Perfect way to make joran to confess to the crime

[tennisnet2002]

Why don't they say they found the body and make joran think they actually did and then see if he says anything that might incriminate himself. That might be an easy way to make him talk.

[KackyLacky]

Why don't they say they found the body and make joran think they actually did and then see if he says anything that might incriminate himself. That might be an easy way to make him talk.

interesting wonder if they are allowed to use this method

[~TAZ_MAN~]

The best way to get an egomaniac to confess to a murder is for interrogators to imply to the killer that they believe it was the victims fault and that she must have done something to provoke the attack in the first place.  It makes the murder think that everyone is one his side and that his actions are justified.

Unfortunately in this case the killer has probably been properly coached and feels the interrogations are nothing but a game that hes willing to play to win.

[rkymtncjngrl]

I'd have to say "Let Beth and Jug and Dave and Robin" at em!!! I think they could persuade him to answer some questions. Especially if he was taken out of his surroundings.

[heavyheart]

I'm feeling a lot of anger today, so here are my thoughts...

Let him know his brother is going to disappear and will never be found.  After that, tell him his mother is going to commit suicide and that his father is going to have a heart attack.  When or if he ever gets out he'll be all alone.  Not a soul to turn to for help.  He will have no means of support or support a structure.  No one will want to be his friend or his lover.  Casinos and bars will never let him through their doors.

He will have and will be nothing.  Let him sleep on it and then give him a newspaper with headlines of a missing v.d. Sloot boy.  

I would think the threat alone would be enough to break him.  Obviously nothing is working so far.

[ajmac57]

I'd have to say "Let Beth and Jug and Dave and Robin" at em!!! I think they could persuade him to answer some questions. Especially if he was taken out of his surroundings.

What are we saying, if this was the U.S. the victim family would not be able to interrogate the suspect.

He got to confess on his own accord, you can't force it.

[Chunky Monkey]

Let's face it. Aruban Authorities, FBI and Dutch Experts are interrogating the three guys I'm positive they used all the methods in the book. Even the truth serum is allowed in Aruba....It's strange that they haven't cracked them yet....leads me to believe that there is something more to this case.

[ajmac57]

Let's face it. Aruban Authorities, FBI and Dutch Experts are interrogating the three guys I'm positive they used all the methods in the book. Even the truth serum is allowed in Aruba....It's strange that they haven't cracked them yet....leads me to believe that there is something more to this case.

Didn't Joran mother say the boy is soft, don't like to get dirty, something like that. One of the quards released said he was crying in his cell. It is interesting that he has not confessed.

[KackyLacky]

mmmmmmmm wonder if LE can lie/trick suspects in Aruba like can be done here. Note---I am not saying I think our LE having that ability is wrong---I would bet it has solved a lot more cases than we can ever imagine. Aruban LE could tell joran his dad confessed to hurting Natalee and see what he does/says then.

[KV123]

Why don't they say they found the body and make joran think they actually did and then see if he says anything that might incriminate himself. That might be an easy way to make him talk.

This might not work if, say, she was burned with the MacDonald's trash, and he knows they were lying... if he is truly sociopathic he wouldn't even flinch.

[Wolf®]

There are plenty of "methods" available to use while interrogating this youth. Methods that would have him confessing to the assassination of Abraham Lincoln if they wanted it.  However, I think it would be a damned shame for the police to use some under-handed means that would be used against them by a sleazy defense lawyer at a later time and the suspect walk.

The possibility also exists that everyone is zeroing in on the " flavor of the day"..If CNN or Fox was to leak a story that Mickey Mouse had something to do with this, somewhere, someone would want to kill the mouse and ask questions later...

Personally, I dont think enuff of the story has surfaced yet to make some of the theories that I have read here and other places a reality. You just witnessed the fact that the Police didnt reveal alot of the info on the BTK killer until he stood up in court and pled guilty himself, so I am sure that the Police havent told the Press all that there is to tell about this case either...

Throughout history, the media has ran stories that made people look guilty when they werent. I dont think the father (Paul) running from the press makes him guilty of anything other than not wanting the negative publicity..on an island that is 19 miles long by 6 miles wide, this is a major story and the media is as hungry as the sharks that surround that island and will feed on anything that looks like a story..especially one that the public will manipulate and stay tuned for more..

