Lively Case Discussion #509 8/9 - 8/10/2006

[Lala'sMom]

OF
Yes, a picture is worth a thousand words...and I can count.  

[Jacqueline]

Blah....I love your new BLAH avi...
very cool...

I jus googled for latest news on natalee holloway and the ABC interview PRIME TIME popped up, transcript and time was 6 hours ago.

Just out of curiosity, did they re run this tonight?

I am wondering why that interview would pop up under Latest news...

Thanks if anyone knows.........

[2NJSons_Mom]

Did anyone ever answer my question as to the fact I believe that the Vandersloot "boys" went to the police station just hours after Beth & Jug were at their house, say around 10 a.m.  I think it was said Paulus accompanied his slug son.  If that is correct, then did they call K2 or did K2 accompany them?

May 31- ~2:30 AM - BHT group arrives at Noord police station and wait for police to accompany them to the vd Sloot home

May 31 – 3 AM – Paulus emerges from house and takes the group to the Wyndham looking for Joran.  Joran is allegedly gambling with Deepak & Guido Wever at the Radisson and Wyndham casinos that evening.

May 31 – until 5 AM -  Group returns to vd Sloot home & confrontation ensues in which Joran & Deepak claim they dropped Natalee at the HI at 2AM where she encounters a security guard after stumbling & hitting her head on the ground.  Joran allegedly gives details of his sexual encounter with Natalee.  Paulus allegedly says he picked Joran up from McDonalds at 4 AM, which he later changes to 11 PM.   At some point the group allegedly goes to the Holiday Inn to view the drop off site.  

May 31 – 10 AM Beth & Jug arrive at Noord police station to file missing person report, but are told it is not needed. Reportedly, the police referred to Natalee as “puta” and Beth & Jug were made to wait while Jacobs shaves and has “corn flakes”

May 31 – ~3 PM – J2K are questioned & released

Everytime I read this just makes me want to blow their brains out.

Hear ya, San...when this occurs, usually the party is speaking of themselves, but trying to divert it to others.

[blah]

Blah....I love your new BLAH avi...
very cool...

I jus googled for latest news on natalee holloway and the ABC interview PRIME TIME popped up, transcript and time was 6 hours ago.

Just out of curiosity, did they re run this tonight?

I am wondering why that interview would pop up under Latest news...

Thanks if anyone knows.........

Thanks Jacqueline, Anna gave it to me.  I'm starting to get tired/brain is shutting down.  Probably wont be here much longer.

[Jacqueline]

Blah....I love your new BLAH avi...
very cool...

I jus googled for latest news on natalee holloway and the ABC interview PRIME TIME popped up, transcript and time was 6 hours ago.

Just out of curiosity, did they re run this tonight?

I am wondering why that interview would pop up under Latest news...

Thanks if anyone knows.........

Thanks Jacqueline, Anna gave it to me.  I'm starting to get tired/brain is shutting down.  Probably wont be here much longer.

I'm tired too....

Well Anna out did herself on this one...It's simple. Cool.  And blue. And I love blue....

[oldfart]

SunFreak  
thanks for the timeline... we still do not know what date the summons to Deepak to the police were occured ~ there could have been more than one

2NJ  
you can talk to LaLa's to see if she makes book entries for Front Page posters

Tyler  
Sorry I messed up you qoute with my post

Blah
Glad we are on at least SEMI on the same page.now.

Like I said sometime yesterday(?)
when I grounded my kids from going to the Mall or someplace they asked more intelligent qustions than you get out of ALE in these statement

[Kat_Gram]

here is what I was looking for : The Greta and Charlie :

VAN SUSTEREN: So you drove over to the van der Sloot home. And any idea about what time you arrived there?
C. CROES: Close to 3:00.

VAN SUSTEREN: Prior to that time when you went to the house, had you ever heard of the van der Sloot's or had you ever been to their house before?

C. CROES: Never.

VAN SUSTEREN: So then what happened next?

C. CROES: What happened next was that, in the interim of doing that, we had notified the family that we had found a house. Then they asked us to meet them at the police station. So we went back over to the police station.

VAN SUSTEREN: About how far is the police station from the van der Sloot house?

C. CROES: Actually very close.

VAN SUSTEREN: So what did do you next? What time did you leave the police station about?

C. CROES: Some time between 2:40, 2:30, 2:45… at that time.

VAN SUSTEREN: A.M.?

C. CROES: Yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: And where did you go?

C. CROES: Right to the house.

VAN SUSTEREN: Who went?

C. CROES: All of the people that were there, myself included.
...........................
So, Monday night.. Deepak says the call came after they left the Radisson. They were going back to the Wyndham. Deepak got to the Radisson at 12:00 and they stayed and played for about two hours.
They left after Joran had some sort of a scene with a tourist. Guido went to take Anrde home. Deepak and Joran say they are going to the Wyndham and when they are in the parking lot at 2 ish they get the call.
Their presence is public until 2 am in the Radisson and they are not seen again until the HT's come back from the Wyndham. This is about 1 1/2 hours unaccounted for. Joran is wearing shorts and is sandy.

