Lively Case Discussion #509 8/9 - 8/10/2006

[blah]

This is interesting from Deepak's statement:

"On Tuesday two weeks ago, about 19.00 hours, I went to the house of Joran. Freddie was at the house of Joran. Joran had said to me that he had told Freddie the story about the Holiday Inn and also the truth. Joran had said only Freddy because he is my best friend. I had asked Joran if he did anything with/to* the girl. Joran had told us that he did not do anything with/to* the girl and that the girl had fallen asleep on the beach and that he had left her there."

now Deepak was with Joran the next day/night after Natalee "disappears."  He is with Joran when he gets the call from Paulus that the family/police are at the house (this would have been Monday night right?)  And he goes to the van der sloot compound to meet with everyone, puts an alibi together on the way there or whatever, yet waits until 7:00pm on Tuesday to ask Joran if he did anything with/to* Natalee?  Bullshit Deepak.

[Kat_Gram]

Sand in car from Joran... When the HT's arive at the Sloot compound and Deepak and Joran are there, there is a statment from the laywer that is with Joe T's response... there is a statement from the lawyer with information provided by Beth / Jug, etc. Joran was dressed in a casual manner and there was sand. Deepak never says that it was the Sunday night that Joran got into his vehicle and messed it up with sand.
Could have been the Monday. That is my guess.
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Does anyone know where I can find the exact time that Beth and family / friends actually arrive at the Sloot compound ?  
.Deepak sya he got off work at 11:10 the Monday. Satish picked him up. They went to the Kalpoe house and then Deepak went to the Radisson as he had called Joran just before he got off work. Says he got to the Radisson at midnight. And he thinks they left to go to the Wyndham at 2 ish. In the Wyndham parking lot is when he says they got the call from Paulus.

[oldfart]

I know we have been kicking around Deepaks carpet ect...

but have to back-up just a bit  
from the his June 13th statement

To your question from whom I bought the car, I can say the following. I bought the car from a man called David GROSS. He works at a company called "Carufa". I must tell you that when they installed the sound in my car, they used a lot of glue and seal/sealant under the carpet of the car. They had to remove the carpets to pull new cables through the car. You can verify this at "Automotive Enterprises". The man who installed it is called Osman OSMAN. I don't know if anyone had an accident/car crash with this car prior to it being sold to me.

Why did Deepak volunteer all the additional information on the carpet?
He answered the question in the 1st sentence  undelined and then added all the other information unerlined in red.

Either there is a question posed that we did not get in this "document" or Deepak is maybe anticipating what the next question might relate to.

JMO

[Tylergal]

This is interesting from Deepak's statement:

"On Tuesday two weeks ago, about 19.00 hours, I went to the house of Joran. Freddie was at the house of Joran. Joran had said to me that he had told Freddie the story about the Holiday Inn and also the truth. Joran had said only Freddy because he is my best friend. I had asked Joran if he did anything with/to* the girl. Joran had told us that he did not do anything with/to* the girl and that the girl had fallen asleep on the beach and that he had left her there."

now Deepak was with Joran the next day/night after Natalee "disappears."  He is with Joran when he gets the call from Paulus that the family/police are at the house (this would have been Monday night right?)  And he goes to the van der sloot compound to meet with everyone, puts an alibi together on the way there or whatever, yet waits until 7:00pm on Tuesday to ask Joran if he did anything with/to* Natalee?  Bullshit Deepak.

Freddy must tell the truth.  He told Freddy the STORY ABOUT THE HI AND ALSO THE TRUTH.  (What is the truth?).  Freddy must tell the truth.

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Sand in car from Joran... When the HT's arive at the Sloot compound and Deepak and Joran are there, there is a statment from the laywer that is with Joe T's response... there is a statement from the lawyer with information provided by Beth / Jug, etc. Joran was dressed in a casual manner and there was sand. Deepak never says that it was the Sunday night that Joran got into his vehicle and messed it up with sand.
Could have been the Monday. That is my guess.
.
Does anyone know where I can find the exact time that Beth and family / friends actually arrive at the Sloot compound ?  
.Deepak sya he got off work at 11:10 the Monday. Satish picked him up. They went to the Kalpoe house and then Deepak went to the Radisson as he had called Joran just before he got off work. Says he got to the Radisson at midnight. And he thinks they left to go to the Wyndham at 2 ish. In the Wyndham parking lot is when he says they got the call from Paulus.

