Lively Case Discussion #509 8/9 - 8/10/2006

[oldfart]

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Ok, so they went to the house. the first time.... then they went to the Wyndham because that is where Joran told his Dad he was. But Joran and Deepak weren't there because Paulus told him to stay there and Joran went home. Did they pass each other on the road ?
I am looking for some time in between Joran and Deepak leaving the Radisson to getting back to the Sloots where Joran could almost fall in the water.

ok, now i am confused.  when did the sand supposedly get in the car?  I thought he vacuumed the sand on Sunday night before he picked up Joran to goto CnC's.

are we thinking the sand got in there sometime after leaving CnC's and before the run in with the family the next night?  If this is the case, i'm all screwed up here and need to re read something.

BLAH
June 10th statement
http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=166
do a find on sand.. read a little before too  at least back to this point
"To your question whether I can remember the day when I was summoned to the police station at Bubali, I can say the following. Yes I remember that day. "

[AZSunny]

Blah
page 8 has my original question and quote from Deepak statement of something like Joran almost fell in the water.
Water at the casinos..??
I think Shiz and I are assuming that he was summoned to the police station within a day or two.  It may have been longer.
Whenever it occured when was Joarn with him and got sand in the car prior to that.
IF the BEACH drop occured as described.. Joran got out and left and no one picked him up in that car  NO sand from Joran on that occasion

Anna
Why would Deepak be anticipating a question of why the carpet in his car was glued down?  When they only asked who the prior owner was?

seems to have been a really sandy area where the gardner witness claims to have seen them sitting in the car, right?

He said he vaccummed the car prior to going to CandC's because there 'were ants" in the car, and he didn't want the "girls to get ants on them"

I do not belive that Deepak admitted he was seen on the beach by the gardner.   I do not think Jammie Skeeters asked if he was there .. Only something about the gardner could not identify the 3rd person and he said something like " my brother"  which everone was / is assuming

It would have been nice if after hearing Joran got sand in the car.. the investigators (using that term loosely)  would have asked when & where did this occur.

I need to go reread some stuff cuz i'm all messed up on this sand thing.

[AZSunny]

He said he vaccummed the car prior to going to CandC's because there 'were ants" in the car, and he didn't want the "girls to get ants on them"

[Tylergal]

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Ok, so they went to the house. the first time.... then they went to the Wyndham because that is where Joran told his Dad he was. But Joran and Deepak weren't there because Paulus told him to stay there and Joran went home. Did they pass each other on the road ?
I am looking for some time in between Joran and Deepak leaving the Radisson to getting back to the Sloots where Joran could almost fall in the water.

ok, now i am confused.  when did the sand supposedly get in the car?  I thought he vacuumed the sand on Sunday night before he picked up Joran to goto CnC's.

are we thinking the sand got in there sometime after leaving CnC's and before the run in with the family the next night?  If this is the case, i'm all screwed up here and need to re read something.

BLAH
June 10th statement
http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=166
do a find on sand.. read a little before too  at least back to this point
"To your question whether I can remember the day when I was summoned to the police station at Bubali, I can say the following. Yes I remember that day. "

Did anyone ever answer my question as to the fact I believe that the Vandersloot "boys" went to the police station just hours after Beth & Jug were at their house, say around 10 a.m.  I think it was said Paulus accompanied his slug son.  If that is correct, then did they call K2 or did K2 accompany them?

[Tylergal]

He said he vaccummed the car prior to going to CandC's because there 'were ants" in the car, and he didn't want the "girls to get ants on them"

I guess Florin (or whatever her name was) is the girl they hoped would accompany them and help them lure tourists to locations where they would make pimp videos.

[oldfart]

I know we have been kicking around Deepaks carpet ect...

but have to back-up just a bit  
from the his June 13th statement

To your question from whom I bought the car, I can say the following. I bought the car from a man called David GROSS. He works at a company called "Carufa". I must tell you that when they installed the sound in my car, they used a lot of glue and seal/sealant under the carpet of the car. They had to remove the carpets to pull new cables through the car. You can verify this at "Automotive Enterprises". The man who installed it is called Osman OSMAN. I don't know if anyone had an accident/car crash with this car prior to it being sold to me.

