.

But prosecutors refused to comment on the statement by Deputy Police Commissioner Gerold Dompig (search), who told The Associated Press that the man who made that admission was leading police to the scene. He refused to identify which of the three young men who took Holloway to a northern beach the night she went missing made the statement.

Police refused Saturday morning to say whether they discovered anything overnight to solve the mystery of what happened to Holloway, who was last seen in the early hours of May 30.

Referring to Dompig's statement, prosecution spokeswoman Vivian van der Biezen (search) said Saturday: "We neither confirm nor deny any information coming from other sources ... [about] alleged statements of suspects in this case."

"The investigation at the moment is the following: Five suspects are being held ... and we are at a very crucial, very important moment in our investigation," she said.

A judge ruled Saturday that police can continue to detain three young men — two Surinamese brothers and the Dutch teen — arrested in the disappearance of Holloway.

Police also have detained two other men — former security guards at a hotel near the one where Holloway was staying. No one has been charged in the case.

Holloway vanished during a five-day trip to the Dutch Caribbean island with 124 classmates and seven chaperones celebrating their graduation from Mountain Brook, Ala., High School, near Birmingham. Police found her U.S. passport and packed bags in her hotel room after she failed to show up for her return flight that day.

Prime Minister Nelson Oduber said on national radio Friday night that if something happened to Holloway, it would damage the reputation of this island of 97,000 people, which depends on tourism and is considered one of the safest spots in the Caribbean.

In Holloway's hometown, her friends gathered after midnight at a church where people have been holding prayer vigils for her. Some hugged and cried; one woman left a flickering candle at the base of a wall decorated with messages to Holloway, who had earned a full scholarship to the University of Alabama, where she planned to study medicine.

Antonio Carlo, an attorney for the Dutch minor, told the AP: "My client maintains his innocence."

Holloway's mother and stepfather told The Birmingham News in Alabama that they discovered the Dutch boy's connection to their daughter within 24 hours of her disappearance by talking to other students on the trip. They then found surveillance videotapes showing him playing poker with other Mountain Brook teens in their hotel casino two days before she vanished.

A lawyer for one of the Surinamese — Satish Kalpoe, 18, whose brother, Deepak, 21, also is in custody — said they told police they took Holloway to Arashi Beach, on the northern part of the island, in the early hours of May 30.

According to their police statement, they did not get out of the car, Carlo said. Instead, Holloway and the Dutch teen, an honors student at the Aruba International School whom she had met at the casino in her hotel, "were in the back seat kissing."

They also told police that they dropped Holloway at her Holiday Inn at about 2 a.m. and last saw her being approached by a man in a security guard uniform before they drove off, Kock said.

The brothers told police the blonde, blue-eyed young woman was drunk and refused to get out of the car, said Noraina Pietersz, who is representing Mickey John, 30, one of the two former security guards. He and Abraham Jones, 28, have been detained since Sunday.

The three young men said Holloway stumbled in the parking lot of the hotel but refused help from her Dutch escort, Kock said.

Holiday Inn employees say security cameras did not record Holloway's return. A Holiday Inn guard who worked the overnight shift that day said he did not see her, said Pietersz, who said she reviewed the guard's statement to police.

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[tcumom]

The problem with just emailing these guys is that they don't devote any time to putting it together in their OWN minds and aren't up to speed.... I think Geraldo Rivera might give it a shot or if we contacted someone like Mark Furhman so that HE could talk about it on these shows.  

In other words - educate the guest vs. tell the host.  The hosts don't get it.

I'm really behind, so this may have been mentioned~
What about Mark Fuhrman on Dana's show?

[ala_gunslinger]

KLAASEN, what is the date of the rush to the courthouse where JR inserts herself into this, after summoning Jug & Beth to let her ride with them to the courthouse.  I have it from a 6/13/05 article, but not sure that is the date of the occurrence.

I believe it was June 13th.

But wait,When renHO went with the family to the courthouse wasn't this because renHO said they had Nat's body there?If so,then a body was reported twice?

Wouldn't it seem strange that they would take a body to a courthouse and not a hospital, morgue, or coroner's office?

I think so KatysMom.But this is Aruba where they let"scoops of stuff"fly around and help them"investigate".

And that is a fact!  Proven when Greta was in aruba the last time.  ale published a bolo for her the next day!  

Dayum!!!  If they only knew what a 'clue' was!!!!

[oldfart]

Hi Monkeys...
Dropping by for a bit  and got a question  on this
from "DEEPAK - JUNE 10TH STATEMENT "

To your question whether I can remember the day when I was summoned to the police station at Bubali, I can say the following. Yes I remember that day.

You are telling to me that my car looked very clean on that day. About that I can state the following, I had vacuumed my car the previous day.

To your question as to why I had vacuumed my car the previous day, I can state the following. I thought my car was dirty on the inside there was a lot of sand.

To your question as to how dirty my car was on the inside, I can state the following. There was a lot of sand inside of the car.

To your question as to when I had been to the beach for the last time, I can state the following. I had been to a party on the beach about two or three weeks ago.

To your question as to where the sand came from the day in question that I vacuumed the car, I can state the following. The sand came from Joran, because he had almost fallen into the water and after that he had sat down in my car with sand on his shorts and on his legs

My question~  when did Deepak go to police station at Bubali and where was he and Joran together  that there is water & sand AND Joran got back in the car?
 

TIA