5:00 AM = The TWITTY’s, CROES, G. Ruffner PAGE Jr., Alberto, JODY BEARMAN, PAUL LILLY-the student chaperone, the UNITED STATES D.E.A. agent, the UNITED STATES F.B.I. agent, the CROES/TWITTY’s mutual friends, a kid who knows CROES, the kid who knows Prime Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT, and 2 ARUBAN policemen arrive back at SLOOT home.

BETH and JUG TWITTY told FOX News on 7-5 that it was Current Suspect DEEPAK KALPOE (not Current Suspect SATISH KALPOE) who was with Prime Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT casually leaning back against Current Suspect DEEPAK KALPOE’s “Honda” when the police pulled back up to the house at 5:00 AM on 5-31 and the meeting between the ARUBAN policemen, when the Suspects SLOOT‘s, the UNITED STATES D.E.A. agent, JODY BEARMAN, the UNITED STATES F.B.I. agent, PAUL LILLY-the student chaperone, and the TWITTY’s took place. (Current Suspect DEEPAK KALPOE, apparently, gave Prime Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT a ride home from “Wyndham Hotel“ casino? Where is Current Suspect SATISH KALPOE?)

BETH and JUG TWITTY told FOX News on 7-5 that it was Current Suspect DEEPAK KALPOE (not Current Suspect SATISH KALPOE) who was with Prime Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT and both Suspects were just casually leaning back against Current Suspect DEEPAK KALPOE’s “Honda” when the police pulled back up to the house at 5:00 AM on 5-31 and the meeting between the ARUBAN policemen, when the Suspects SLOOT‘s, the UNITED STATES D.E.A. agent, JODY BERMAN, PAUL LILLY-the student chaperone, and the TWITTY’s took place.

BETH stays in a car. The meeting lasts approximately 1 hour.

On 10-13 when BETH was asked if she heard any 5-31 early morning statements made by Prime Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT about him sexually assaulting NATALEE, BETH replied, “That would be information that I obtained second hand. I did not hear Joran say this among the group. I was the only witness that remained in the car, but Jug has since relayed exactly what Joran had said.”

[Anna]

I know we have been kicking around Deepaks carpet ect...

but have to back-up just a bit  
from the his June 13th statement

To your question from whom I bought the car, I can say the following. I bought the car from a man called David GROSS. He works at a company called "Carufa". I must tell you that when they installed the sound in my car, they used a lot of glue and seal/sealant under the carpet of the car. They had to remove the carpets to pull new cables through the car. You can verify this at "Automotive Enterprises". The man who installed it is called Osman OSMAN. I don't know if anyone had an accident/car crash with this car prior to it being sold to me.

Why did Deepak volunteer all the additional information on the carpet?
He answered the question in the 1st sentence  undelined and then added all the other information unerlined in red.

Either there is a question posed that we did not get in this "document" or Deepak is maybe anticipating what the next question might relate to.

JMO

OldFart,
He might be anticipating but he is supposed to state the question back in his answer to make sure he understood.  Is the method they seem to use in interrogation.  Since nothing about the added information, one would have to assume it volunteered as you say possibly in anticipation of another question.

But note each time they are required to state question back in their answer.  Very effective shortcut in transcribing I am sure.

.

[oldfart]

This is interesting from Deepak's statement:

"On Tuesday two weeks ago, about 19.00 hours, I went to the house of Joran. Freddie was at the house of Joran. Joran had said to me that he had told Freddie the story about the Holiday Inn and also the truth. Joran had said only Freddy because he is my best friend. I had asked Joran if he did anything with/to* the girl. Joran had told us that he did not do anything with/to* the girl and that the girl had fallen asleep on the beach and that he had left her there."

now Deepak was with Joran the next day/night after Natalee "disappears."  He is with Joran when he gets the call from Paulus that the family/police are at the house (this would have been Monday night right?)  And he goes to the van der sloot compound to meet with everyone, puts an alibi together on the way there or whatever, yet waits until 7:00pm on Tuesday to ask Joran if he did anything with/to* Natalee?  Bullshit Deepak.

Blah
Now now...  now cussing...COW PIES are acceptable and maybe even this


You do not want to be in LaLa's book do you

Besides he was 21-22 at the time and when Joarn says this is the story we need to tell ......and he agrees...
YUP... we have not a clue yet as to the real truth..