Why did Deepak volunteer all the additional information on the carpet?
He answered the question in the 1st sentence  undelined and then added all the other information unerlined in red.

Either there is a question posed that we did not get in this "document" or Deepak is maybe anticipating what the next question might relate to.

JMO

Old Fart,  when the 3 were in the police car, and the conversation was recorded, Joran made a reference to Deepak regarding the Automotive Enterprises"  How does this tie in?

AZSunny

I do not know....I can speculate....  
My point is WHY DID HE BRING UP THAT THE CARPET IS GLUED DOWN
when he was not asked (as far as we can tell) about the carpet.?
He did mention spill on the carpet.. WAS any trace of said spill looked for or found?

AS far as "Automotive Enterprises".. I bet they can replace automoblie carpets or the materials / tools in the shop are appropriate for someone to do it.

[Tylergal]

He said he vaccummed the car prior to going to CandC's because there 'were ants" in the car, and he didn't want the "girls to get ants on them"

I recall that and I also recall that he vacuumed the car the following week on Sunday, yet again.  Not the same Sunday, but a week following the trip to C&C.  Were they assuming girls were just waiting to be picked up for the fluffah/snuffa videos.

[Kat_Gram]

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Ok, so they went to the house. the first time.... then they went to the Wyndham because that is where Joran told his Dad he was. But Joran and Deepak weren't there because Paulus told him to stay there and Joran went home. Did they pass each other on the road ?
I am looking for some time in between Joran and Deepak leaving the Radisson to getting back to the Sloots where Joran could almost fall in the water.

ok, now i am confused.  when did the sand supposedly get in the car?  I thought he vacuumed the sand on Sunday night before he picked up Joran to goto CnC's.

are we thinking the sand got in there sometime after leaving CnC's and before the run in with the family the next night?  If this is the case, i'm all screwed up here and need to re read something.

BLAH
June 10th statement
http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=166
do a find on sand.. read a little before too  at least back to this point
"To your question whether I can remember the day when I was summoned to the police station at Bubali, I can say the following. Yes I remember that day. "

Deepak does not say when the sand got in the car.
He vacuumed the ants out before they went to C & C's.
He says he vacuumed the day before they went to Bulbai.
Monday night, when they said they had just left the Radisson to go to the Wyndham, they were in the Wyndham parking lot at 2 ish when Paul called. I am saying ? Didn't the HT's get to the Sloot compound the first time later than 2 ish ?

[Kat_Gram]

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Ok, so they went to the house. the first time.... then they went to the Wyndham because that is where Joran told his Dad he was. But Joran and Deepak weren't there because Paulus told him to stay there and Joran went home. Did they pass each other on the road ?
I am looking for some time in between Joran and Deepak leaving the Radisson to getting back to the Sloots where Joran could almost fall in the water.

ok, now i am confused.  when did the sand supposedly get in the car?  I thought he vacuumed the sand on Sunday night before he picked up Joran to goto CnC's.

are we thinking the sand got in there sometime after leaving CnC's and before the run in with the family the next night?  If this is the case, i'm all screwed up here and need to re read something.

BLAH
June 10th statement
http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=166
do a find on sand.. read a little before too  at least back to this point
"To your question whether I can remember the day when I was summoned to the police station at Bubali, I can say the following. Yes I remember that day. "

Did anyone ever answer my question as to the fact I believe that the Vandersloot "boys" went to the police station just hours after Beth & Jug were at their house, say around 10 a.m.  I think it was said Paulus accompanied his slug son.  If that is correct, then did they call K2 or did K2 accompany them?

It wasn't the Tuesday. paulus wnet ans poke to theheadmaster, Robert Werner as to why Joran was late for school. As they had been up with the people from the States.

[oldfart]

Did anyone ever answer my question as to the fact I believe that the Vandersloot "boys" went to the police station just hours after Beth & Jug were at their house, say around 10 a.m.  I think it was said Paulus accompanied his slug son.  If that is correct, then did they call K2 or did K2 accompany them?

