Lively Case Discussion #509 8/9 - 8/10/2006

[blah]

WTF is this????


"When I got home I took a shower. After showering I had turned on my TV and airco. I had installed my Multi-Media that I was going to take to school the next day. I had also gone into the living room to look for something to drink. I had turned on my computer. I had signed in to "MSN-MESSENGER". None of the people I regularly chat with were "on-line". It is possible I sent Deepak a message to come "on-line". I say this because Deepak told me during the confrontation that I sent him a message. But I am not sure about that. I went to sleep after that. "

[Spock]

At 7:25 p on the 30th Joran was travelling toward the lighthouse over a period of 2.5 minutes, although in his declaration he had stated that he was headed in the opposite direction toward the Wyndham casino?  Please, anyone.

My "read" is that after 2.28 minutes the call was dropped by the casino tower and taken up by the lighthouse tower. A clear indication that Joran was headed away from the hotel-casino area and towards the Arashi beach-lighthouse area. It also appears (from other sources) Guido may have been driving.

[Anna]

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But we do not know if Deepak knows this and is in on it or if Joran has decided to cut him out of the loop and only work with Guido or others?  That might be necessary if he was thinking of leaving Deepak or Satish holding the bag for everything?

Trying to read reason into this. . . . .getting headache instead.

[Ono]

How I read the cell phone record is that DEEPAK calls JORAN at around 7:25pm on May 30th from the Cyberzone.  Also, that Joran said he was in the area of the Radisson/Wyndham but the cell tower near the Lighthouse was picked up.  (I think )

JACKPOT  

The question is..if Joran was up near the Lighthouse around 7:25pm on May 30th..what was he doing there?  Also, who was he with?  Was he with Satish in Deepak's car or was someone else driving him around like Guido?

Was he disposing of evidence?

Was it the time ...." he almost fell in the water and got sand on his shorts & feet " ????????

[sharon]

At 7:25 p on the 30th Joran was travelling toward the lighthouse over a period of 2.5 minutes, although in his declaration he had stated that he was headed in the opposite direction toward the Wyndham casino?  Please, anyone.

My "read" is that after 2.28 minutes the call was dropped by the casino tower and taken up by the lighthouse tower. A clear indication that Joran was headed away from the hotel-casino area and towards the Arashi beach-lighthouse area. It also appears (from other sources) Guido may have been driving.

That's interesting Spock.

I thought his alibi about playing tennis had already been busted.

And I remember Beth remarking that she had seen the Wyndham tapes and Joran was NOT on them.

So I wonder what he was doing in the vicinity of the fisherman's huts, racquet club and pond .....on his way to the Lighthouse

Who or what did they have to pick up first

[Ono]

Cell Phone Info - thanks Klaas

VDStraaten..."Looking at the resulation of the measuring, it is therefore possible that suspect Joran van der Sloot reversed possibly and nevertheless drove by the Marriott to Wyndham and cell-id's were registered."

Is VDStraaten trying to excuse Joran's lie with this statement?

YES.

[Anna]

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Klaas,
Now that makes sense, Joran and Satish getting sand in the car. . . .

Going to go think about all this a bit and see if I can focus better after that.

  It's all running together.

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[SunFreak2]

The question is..if Joran was up near the Lighthouse around 7:25pm on May 30th..what was he doing there?  Also, who was he with?  Was he with Satish in Deepak's car or was someone else driving him around like Guido?

Was he disposing of evidence?

Maybe that is where & when the sand got in Deepak's car.

[Ono]

When we do find the answers, I don't think they will be that complicated.. I keep pointing my finger at Joran..  If you look at Joran, he looks to some here like an all American kid and the Kalpoe's look seedy, low class, and even their Mother says that all people lie.. Well they were easily gotten to in the beginning with Greta over at the Kalpoe's talking to her and Deepak going to Skeeter thinking he was going on the Dr. Phil and making a lot of money.. These are not rocket scientist, they are most likely slow learners trying to be accepted by these rich Dutch kids that run the island..

I still think for the Kalpoes, it was about monies Joran paid them...not social friendship.  Joran's group would never accept the Kalpoes on a social level, and they knew it..It was a strictly business relationship in my opinion.

[sharon]

Isn't Koen's house by the Lighthouse.

If Joran was at Koen's house -- rather than the lighthouse -- would the the same cell tower pick up the call?

Anyone know?

Koens' house to get the boat -- and then onwards to where Joran gets his clothes wet and sandy?


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[klaasend]

Isn't Koen's house by the Lighthouse.

