Lively Case Discussion #509 8/9 - 8/10/2006

[Kat_Gram]

This is from Deepak's statement.

To your question about the day that myself, Satish and Joran went for a walk at the "Raquet Club" and who had observed this, I can say the following. Koen and Guido certainly saw us. Sander may have seen us, I am unsure about that.

To your question as to what route we walked, I can say the following. We walked around the before mentioned club.

To your question as to how long we walked, I can say the following. It lasted about 5 to 6 minutes. .

To your question as to what the topic was of the conversation, I can say the following. The conversation was about the route, the "Holiday Inn" route and whether or not we could become suspects.
So, they were walking around the club. were they looking for things they might have left behind ? Why don't those Dumb - Asp polis follow Up ?

[Lala'sMom]

From Deepak's June 13, statement:
At some given moment in time a tourist who was sitting at Joran's table got angry. The tourist thought that we were looking at the cards of other players and signaling/deciding for Joran when he should play or not. It lead to a disagreement between Joran and the tourist. The manager of the Radisson Casino came over and everything calmed down. I drank about four "whisky coke" gedronken in the Radisson Casino. I now that Joran drank more because the waiters were constantly bringing him drinks .I am not sure .what he was drinking. His drinks were of a yellow colour. I think it was “whisky soda" or 'Whisky water". [/b]

And this kid is only 17 years old!!  With this type of complicity no wonder this case is in shambles.  No one on that island has the guts to cross this kid.  Give me a break!    

[Frijole]

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Does anyone else ever get that sinking feeling that maybe all these
docs are being released because they are going to you-know-what the case?  

To be honest, (am sorry if my call is negative), realistically, after wirnessing all we here have observed, I have not held out any hope of Lady Justice presiding on Aruba at this point in Time.  Arubs is in severe distress...The truth will out, however, I feel certain.

The truth is outting, but will justice? I feel downright ill over this.

I, too, feel quite ill.  Well, one thing is sure and that is these deviants will wear a millstone around their necks forever amongst good & decent society: their names are mud...their reputations are ruined and their paths are dark and hopeless.  Joran is a sporter, alright....he is a sportsex champion devoid of morals.  Can we say: predator? No conscience.

That's how I feel Ono.  If we gain nothing else - we can only hope that every decent girl on the planet and their parents know what a total freak Joran is.  May he never have a date again!

His own words.  He buried himself.  He's too arrogant to realize it yet... but his life will NEVER be normal.

[Ono]

FROM JORAN'S STATEMENT:

When we arrived at my appartement the 4 of us went inside the appartement. Chato had a hip flask containing whiskey. Chato and Karen drank from the contents. I have to say that I am not sure any more if "Freddy ZEDAN" or "Fernando VIANA" was in the appartement with us.

They went to his apartment to film a movie that was sold around the island.  They drugged the girl.

He/they must have become so proficient at this routine they decided to become entrepreneurs....most on the island must know about this little business....Is this what Charles Croes was alluding to with his mysterious writing on that Aruban website, and then later when Natalee was kidnapped?

[igsigs]

Frijole - hope i didn't link porn.

One part appears to be the "police car" tapes.

   

Since I had already hit on the link I went ahead and checked... looks like statements printed in a magazine.  in Dutch of course.  Don't know if they are the same statements or not... perhaps  the site that posted them will translate?  Strange that they are in PRINT somewhere already.

I just never had a response to one of my posts like that

WARNING  WARNING WARNING  

I felt like Homer Simpson manning the controls at the Nuclear Plant

[2NJSons_Mom]

So, now we know Stephi's last name. I think it is a mis-spelling. Wasn't there an Albert B questioned at the same time as GVC ?
ALBERT BOEKHOUDT ?
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I just was at work and then the dentist. I am out of it.
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Alot of things, like Joran's young girlfriend ...12 years old ! !
that we heard about before seem to be true and confirmed...what's next ! !
So, Joe T was hired to rehabilitate this guy's reputation ! ! Because he is an honor student y'know ! !