Who do I think is guilty?  Simple...........I dont!

I'm not privy to all of the facts and evidence in this case and quite frankly..I find it somewhat disturbing that anyone could sit around hating or declaring guilt on someone, by using 3rd and 4th hand information...

I'm sure that "whatever" happened will come to life soon enuff and some of you may be surprised at just how far off base you were in your theories....who knows?

[roxyluv]

There are plenty of "methods" available to use while interrogating this youth. Methods that would have him confessing to the assassination of Abraham Lincoln if they wanted it.  However, I think it would be a damned shame for the police to use some under-handed means that would be used against them by a sleazy defense lawyer at a later time and the suspect walk.

The possibility also exists that everyone is zeroing in on the " flavor of the day"..If CNN or Fox was to leak a story that Mickey Mouse had something to do with this, somewhere, someone would want to kill the mouse and ask questions later...

Personally, I dont think enuff of the story has surfaced yet to make some of the theories that I have read here and other places a reality. You just witnessed the fact that the Police didnt reveal alot of the info on the BTK killer until he stood up in court and pled guilty himself, so I am sure that the Police havent told the Press all that there is to tell about this case either...

Throughout history, the media has ran stories that made people look guilty when they werent. I dont think the father (Paul) running from the press makes him guilty of anything other than not wanting the negative publicity..on an island that is 19 miles long by 6 miles wide, this is a major story and the media is as hungry as the sharks that surround that island and will feed on anything that looks like a story..especially one that the public will manipulate and stay tuned for more..

Who do I think is guilty?  Simple...........I dont!

I'm not privy to all of the facts and evidence in this case and quite frankly..I find it somewhat disturbing that anyone could sit around hating or declaring guilt on someone, by using 3rd and 4th hand information...

I'm sure that "whatever" happened will come to life soon enuff and some of you may be surprised at just how far off base you were in your theories....who knows?

Wow, finally someone who is making sense!!

[KackyLacky]

There are plenty of "methods" available to use while interrogating this youth. Methods that would have him confessing to the assassination of Abraham Lincoln if they wanted it.  However, I think it would be a damned shame for the police to use some under-handed means that would be used against them by a sleazy defense lawyer at a later time and the suspect walk.

The possibility also exists that everyone is zeroing in on the " flavor of the day"..If CNN or Fox was to leak a story that Mickey Mouse had something to do with this, somewhere, someone would want to kill the mouse and ask questions later...

Personally, I dont think enuff of the story has surfaced yet to make some of the theories that I have read here and other places a reality. You just witnessed the fact that the Police didnt reveal alot of the info on the BTK killer until he stood up in court and pled guilty himself, so I am sure that the Police havent told the Press all that there is to tell about this case either...

Throughout history, the media has ran stories that made people look guilty when they werent. I dont think the father (Paul) running from the press makes him guilty of anything other than not wanting the negative publicity..on an island that is 19 miles long by 6 miles wide, this is a major story and the media is as hungry as the sharks that surround that island and will feed on anything that looks like a story..especially one that the public will manipulate and stay tuned for more..

Who do I think is guilty?  Simple...........I dont!

I'm not privy to all of the facts and evidence in this case and quite frankly..I find it somewhat disturbing that anyone could sit around hating or declaring guilt on someone, by using 3rd and 4th hand information...

I'm sure that "whatever" happened will come to life soon enuff and some of you may be surprised at just how far off base you were in your theories....who knows?

wolf, your post makes a lot of sense. I certainly would not want any underhanded or illegal tactics used either. But I also wouldn't think talking to a prime suspect as if he was a 3 yr old works either. Just because these boys have been detained, does not automatically make them guilty in my book. There would have to be a lot, and I mean alot of other questions answered and evidence shown.

My main basis for thinking joran should be a suspect at this time is that he and the bros kalpoe were the last known and witnessed people seen with Natalee. Then one has to add the lies told by the 3. I am only talking about the lies we know about.

Are they being railroaded, possibly. If that is happening, the Aruban prosecutor is certainly doing a serious disservice to her own citizens, much less to an American. By tying up time and resources on these 3-5 people, the "real" suspect is getting away with God knows what.