JMO of course

[blah]

This is interesting from Deepak's statement:

"On Tuesday two weeks ago, about 19.00 hours, I went to the house of Joran. Freddie was at the house of Joran. Joran had said to me that he had told Freddie the story about the Holiday Inn and also the truth. Joran had said only Freddy because he is my best friend. I had asked Joran if he did anything with/to* the girl. Joran had told us that he did not do anything with/to* the girl and that the girl had fallen asleep on the beach and that he had left her there."

now Deepak was with Joran the next day/night after Natalee "disappears."  He is with Joran when he gets the call from Paulus that the family/police are at the house (this would have been Monday night right?)  And he goes to the van der sloot compound to meet with everyone, puts an alibi together on the way there or whatever, yet waits until 7:00pm on Tuesday to ask Joran if he did anything with/to* Natalee?  Bullshit Deepak.

Freddy must tell the truth.  He told Freddy the STORY ABOUT THE HI AND ALSO THE TRUTH.  (What is the truth?).  Freddy must tell the truth.

Freddy knows the truth and could make $250 grand in 10 minutes by doing the right thing.  He would then probably be a millionaire very soon after.  Freddy - do the right thing.

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Blah
Now now...  now cussing...COW PIES are acceptable and maybe even this


You do not want to be in LaLa's book do you

Besides he was 21-22 at the time and when Joarn says this is the story we need to tell ......and he agrees...
YUP... we have not a clue yet as to the real truth..

JMO of course

if you only knew how much cussing this case has caused me.  I'd be in the poor house if i had to put a quarter in the jukebox everytime.

[Smish]

Just to add a little regarding the work that was done on Deepak's car.  My nephew happened to walk in the house and I show him the part of Deepak's statement about his car.  My nephew does the exact kind of work that Deepak is talking about.  I asked him for his comments and he said the following:

Automotive carpet is formed to the contour of the car and is not glued down it is held in place by the seats and door sill plates. Also there is no reason to remove the carpet to run wires. Even in the most expensive systems there is no reason to remove the carpet.  In order to remove the carpet you must remove the front and rear seats and center console.  Also if you have the same make/model car all the parts are interchangeable.

  Hmmmm,very interesting,also very interesting that Deepak even brought this up as it is now a obvious lie.Why make up a lie if you don't HAVE to?I think he got the carpet and some other parts of his car switched out....they may have had Natalee's blood or other DNA on them.

I think the whole car was switched out from one with tinted windows to one without tinted windows.  The muffler & DVD's & stereo being added too.  Easier to switch out the whole car then to try to make sure every hair, every skin cell, every last drop of blood or DNA is out of the car.

OH!
I agree SunFreak.....who does J2K know who has used cars?Didn't Lorenzo's Father own a dealer ship?

[oldfart]

Blah
page 8 has my original question and quote from Deepak statement of something like Joran almost fell in the water.
Water at the casinos..??
I think Shiz and I are assuming that he was summoned to the police station within a day or two.  It may have been longer.
Whenever it occured when was Joarn with him and got sand in the car prior to that.
IF the BEACH drop occured as described.. Joran got out and left and no one picked him up in that car  NO sand from Joran on that occasion

Anna
Why would Deepak be anticipating a question of why the carpet in his car was glued down?  When they only asked who the prior owner was?

[Smish]

KLAASEN, what is the date of the rush to the courthouse where JR inserts herself into this, after summoning Jug & Beth to let her ride with them to the courthouse.  I have it from a 6/13/05 article, but not sure that is the date of the occurrence.

I believe it was June 13th.

But wait,When renHO went with the family to the courthouse wasn't this because renHO said they had Nat's body there?If so,then a body was reported twice?

Wouldn't it seem strange that they would take a body to a courthouse and not a hospital, morgue, or coroner's office?

It seems like a diversionary tactic because the family was getting too close.  They had to throw the family off the track and move the body to a secure location when they knew the family would be diverted.

OMG...yes,true and possible.So what searches were going on about the time that renHO did this diversion?

[oldfart]

<<snip>>
if you only knew how much cussing this case has caused me.  I'd be in the poor house if i had to put a quarter in the jukebox every time.

Mom had an old style Mason Jar that we all had to put nickel, dime or quarter into based upon the word used.  Anything over a quarter did not matter..
that got into different restrictions (for me anyway)

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Blah
page 8 has my original question and quote from Deepak statement of something like Joran almost fell in the water.
Water at the casinos..??
I think Shiz and I are assuming that he was summoned to the police station within a day or two.  It may have been longer.
Whenever it occured when was Joarn with him and got sand in the car prior to that.
IF the BEACH drop occured as described.. Joran got out and left and no one picked him up in that car  NO sand from Joran on that occasion

Anna
Why would Deepak be anticipating a question of why the carpet in his car was glued down?  When they only asked who the prior owner was?

seems to have been a really sandy area where the gardner witness claims to have seen them sitting in the car, right?