I found her site and the name was spelled Boekhouwer.

[Lala'sMom]

From Deepak's June 13 statement:
After that Joran said to me: “Hey, look. If the police asks about it then we will just say we went away with the girl from Carlos & Charlies, that we did a bit of a road-trip, that he kissed and fingered her, that she fell asleep in the car, that we dropped her off at the Holiday Inn, that she had fallen down, that he had helped her up and that she walked off”. I said to Joran that it was OK, it was fine. Joran than said to me, let's go home. We then drove from the Wyndham Hotel to Joran's house.

What happened to the story around the pool?  I don't think there was a pool in that car.   And why the need to mention her falling again???  They injured her and know that at the time her body was recoverable.  I could have gotten a confession out of them at this point...oh wait!  Maybe not, I don't eat corn flakes!  

[Kat_Gram]

His own words. He buried himself. He's too arrogant to realize it yet... but his life will NEVER be normal.

Never was... he has been out of control for a long time and his parents have just enabled him turn from a spoiled tantrum throwing brat to a grown up spoiled tantrum throwing .............. can't type the word, but you can fill in your choice of curses. They made him the man ( he is now 19 ) he is today.

[Ono]

FROM JORAN'S STATEMENT:

To your question whether I had a relationship with a girl name "Rika", I answer you the following. Rika was my girlfriend but we did not have a sexual relationship with each other. We may have done some french kissing but I did not have sexual relations with her because she is twelve (12) years old. Rika's parents found out about our relationship and that is why we stopped the relationship. I do not know Rika's last name.

He does not know the last name of his 12 year old girlfriend.   He is discusting.

And I'll bet they had sex...he reminds me of Bill Clinton.  I bet her parents had a cow.  Didn't they move away?

[San]

FROM Jaime Carrasquilia Caceres Statement 6/17/05:

To your question whether Joran wanted me to keep something for him, I can state the following. Joran had not given me anything that I should keep for him.

The police are looking for something what are they looking for?

[Frijole]

Frijole - hope i didn't link porn.

One part appears to be the "police car" tapes.

   

Since I had already hit on the link I went ahead and checked... looks like statements printed in a magazine.  in Dutch of course.  Don't know if they are the same statements or not... perhaps  the site that posted them will translate?  Strange that they are in PRINT somewhere already.

I just never had a response to one of my posts like that

WARNING  WARNING WARNING  

I felt like Homer Simpson manning the controls at the Nuclear Plant

Well, I linked to it without even thinking because I trust you so much!!!  Then I saw Holland's Hard Porn Site and about crapped my pants... Who knows what the dang thing is... but it does appear to be statements.

Sorry - I didn't want anyone to get zapped by the porn police. lol

[Kat_Gram]

So, now we know Stephi's last name. I think it is a mis-spelling. Wasn't there an Albert B questioned at the same time as GVC ?
ALBERT BOEKHOUDT ?
.
I just was at work and then the dentist. I am out of it.
.
Alot of things, like Joran's young girlfriend ...12 years old ! !
that we heard about before seem to be true and confirmed...what's next ! !
So, Joe T was hired to rehabilitate this guy's reputation ! ! Because he is an honor student y'know ! !

I found her site and the name was spelled Boekhouwer.

me mistaken... do you have a link ?

[2NJSons_Mom]

FROM JORAN'S STATEMENT:

When we arrived at my appartement the 4 of us went inside the appartement. Chato had a hip flask containing whiskey. Chato and Karen drank from the contents. I have to say that I am not sure any more if "Freddy ZEDAN" or "Fernando VIANA" was in the appartement with us.

They went to his apartment to film a movie that was sold around the island.  They drugged the girl.

Yeah, who's Fernando Viana?  Where did he come from?

[cubbeegirl]

This is from Deepak's statement.