If Joran was at Koen's house -- rather than the lighthouse -- would the the same cell tower pick up the call?

Anyone know?

Koens' house to get the boat -- and then onwards to where Joran gets his clothes wet and sandy?


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[Ono]

At 7:25 p on the 30th Joran was travelling toward the lighthouse over a period of 2.5 minutes, although in his declaration he had stated that he was headed in the opposite direction toward the Wyndham casino?  Please, anyone.

My "read" is that after 2.28 minutes the call was dropped by the casino tower and taken up by the lighthouse tower. A clear indication that Joran was headed away from the hotel-casino area and towards the Arashi beach-lighthouse area. It also appears (from other sources) Guido may have been driving.

That's interesting Spock.

I thought his alibi about playing tennis had already been busted.

And I remember Beth remarking that she had seen the Wyndham tapes and Joran was NOT on them.

So I wonder what he was doing in the vicinity of the fisherman's huts, racquet club and pond .....on his way to the Lighthouse

Who or what did they have to pick up first

I thought I remembered something negative about the tennis lessons also....

[sharon]

Thanks Klaas!

I thought Koen's house was closer to the Lighthouse. I don't know enough about cell towers to know what they would show about a call from Koen's.

I'm sure we have some monkeys that will know.

I have to say...everytime I see that map, and I look at the placement of the stars...all I can think of is 'one straight line to the house of rave'.
 



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[Spock]

[quote="sharon
I thought his alibi about playing tennis had already been busted.
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Joran first claimed to have been playing tennis with Koen at the Racquet Club that afternoon but it was found to be a lie. Koen was asked to come in and explain but refused to give a statement. His father gave a statement in his place. The assistant prosecutor at the time (Flanagan) resigned because they would not question/arrest Koen directly.

[Freebird]

I thought his alibi about playing tennis had already been busted.

Joran first claimed to have been playing tennis with Koen at the Racquet Club that afternoon but it was found to be a lie. Koen was asked to come in and explain but refused to give a statement. His father gave a statement in his place. The assistant prosecutor at the time (Flanagan) resigned because they would not question/arrest Koen directly.

Anybody ever hear anything about Steve Cohen being a part of Joran's tennis alibi?  Yes, Steve Cohen, AHTA guy.

[sharon]

[quote="sharon
I thought his alibi about playing tennis had already been busted.
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Joran first claimed to have been playing tennis with Koen at the Racquet Club that afternoon but it was found to be a lie. Koen was asked to come in and explain but refused to give a statement. His father gave a statement in his place. The assistant prosecutor at the time (Flanagan) resigned because they would not question/arrest Koen directly.

That's what I remember Spock. Dave said Koen looked ready to cave -- yet they allowed his father to refuse to bring Koen in for questioning.


Now I need to go re-read the statements to see who Joran says he was playing tennis with....but I better wait until ALL the statements are in. You can never tell how many times Joran will change his story.

[sharon]

Anybody ever hear anything about Steve Cohen being a part of Joran's tennis alibi?  Yes, Steve Cohen, AHTA guy.

What do you mean Freebird?

That Joran played tennis with Steve Cohen?

Or that Steve Cohen was the source for Joran's alibi?

I do remember Steve saying that Joran had played tennis. So if not a source -- he was certainly a 'spreader' of the mis-information.


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[klaasend]

Rammsteins correction of the bottom part of our rough translation:

At the bottom of his second page van der Straten writes:

Looking at the results of the measurements, it is possible that the suspect Joran van der Sloot was indeed walking from the Marriot to the Wyndham and that this could still have resulted in reverse order picking up/registering of the cell-phone ID's.

Then Ramm adds:

In dutch it says that even though it looks like he was walking from the Wyndham towards the Marriot when first looking at the mobile-phone ID records, actual measurements have shown that Joran could have been walking (as he was saying) from the Marriot towards the Wyndham and still get the results that the ID records have shown.

In other words, Joran could have just as easily been telling the truth about walking from the Marriot to the Wyndham, the phone ID-records in this are not conclusive according to the measurements.

[sharon]

Sheeesh!

In terms of 'reading comprehension' they are both saying the same damn thing.

Bottom line....'it is possible'....'could have shown'

Which ALSO means that Joran possibly could be lieing as well.

What are the odds of Joran lieing?

Or does my statement need to be re-translated as well

THANK YOU KLAAS AND SCARED MONKEYS FOR GETTING US THE ROUGH TRANSLATIONS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

[thirdstrike]

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