Tyler
Going from memory (what is left tonight) Joran went in AFTER school Monday sometime (i think).  It seems the three were required to give statements on Monday or Tuesday but I do not have a link or quote.
When Deepak went to the station at Bubali could have been then or later.
The Durn investigators( ) did not state the date in the interview..
Whether the younger son ever gave a statement.. I have no idea.
If he was home when Beth Arrived you would think the police would have aske for something..  EVEN if he said he slept through the entire night.

[SunFreak2]

Did anyone ever answer my question as to the fact I believe that the Vandersloot "boys" went to the police station just hours after Beth & Jug were at their house, say around 10 a.m.  I think it was said Paulus accompanied his slug son.  If that is correct, then did they call K2 or did K2 accompany them?

May 31- ~2:30 AM - BHT group arrives at Noord police station and wait for police to accompany them to the vd Sloot home

May 31 – 3 AM – Paulus emerges from house and takes the group to the Wyndham looking for Joran.  Joran is allegedly gambling with Deepak & Guido Wever at the Radisson and Wyndham casinos that evening.

May 31 – until 5 AM -  Group returns to vd Sloot home & confrontation ensues in which Joran & Deepak claim they dropped Natalee at the HI at 2AM where she encounters a security guard after stumbling & hitting her head on the ground.  Joran allegedly gives details of his sexual encounter with Natalee.  Paulus allegedly says he picked Joran up from McDonalds at 4 AM, which he later changes to 11 PM.   At some point the group allegedly goes to the Holiday Inn to view the drop off site.  

May 31 – 10 AM Beth & Jug arrive at Noord police station to file missing person report, but are told it is not needed. Reportedly, the police referred to Natalee as “puta” and Beth & Jug were made to wait while Jacobs shaves and has “corn flakes”

May 31 – ~3 PM – J2K are questioned & released

[Lala'sMom]

Good evening monkeys, how is everyone?

[Tylergal]

Did anyone ever answer my question as to the fact I believe that the Vandersloot "boys" went to the police station just hours after Beth & Jug were at their house, say around 10 a.m.  I think it was said Paulus accompanied his slug son.  If that is correct, then did they call K2 or did K2 accompany them?

Tyler
Going from memory (what is left tonight) Joran went in AFTER school Monday sometime (i think).  It seems the three were required to give statements on Monday or Tuesday but I do not have a link or quote.
When Deepak went to the station at Bubali could have been then or later.
The Durn investigators( ) did not state the date in the interview..
Whether the younger son ever gave a statement.. I have no idea.
If he was home when Beth Arrived you would think the police would have aske for something..  EVEN if he said he slept through the entire night.

It seems like I remember them going in to make statements and Paulus accompanied them, at least Joran.  

Joran is the ONLY ONE who says younger son was there at home.  According to the manifest that Widget found, two sons accompanied Anita home later that week.  There was never any manifest found with Paulus name on it for that Sunday (when the sporter said he had to go to pick his father up at airport on arrival from Holland).  There was also never any verification whether or not Paulus had ever been anywhere or not.  Also, Joran later says he cannot drive, does not know how.  Did he lie about going to pick up his father or did he lie about his brother being home alone?  So many lies, such a big head.

[oldfart]

Good evening monkeys, how is everyone?

Hi Lala's
Minor cussin & spitting

Seems like a lot us would like to have a one on one with some people and ask them a LOT better questions than they did and maybe

[Lala'sMom]

Good evening monkeys, how is everyone?

Hi Lala's
Minor cussin & spitting

Seems like a lot us would like to have a one on one with some people and ask them a LOT better questions than they did and maybe

I noticed that.  Think Blah has a few pages dedicated to him tonight.  

[oldfart]

Good evening monkeys, how is everyone?

Hi Lala's
Minor cussin & spitting

Seems like a lot us would like to have a one on one with some people and ask them a LOT better questions than they did and maybe

I noticed that.  Think Blah has a few pages dedicated to him tonight.  