[Kat_Gram]

Sand in car from Joran... When the HT's arive at the Sloot compound and Deepak and Joran are there, there is a statment from the laywer that is with Joe T's response... there is a statement from the lawyer with information provided by Beth / Jug, etc. Joran was dressed in a casual manner and there was sand. Deepak never says that it was the Sunday night that Joran got into his vehicle and messed it up with sand.
Could have been the Monday. That is my guess.
.
Does anyone know where I can find the exact time that Beth and family / friends actually arrive at the Sloot compound ?  
.Deepak says he got off work at 11:10 the Monday. Satish picked him up. They went to the Kalpoe house and then Deepak went to the Radisson as he had called Joran just before he got off work. Says he got to the Radisson at midnight. And he thinks they left to go to the Wyndham at 2 ish. In the Wyndham parking lot is when he says they got the call from Paulus.

5:00 AM = The TWITTY’s, CROES, G. Ruffner PAGE Jr., Alberto, JODY BEARMAN, PAUL LILLY-the student chaperone, the UNITED STATES D.E.A. agent, the UNITED STATES F.B.I. agent, the CROES/TWITTY’s mutual friends, a kid who knows CROES, the kid who knows Prime Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT, and 2 ARUBAN policemen arrive back at SLOOT home.
BETH and JUG TWITTY told FOX News on 7-5 that it was Current Suspect DEEPAK KALPOE (not Current Suspect SATISH KALPOE) who was with Prime Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT casually leaning back against Current Suspect DEEPAK KALPOE’s “Honda” when the police pulled back up to the house at 5:00 AM on 5-31 and the meeting between the ARUBAN policemen, when the Suspects SLOOT‘s, the UNITED STATES D.E.A. agent, JODY BEARMAN, the UNITED STATES F.B.I. agent, PAUL LILLY-the student chaperone, and the TWITTY’s took place. (Current Suspect DEEPAK KALPOE, apparently, gave Prime Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT a ride home from “Wyndham Hotel“ casino? Where is Current Suspect SATISH KALPOE?)

BETH and JUG TWITTY told FOX News on 7-5 that it was Current Suspect DEEPAK KALPOE (not Current Suspect SATISH KALPOE) who was with Prime Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT and both Suspects were just casually leaning back against Current Suspect DEEPAK KALPOE’s “Honda” when the police pulled back up to the house at 5:00 AM on 5-31 and the meeting between the ARUBAN policemen, when the Suspects SLOOT‘s, the UNITED STATES D.E.A. agent, JODY BERMAN, PAUL LILLY-the student chaperone, and the TWITTY’s took place.

BETH stays in a car. The meeting lasts approximately 1 hour.

On 10-13 when BETH was asked if she heard any 5-31 early morning statements made by Prime Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT about him sexually assaulting NATALEE, BETH replied, “That would be information that I obtained second hand. I did not hear Joran say this among the group. I was the only witness that remained in the car, but Jug has since relayed exactly what Joran had said.”

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Ok, so they went to the house. the first time.... then they went to the Wyndham because that is where Joran told his Dad he was. But Joran and Deepak weren't there because Paulus told him to stay there and Joran went home. Did they pass each other on the road ?
I am looking for some time in between Joran and Deepak leaving the Radisson to getting back to the Sloots where Joran could almost fall in the water.

[oldfart]

Blah
page 8 has my original question and quote from Deepak statement of something like Joran almost fell in the water.
Water at the casinos..??
I think Shiz and I are assuming that he was summoned to the police station within a day or two.  It may have been longer.
Whenever it occured when was Joarn with him and got sand in the car prior to that.
IF the BEACH drop occured as described.. Joran got out and left and no one picked him up in that car  NO sand from Joran on that occasion

Anna
Why would Deepak be anticipating a question of why the carpet in his car was glued down?  When they only asked who the prior owner was?

seems to have been a really sandy area where the gardner witness claims to have seen them sitting in the car, right?

I do not belive that Deepak admitted he was seen on the beach by the gardner.   I do not think Jammie Skeeters asked if he was there .. Only something about the gardner could not identify the 3rd person and he said something like " my brother"  which everone was / is assuming

It would have been nice if after hearing Joran got sand in the car.. the investigators (using that term loosely)  would have asked when & where did this occur.