[Tylergal]

ORANJESTAD, Aruba — One of the three suspects being held in Aruba for the disappearance of an Alabama teen vacationing there has been moved from a jail to a prison, while the other two are expected to be transported today, two sources confirmed with FOX News.

A judge ruled last night that Deepak Kalpoe, who was moved to a prison last night, Satish Kalpoe and Joran van der Sloot can be held for eight more days while the investigation into Natalee Holloway's (search) disappearance continues.

Authorities on Friday arrested another person in connection with the disappearance of missing honors student, officials said.

According to sources, the new man detained is a 26-year-old friend of van der Sloot (search), the Dutch teenager who is said to have been with Holloway the night she disappeared.

The Aruban attorney general's office initially identified him only by the initials "S.G.C.," but Holloway's mother told an interviewer that his name was "Steve." FOX News later confirmed that the man's name was Steve Gregory Croes.

Meanwhile, police brought in yet another man for questioning Friday night, FOX News has learned. The man, Max Arends, who is also a friend of van der Sloot, is not a suspect in the case and has not been arrested.

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Police Superintendent Jan van der Straaten told The Associated Press Croes was detained based on information from one of the other three detainees.

Croes, who works as a party boat disk jockey, said he was contacted by police Thursday night and went to the station voluntarily to give a statement, said his employer, Marcus Wiggins.

Croes also said he knew one of two Surinamese brothers being detained in the case because they went to the same Internet cafe, Wiggins told The Associated Press. However, Wiggins said that he had not seen the other three young men detained in the case on the boat where Croes works, a vessel called the Tattoo that offers nightly dining, swimming and dancing.

As for Croes' work ethic, Wiggins had nothing bad to say.

"I've never had problems with him," Wiggins told the AP. "He keeps to himself and shows up to work every day and does his job."

In Alabama, a woman who helped organize the graduation trip, Jody Bearman, said students did not go on the Tattoo as a group, although some could have taken a boat ride without the seven adult chaperones knowing.

"The chaperones were not supposed to keep up with their every move," Bearman said.

FOX News also learned that police may have questioned yet another young man, said to be of Dutch nationality, on Thursday night.

Mariaine Croes, spokeswoman for the Aruban Attorney General Caren Janssen, confirmed that Steve Croes was "in custody and being interrogated."

"Every day that the investigation continues," she told FOX News, "we are a step closer to solving this case."

Mariaine Croes also said she was no relation to Steve Croes, adding that the surname was a common one on the island.

In a separate development, a judge ruled that two of the detainees, Surinamese brothers Deepak Kalpoe (search), 21, and Satish Kalpoe (search), 18, were granted access to documents they have asked for, according to their lawyer.

Van der Sloot and the Kalpoes were questioned and released shortly after Holloway's May 30 disappearance, but then formally arrested June 9, after police moved their focus away from two security guards who had been arrested and were later released.

Beth Holloway Twitty, Holloway's mother, declined to give any more details about Croes but she told Associated Press Television News that she believes more people could be detained in the case.

"This is just the beginning," she said.

Holloway Twitty has been in Aruba (search) since nearly the early days of the search for her daughter.

"I want my daughter and I want her now," she said. "I'm very frustrated. We are in day 18 with no answers."

Paul Reynolds, Holloway's uncle, told FOX News the family remained confident that they would find out what happened.

"The authorities in Aruba and the United States are assuring us every effort will be made to find out what has occurred," Reynolds said Friday.

Van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers appeared in court Friday morning. It was not clear where Croes was being held.

Prosecutors asked a judge to rule that there was sufficient cause to continue holding van der Sloot and the Kalpoes. The three were detained June 9. Under the law, a judge must review their case after 10 days, rendering a decision by Sunday.

No one has been charged with a crime in the case.

The judge granted a petition by van der Sloot's father, Paul, to visit his son in jail, but then reversed the decision. Paul van der Sloot is a judge-in-training, serving a three-year term on the bench that allows him to hear a limited number of cases.

Also Friday, the court barred van der Sloot's lawyer, Antonio Carlo, from visiting the teen, effectively removing him from the case, said Attorney General spokeswoman Mariaine Croes.

As a result, the van der Sloots retained two more attorneys for the defense of their son, Richie Kock and Arjan Debie.

The court granted prosecutors' request to remove Carlo because he had visited one of two former security guards who had been detained and released in the case, authorities said.

Croes said the Dutch teenager has a team of lawyers, so Carlo's removal will not leave van der Sloot without representation. The spokeswoman is not related to Steve Croes.

Carlo did not return calls seeking comment.

The judge was brought in from neighboring Curaçao island, as is typical in high-profile cases.

Holloway disappeared the same day she was to return from a five-day trip with 124 other students celebrating their graduation from high school in Mountain Brook, Ala.