If we cuss or spit using Graphic   ie.. not typing the words   Does it still count against us?? or is it double  since a picture is worth a 1000 words?
Just wondering

[San]

Did anyone ever answer my question as to the fact I believe that the Vandersloot "boys" went to the police station just hours after Beth & Jug were at their house, say around 10 a.m.  I think it was said Paulus accompanied his slug son.  If that is correct, then did they call K2 or did K2 accompany them?

May 31- ~2:30 AM - BHT group arrives at Noord police station and wait for police to accompany them to the vd Sloot home

May 31 – 3 AM – Paulus emerges from house and takes the group to the Wyndham looking for Joran.  Joran is allegedly gambling with Deepak & Guido Wever at the Radisson and Wyndham casinos that evening.

May 31 – until 5 AM -  Group returns to vd Sloot home & confrontation ensues in which Joran & Deepak claim they dropped Natalee at the HI at 2AM where she encounters a security guard after stumbling & hitting her head on the ground.  Joran allegedly gives details of his sexual encounter with Natalee.  Paulus allegedly says he picked Joran up from McDonalds at 4 AM, which he later changes to 11 PM.   At some point the group allegedly goes to the Holiday Inn to view the drop off site.  

May 31 – 10 AM Beth & Jug arrive at Noord police station to file missing person report, but are told it is not needed. Reportedly, the police referred to Natalee as “puta” and Beth & Jug were made to wait while Jacobs shaves and has “corn flakes”

May 31 – ~3 PM – J2K are questioned & released

Everytime I read this just makes me want to blow their brains out.

[blah]

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Ok, so they went to the house. the first time.... then they went to the Wyndham because that is where Joran told his Dad he was. But Joran and Deepak weren't there because Paulus told him to stay there and Joran went home. Did they pass each other on the road ?
I am looking for some time in between Joran and Deepak leaving the Radisson to getting back to the Sloots where Joran could almost fall in the water.

ok, now i am confused.  when did the sand supposedly get in the car?  I thought he vacuumed the sand on Sunday night before he picked up Joran to goto CnC's.

are we thinking the sand got in there sometime after leaving CnC's and before the run in with the family the next night?  If this is the case, i'm all screwed up here and need to re read something.

BLAH
June 10th statement
http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=166
do a find on sand.. read a little before too  at least back to this point
"To your question whether I can remember the day when I was summoned to the police station at Bubali, I can say the following. Yes I remember that day. "

ok, its starting to make more sense now - not that what Deepak is saying really makes any sense.  So we have Deepak stating that he vacuumed the car before picking Joran up to goto CnC's and we also have Deepak stating that he vacuumed his car the day before he was summoned to the police station at Bubali (whenever that was) because Joran almost fell in the water and got sand all over his shorts and legs.

[2NJSons_Mom]

Um...Red spelled out the sh*t word on the FP...I noticed, OF & Lala's.

Was wondering about something.  We previously read that Joran said that Deepak parked his car by the Radisson, and they walked to the Wyndam..the statement says they got in the car to drive to the Wyndam, when Paulus called...what's up with that??....just wondering, like OF and many others.

[oldfart]

[quote="Tylergal']
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It seems like I remember them going in to make statements and Paulus accompanied them, at least Joran.  

Joran is the ONLY ONE who says younger son was there at home.  According to the manifest that Widget found, two sons accompanied Anita home later that week.  There was never any manifest found with Paulus name on it for that Sunday (when the sporter said he had to go to pick his father up at airport on arrival from Holland).  There was also never any verification whether or not Paulus had ever been anywhere or not.  Also, Joran later says he cannot drive, does not know how.  Did he lie about going to pick up his father or did he lie about his brother being home alone?  So many lies, such a big head.[/quote]

I do not doubt what Widget found... I doubt what they may have been told by the airlines {Salt sack}

This is a basic item that Aruban News outlets or even the police should be able to verify as who was in the home that night.  
ie.. IF one or more younger brothers were home.. fine.. no misinformation has been put out.. STATE it  as fact.  
To not do so lends more to the cover-up theory

JMO