[Smish]

Just to add a little regarding the work that was done on Deepak's car.  My nephew happened to walk in the house and I show him the part of Deepak's statement about his car.  My nephew does the exact kind of work that Deepak is talking about.  I asked him for his comments and he said the following:

Automotive carpet is formed to the contour of the car and is not glued down it is held in place by the seats and door sill plates. Also there is no reason to remove the carpet to run wires. Even in the most expensive systems there is no reason to remove the carpet.  In order to remove the carpet you must remove the front and rear seats and center console.  Also if you have the same make/model car all the parts are interchangeable.

I am an automotive engineer (over 14 years now) and I agree with your nephew.  Also, there is no reason to use "sealant" as Deepak says unless they are replacing a portion of the floor pan (a section of the sheet metal under the carpet)  Interesting that he says he doesnt know if previous owne had any accidents.  Could a portion of the floor pan have been replaced in Deepaks car?  This would be the only way to truley get rid of any DNA evidence as there are many areas under the carpet that could hold dna evidence.

maybe they used this "glue and sealants" to cover any trace evidence?

The above is the most likely scenario although I tend to believe the back seat and headliner might have also been replaced.  No way to know of those as probably do not require the glue.

As for replacing the entire car, even in Aruba cars are likely registered using the VIN number.  This is put on various parts and places throughout cars these days as an anti-theft, stripping precaution and it is just about impossible to remove all the different places a VIN (Vehicle Identification Number given by the manufacturer) in all these nooks and crannies.  That is the point of putting them there and in places one cannot access without taking the motor apart, etc.

For this reason I do not think it would have been possible to switch out the entire car.  Blah would probably know about this as would other posters.  You could never find let alone chance all the VIN numbers on the average car without a great deal of trouble and time.

JMO

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You may if the only ones looking at said car are the corrupt ALE.They could have just changed the whole car for appearances sake.Did Deepak ever get that car sold?

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Ok, so they went to the house. the first time.... then they went to the Wyndham because that is where Joran told his Dad he was. But Joran and Deepak weren't there because Paulus told him to stay there and Joran went home. Did they pass each other on the road ?
I am looking for some time in between Joran and Deepak leaving the Radisson to getting back to the Sloots where Joran could almost fall in the water.

ok, now i am confused.  when did the sand supposedly get in the car?  I thought he vacuumed the sand on Sunday night before he picked up Joran to goto CnC's.

are we thinking the sand got in there sometime after leaving CnC's and before the run in with the family the next night?  If this is the case, i'm all screwed up here and need to re read something.

[blah]

Blah
page 8 has my original question and quote from Deepak statement of something like Joran almost fell in the water.
Water at the casinos..??
I think Shiz and I are assuming that he was summoned to the police station within a day or two.  It may have been longer.
Whenever it occured when was Joarn with him and got sand in the car prior to that.
IF the BEACH drop occured as described.. Joran got out and left and no one picked him up in that car  NO sand from Joran on that occasion

Anna
Why would Deepak be anticipating a question of why the carpet in his car was glued down?  When they only asked who the prior owner was?

seems to have been a really sandy area where the gardner witness claims to have seen them sitting in the car, right?

I do not belive that Deepak admitted he was seen on the beach by the gardner.   I do not think Jammie Skeeters asked if he was there .. Only something about the gardner could not identify the 3rd person and he said something like " my brother"  which everone was / is assuming

It would have been nice if after hearing Joran got sand in the car.. the investigators (using that term loosely)  would have asked when & where did this occur.

I need to go reread some stuff cuz i'm all messed up on this sand thing.

[AZSunny]

I know we have been kicking around Deepaks carpet ect...

but have to back-up just a bit  
from the his June 13th statement

To your question from whom I bought the car, I can say the following. I bought the car from a man called David GROSS. He works at a company called "Carufa". I must tell you that when they installed the sound in my car, they used a lot of glue and seal/sealant under the carpet of the car. They had to remove the carpets to pull new cables through the car. You can verify this at "Automotive Enterprises". The man who installed it is called Osman OSMAN. I don't know if anyone had an accident/car crash with this car prior to it being sold to me.

Why did Deepak volunteer all the additional information on the carpet?
He answered the question in the 1st sentence  undelined and then added all the other information unerlined in red.

Either there is a question posed that we did not get in this "document" or Deepak is maybe anticipating what the next question might relate to.

JMO

Old Fart,  when the 3 were in the police car, and the conversation was recorded, Joran made a reference to Deepak regarding the Automotive Enterprises"  How does this tie in?