No matter what, there was no need for the lie told to the parents. Even if the boys were scared that first night, and told the lie, they could have done what millions of other teenagers have done and come clean with the ONE lie. Instead, these 3 implicated 2 innocent men. Why would they do this? Just to cover their asses because they were out late. That defies common sense.

You are right, one day the truth will come out, one way or the other, either in the next 5 minutes or in 20 yrs. It will come out.

As far as believing whatever TV says about this case, what else is there to go on right now? Nothing, because there is no transparency in the Aruban system, and that is their choice.

[Wolf®]

I would think that when a 17 yr. old hangs out in casinos and drinks..there aint much fear of him being treated like a 3 yr. old by anyone..especially the police..

I respect your's or anyone else's right to "suspect" these individuals and any other's that come to life in the days that follow..my main hang-up is when any suspect is widely viewed as guilty due to the fact that they run from the Press..or " just look guilty"..or drink at the age of 17..or even worse..have had their picture taken with numerous girls...

One of the main problems with this particular case is that it is in a country where the American Authorities have absolutely no power..yet it is being displayed daily on American TV..where the rules of engagement are completely different..resulting in undesirable comments against the Aruban Authorities and the Aruban people as a whole..which is as unfair as it is unfortunate...

As for the lies of a 17 yr. old...American 17 yr. olds can and will lie just as bad if not worse...they will change their stories and lie for friends..but it doesnt make them guilty of murder..you will likely get to see these 3 go home soon..which will cause a flood of emotions and more vicious bad mouthing of the Aruban Authorities and it's people will surface..further clogging up the information channels and steering away from what is most important..finding Natalee

You're right..there is nothing else to do but watch it on TV..I suggest taking their reports with a grain of salt tho...

Why? ..When the 3 lil boys went missing in New Jersey and you saw all of the news reports..how many people posting on here guessed correctly that they would end up being in a car trunk..that close to where they went missing?

My guess would be...None!

[Gingerkitty]

There are plenty of "methods" available to use while interrogating this youth. Methods that would have him confessing to the assassination of Abraham Lincoln if they wanted it.  However, I think it would be a damned shame for the police to use some under-handed means that would be used against them by a sleazy defense lawyer at a later time and the suspect walk.

The possibility also exists that everyone is zeroing in on the " flavor of the day"..If CNN or Fox was to leak a story that Mickey Mouse had something to do with this, somewhere, someone would want to kill the mouse and ask questions later...

Personally, I dont think enuff of the story has surfaced yet to make some of the theories that I have read here and other places a reality. You just witnessed the fact that the Police didnt reveal alot of the info on the BTK killer until he stood up in court and pled guilty himself, so I am sure that the Police havent told the Press all that there is to tell about this case either...

Throughout history, the media has ran stories that made people look guilty when they werent. I dont think the father (Paul) running from the press makes him guilty of anything other than not wanting the negative publicity..on an island that is 19 miles long by 6 miles wide, this is a major story and the media is as hungry as the sharks that surround that island and will feed on anything that looks like a story..especially one that the public will manipulate and stay tuned for more..

Who do I think is guilty?  Simple...........I dont!

I'm not privy to all of the facts and evidence in this case and quite frankly..I find it somewhat disturbing that anyone could sit around hating or declaring guilt on someone, by using 3rd and 4th hand information...

I'm sure that "whatever" happened will come to life soon enuff and some of you may be surprised at just how far off base you were in your theories....who knows?

THANK YOU! It's one thing for Natalee's distraught and emotional family to have their suspicions, but, it's quite another for the media to broadcast the amount of propaganda against  people who are suspects, not defendents, and nowhere near convicted for a crime.

There's not even proof of a murder yet. What if Natalee is alive somewhere, taken by a totally different person, with nothing to do with the van der Sloots?

But, I'm sure the van der Sloots have bullseyes on their back, because even if they get off the hook, some vigilante will see them as desirable targets, since the public has already tried, and convicted them by Greta and her cohorts at FOX news. It's a disgrace.