Searches by authorities, volunteer islanders and tourists have come up empty. Authorities refused to say whether they believed Holloway was dead.

On Thursday, however, Police Superintendent Jan van der Straaten told The Associated Press that authorities used a helicopter "to search for possible remains — but found nothing." He declined to say where the search was conducted.

On Wednesday, authorities searched the van der Sloots' one-story, yellow-beige home, where Joran lived in an attached apartment. Agents were seen carrying two white garbage bags filled with items from the house, while authorities towed away a blue sport utility vehicle and a red Jeep from the property in Noord, outside the capital, Oranjestad.

After the approximately four-hour search, Janssen said Paul van der Sloot was not under investigation.

The Kalpoe brothers have told police that they and Joran were with Holloway the night she disappeared and that she and the Dutch youth were kissing in the back seat of their car. The detainees initially said they took Holloway to a northern beach and then dropped her off at her Holiday Inn.

But Antonius "Mickey" John, a former hotel security guard released from custody Sunday, said to reporters that Deepak Kalpoe told him during a chat in jail that he and his brother actually dropped the young van der Sloot and Holloway off together near the Marriott, about 10 blocks north of the Holiday Inn. John said he passed the information on to police.

On Tuesday, FBI agents and officers from the Miami-Dade police department used German Shepherds to search the area, known as Malmok beach, which is a popular nighttime spot for lovers.

Deepak Kalpoe's lawyer would not comment on John's statement Wednesday, but has said his client maintained his innocence.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

[Tylergal]

So in the above statement I just posted and omitted this:  It appears there was a separation from Deepak to J&S.  Why was this.  Also note it says they were questioned shortly after she went missing but do not state the date.  I am going to believe that is the statement which Beth says was given to her, that she has in her possession, that was probably tossed since there was too much that would lead to charges against JORAN.

[oldfart]

Hey... I just say a new name  peeking in

BUMPER  

Please jump on it.. and not just

Please


OldF

[Kat_Gram]

So, I did find about 1 1/2 hours where no one knows ( or I don't know )
where Deepak and Joran were on the Monday night. From 2 -ish to 3 :30 ish.

They were in the vicinity of the Radisson at 2 - ish.
Then, they were at the Sloot compound at 3 : 30 -ish.

[oldfart]

I hate to say this in a way

But given the quality of the recent statements (if they are close to factual) it is not a wonder that this investigation is a MESS

I do hope that the senator   ummmm that met with the Aruban delegation,,, ummm B???  has seen these.. and has as MANY questions as i do.

Jmo of course

[oldfart]

Shoot

I think I scared Bumper away
 

[2NJSons_Mom]

I hate to say this in a way

But given the quality of the recent statements (if they are close to factual) it is not a wonder that this investigation is a MESS

I do hope that the senator   ummmm that met with the Aruban delegation,,, ummm B???  has seen these.. and has as MANY questions as i do.

Jmo of course

You have a way with words, OF, and it works for me.  Hope it works for Senator B & others.

[Tylergal]

I hate to say this in a way

But given the quality of the recent statements (if they are close to factual) it is not a wonder that this investigation is a MESS

I do hope that the senator   ummmm that met with the Aruban delegation,,, ummm B???  has seen these.. and has as MANY questions as i do.

Jmo of course

You have a way with words, OF, and it works for me.  Hope it works for Senator B & others.

Congressman Bachus of Vestavia, Alabama.

[oldfart]

So, I did find about 1 1/2 hours where no one knows ( or I don't know )
where Deepak and Joran were on the Monday night. From 2 -ish to 3 :30 ish.

They were in the vicinity of the Radisson at 2 - ish.
Then, they were at the Sloot compound at 3 : 30 -ish.

Kat_Gram
Sorry  I have not been following that close...
Time lines are fluid.. based upon who / which statements you use
JMO

good work though with what we have to work with [/b]

[Lala'sMom]

I am tired tonight, will see all of you later if I can't sleep.  Someone hug Nemo for me, please.  (that's a dog for all you newbies)

[Kat_Gram]

The other thing that I found and the source came from Kock... the call from Joran's cell to Deepak's cell was at 2:35. This is the call where he tells Deepak according to Deepak that he is walking home and he left the girl and his shoes at the beach.

3:15 IM, I'm home.

[oldfart]

I hate to say this in a way

But given the quality of the recent statements (if they are close to factual) it is not a wonder that this investigation is a MESS

I do hope that the senator   ummmm that met with the Aruban delegation,,, ummm B???  has seen these.. and has as MANY questions as i do.

Jmo of course

You have a way with words, OF, and it works for me.  Hope it works for Senator B & others.

Congressman Bachus of Vestavia, Alabama.

Tyler
that is the name..

I tried to do an e-mail through his web site once...
something about entering the district I was in caused problems
not sure it got through  because I never  got a resoponse

[oldfart]

I am tired tonight, will see all of you later if I can't sleep.  Someone hug Nemo for me, please.  (that's a dog for all you newbies)

G'nite Lala's  
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