To your question about the day that myself, Satish and Joran went for a walk at the "Raquet Club" and who had observed this, I can say the following. Koen and Guido certainly saw us. Sander may have seen us, I am unsure about that.

To your question as to what route we walked, I can say the following. We walked around the before mentioned club.

To your question as to how long we walked, I can say the following. It lasted about 5 to 6 minutes. .

To your question as to what the topic was of the conversation, I can say the following. The conversation was about the route, the "Holiday Inn" route and whether or not we could become suspects.
So, they were walking around the club. were they looking for things they might have left behind ? Why don't those Dumb - Asp polis follow Up ?

And what did they wonder they would become suspected of????

[Frijole]

FROM Jaime Carrasquilia Caceres Statement 6/17/05:

To your question whether Joran wanted me to keep something for him, I can state the following. Joran had not given me anything that I should keep for him.

The police are looking for something what are they looking for?

San, did you get that here or at BFN?  I just saw more statements from joran there plus Jaime's... Man, it's hard to keep up.  Feast or famine.

[Ono]

Joran the "golden boy" in Anita's eyes. The boy who spends his days not working, playing in casinos all the time with money taken from his parents, and probably cheating at cards with his dealer friends and pals coming to watch the game in progress, has a built up tolerance for booze, bullies his younger brother, can't manage his anger, and has no respect for authority figures or women...oh what a gem of a son you have Anita and Paulus.

They all sicken me.

[San]

His own words. He buried himself. He's too arrogant to realize it yet... but his life will NEVER be normal.

Never was... he has been out of control for a long time and his parents have just enabled him turn from a spoiled tantrum throwing brat to a grown up spoiled tantrum throwing .............. can't type the word, but you can fill in your choice of curses. They made him the man ( he is now 19 ) he is today.

Well according to Paulus when he was on one of the morning shows "Joran has changed he is not the same person".  Oh really then we must have been looking at his twin the past couple of weeks.

[San]

FROM Jaime Carrasquilia Caceres Statement 6/17/05:

To your question whether Joran wanted me to keep something for him, I can state the following. Joran had not given me anything that I should keep for him.

The police are looking for something what are they looking for?

San, did you get that here or at BFN?  I just saw more statements from joran there plus Jaime's... Man, it's hard to keep up.  Feast or famine.

Yes I did Frijole.  I can't keep up.

[Ono]

.
Does anyone else ever get that sinking feeling that maybe all these
docs are being released because they are going to you-know-what the case?  

To be honest, (am sorry if my call is negative), realistically, after wirnessing all we here have observed, I have not held out any hope of Lady Justice presiding on Aruba at this point in Time.  Arubs is in severe distress...The truth will out, however, I feel certain.

The truth is outting, but will justice? I feel downright ill over this.

My opinion is that these documents are surfacing because without them being known nothing will happen.  There is so much there --- it is hard to fathom anyone ignoring them.

And frankly, if Aruba continues to be stubborn and ignore... then when these all get printed in a nice book or 2, and made into a 7 day mini series and a movie ---- well, then they can call their rock Alcatraz cuz that'll be all it's good for... Venezuela can send their prisoners to Aruba.

And their garbage...what a perfect landfill for Venezuela...all that space.

[Frijole]

His own words. He buried himself. He's too arrogant to realize it yet... but his life will NEVER be normal.

Never was... he has been out of control for a long time and his parents have just enabled him turn from a spoiled tantrum throwing brat to a grown up spoiled tantrum throwing .............. can't type the word, but you can fill in your choice of curses. They made him the man ( he is now 19 ) he is today.

Well according to Paulus when he was on one of the morning shows "Joran has changed he is not the same person".  Oh really then we must have been looking at his twin the past couple of weeks.

San, that must be what Joran meant when he said his father had a bad memory... lol  He can't remember enough to figure out that his son is lying his brains out to his own face.  So, he really doesn't know his son.