[thirdstrike]

There are plenty of "methods" available to use while interrogating this youth. Methods that would have him confessing to the assassination of Abraham Lincoln if they wanted it.  However, I think it would be a damned shame for the police to use some under-handed means that would be used against them by a sleazy defense lawyer at a later time and the suspect walk.

The possibility also exists that everyone is zeroing in on the " flavor of the day"..If CNN or Fox was to leak a story that Mickey Mouse had something to do with this, somewhere, someone would want to kill the mouse and ask questions later...

Personally, I dont think enuff of the story has surfaced yet to make some of the theories that I have read here and other places a reality. You just witnessed the fact that the Police didnt reveal alot of the info on the BTK killer until he stood up in court and pled guilty himself, so I am sure that the Police havent told the Press all that there is to tell about this case either...

Throughout history, the media has ran stories that made people look guilty when they werent. I dont think the father (Paul) running from the press makes him guilty of anything other than not wanting the negative publicity..on an island that is 19 miles long by 6 miles wide, this is a major story and the media is as hungry as the sharks that surround that island and will feed on anything that looks like a story..especially one that the public will manipulate and stay tuned for more..

Who do I think is guilty?  Simple...........I dont!

I'm not privy to all of the facts and evidence in this case and quite frankly..I find it somewhat disturbing that anyone could sit around hating or declaring guilt on someone, by using 3rd and 4th hand information...

I'm sure that "whatever" happened will come to life soon enuff and some of you may be surprised at just how far off base you were in your theories....who knows?

THANK YOU! It's one thing for Natalee's distraught and emotional family to have their suspicions, but, it's quite another for the media to broadcast the amount of propaganda against  people who are suspects, not defendents, and nowhere near convicted for a crime.

There's not even proof of a murder yet. What if Natalee is alive somewhere, taken by a totally different person, with nothing to do with the van der Sloots?

But, I'm sure the van der Sloots have bullseyes on their back, because even if they get off the hook, some vigilante will see them as desirable targets, since the public has already tried, and convicted them by Greta and her cohorts at FOX news. It's a disgrace.

Then, why would they lie??  Better yet, why would they lie and implicate a few innocent people?  It's not like a lie to expain why you were out past your curfew...or a lie to explain why you crashed the family car.  This is a lie about a missing person, compounded by another lie from other parties trying to cover up for the first one, on top of final lie from someone completely voluntary to cover for a "friend".

I agree with many followers of this story in that the most damning evidence that would lead one to believe the suspects in custody are responsible is the initial lying and the attempted implication of innocent (and, coincidentally of lower economic class) persons.

Just my 2 cents,

Strike

[KV123]

attempted implication of innocent (and, coincidentally of lower economic class) persons

Did they point the finger at those two by name, or simply "A" security guard?  Not even TWO guards... why did they both get picked up?

[Wolf®]

It's not my belief that they lied about "anyone" specific..it was a general description of a security guard...as KV just stated..they didnt point out particular people...

Why would they lie? Hell, why does anyone lie?

 You mentioned..."innocent" people referring to the security guards that were arrested and later released..let's really stir things up here now...what makes you think they are innocent? Is it because 1. They said they didnt do anything..2. Because the Police released them...

Then why arent Steve Croes and Paul Van Der Sloop just as innocent in everyone's eyes? They said they didnt do it..and were released too..

I havent seen nor heard of enuff evidence yet to declare anyone guilty of a crime..that isnt certain as of this moment...to have even happened..

You may want to prepare yourself for the hard cold reality..yet to come..

[skitz]

KV- You brought up something I have been wondering about. How did the authorities decide to pick up these particular security guards? Especially, since at least one of them had an alibi to say they were not even at the HI at that time. I have never heard an answer to that question. I also never heard that the boys named these guards. If it was just a general statement that they saw a security guard helping her, what made the police focus on these two specifically? I dont get it.

[thirdstrike]

If it was just a general statement that they saw a security guard helping her, what made the police focus on these two specifically

Well, according to Mickey John on Greta this evening, when he was arrested and taken from his home, the info he received was that the (3)boys said the "missing girl" stumbled out of the car, and a BLACK security guard in a black shirt & black pants helped her inside.  Was it just a coincidence that the (2) former security guards for that particular hotel were black?  Interesting question to say the least...