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« Reply #260 on: June 28, 2005, 02:57:20 PM »

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twitty put VDS's on the defense, IMMEDIATELY, with his attitude upon arrival to aruba. island people are extremely  polite & observe the "good mornings", "how are yous", regardless.


I'm very sorry your son is missing. Your website doesn't seem to have any details of what happened. So you must understand how frantic a parent is when their child is missing. And you must know how crucial those early hours can be right after the disappearance.

Apparently, the ARUBANS are polite, but some of the DUTCH don't appear to be since Paul and Joran van der Sloot were pretty rude to the Twittys.

And if the family was so polite, they wouldn't have lied to frantic parents who were desperately searching for their missing daughter. They wouldn't have deliberately led those frantic parents to a place they said they dropped off their daughter, knowing they were lying the entire time.

If you want polite, go to Mountain Brook or most of the south. THOSE people are nice. They are raised from an early age to be nothing BUT polite.


Isn't that a bit of a generalization?
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« Reply #261 on: June 28, 2005, 02:57:21 PM »

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Who is MR Pink, and why does the link to his yukky sites keep coming up in posts, did I miss something other than the Aruban Prostitute thing? I was just wondering what the link to Natalee was.....

Someone had speculated that he may actually be the elusive Lorenzo.  We'll have to ask Arubagirl if she shows up today.


OK Thanks...


BTW where is CaliGirl  Question

CaliGril was going in for some kind of surgery...I'm sure she'll be back soon.
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« Reply #262 on: June 28, 2005, 02:57:42 PM »

As I was researching some more on Scary Freddy's tickle site(sorry he just looks as though he is always drunk off his a$$ or high on something)  I am very scared of him....I noticed middle son VDS left a message for Freddy.  His pic is not available (which a week ago it was-after looking up those tickle sites) but is he not concerned with his brother:

Valentijn Van der sloot (Male, 19)
Visited today



http://connect.tickle.com/profile/index.html?id=u1MlSPrWnwuBAQJQ

Then he has a friend (on the right) named Orgasm.

Plus saw these under messages:

oh oh valentijn... man this guy is craaaaazzzzzzy He's an awsome guy tho good times at the Marriott keep it real!

That is strange.
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« Reply #263 on: June 28, 2005, 02:58:17 PM »

why do i get the feeling about aruba that as we turn on more lights, we see more roaches scatter?????


each day the trail goes colder, but the circus of the ridiculous gets bigger.
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« Reply #264 on: June 28, 2005, 02:58:17 PM »

For a totally different perspective:

This is from websleuths. If you look at the responses, MOST people think it has wings:
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25443

They believe it explains the TWITTY-HOLLOWAY behavior.
It is also posted on Dan Riehl's site.
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« Reply #265 on: June 28, 2005, 02:59:28 PM »

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I feel like they just possibly threw her in the trunk of the car,or in PVDS's car when he picked Joran up that night..and waited to dispose of her when there was time to think of justthe right way, time, etc to do so...I am firm in my beleifs that Papa VDS is the one who masterminded the disposal...just my thoughts... :D


Deepak's car had a trunk, but the two cars they towed from the v.d. Sloots didn't. One was an SUV and the other was a jeep -- neither of which have trunks. Of course, they could have thrown a sheet over her.
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« Reply #266 on: June 28, 2005, 03:01:18 PM »

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twitty put VDS's on the defense, IMMEDIATELY, with his attitude upon arrival to aruba. island people are extremely  polite & observe the "good mornings", "how are yous", regardless.


I'm very sorry your son is missing. Your website doesn't seem to have any details of what happened. So you must understand how frantic a parent is when their child is missing. And you must know how crucial those early hours can be right after the disappearance.

Apparently, the ARUBANS are polite, but some of the DUTCH don't appear to be since Paul and Joran van der Sloot were pretty rude to the Twittys.

And if the family was so polite, they wouldn't have lied to frantic parents who were desperately searching for their missing daughter. They wouldn't have deliberately led those frantic parents to a place they said they dropped off their daughter, knowing they were lying the entire time.

If you want polite, go to Mountain Brook or most of the south. THOSE people are nice. They are raised from an early age to be nothing BUT polite.


You are so right! LOL, I was raised that if I had something bad to say about someone , wait until they're gone.....J/K  Razz  No, in all seriousness I was raised w/ more manners than Emily Post. That's how you know a true southernor, by their manners. I'm married to a Northerner who thinks I am TOO polite and nice. LMAO

And was it not the Dutch press throwing rocks at the divers & searchers?  Mad
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« Reply #267 on: June 28, 2005, 03:01:33 PM »

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As I was researching some more on Scary Freddy's tickle site(sorry he just looks as though he is always drunk off his a$$ or high on something)  I am very scared of him....I noticed middle son VDS left a message for Freddy.  His pic is not available (which a week ago it was-after looking up those tickle sites) but is he not concerned with his brother:

Valentijn Van der sloot (Male, 19)
Visited today


http://connect.tickle.com/profile/index.html?id=u1MlSPrWnwuBAQJQ

Then he has a friend (on the right) named Orgasm.
Plus saw these under messages:
oh oh valentijn... man this guy is craaaaazzzzzzy He's an awsome guy tho good times at the Marriott keep it real!
That is strange.


Valentijn must have lied on this site. He's not 19. He's about 14 or 15.
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« Reply #268 on: June 28, 2005, 03:05:35 PM »

Per Fox.. Sources say SC is part of the cover up.. I bet he is NOT off the hook yet..and also repeated about Kalpoe brothers being knee deep again because by now they would have said something..ughhh
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« Reply #269 on: June 28, 2005, 03:05:49 PM »

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Who is MR Pink, and why does the link to his yukky sites keep coming up in posts, did I miss something other than the Aruban Prostitute thing? I was just wondering what the link to Natalee was.....

Someone had speculated that he may actually be the elusive Lorenzo.  We'll have to ask Arubagirl if she shows up today.


OK Thanks...


BTW where is CaliGirl  Question


I thought Mr. Pink was supposed to be Paul Brough. I heard that name thrown around a few weeks ago, in conjunction with Lorenzo Van Rijn. I'm not sure if they're connected, but I know I learned both names around the same time.


The sites came up during speculation early this mgn that perhaps indeed Joran had indeed done nothing to  harm Natalee ..but had taken her to one of these after-hour, underground "Rave" parties and somehow lost control of the "situation" to the "locals"..drug dealers/porno's, of whoever/where-ever this house was. And "they" were/are perhaps the ones ones responsible for "something bad" happening..and now he (Joran) is in fear of his own life due to reprisals if he reveals details.

Thats what was being kicked around this mgn
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« Reply #270 on: June 28, 2005, 03:06:15 PM »

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I seriously doubt anymore highschool sponsored senior trips will take place in Aruba anytime in the near future.


I would be vehemently against my 18 yo(soon to be 19) niece going to Aruba (or any Caribbean island or MX) on a class trip .......she is an honors student, in her first year of college on a full academic scholarship...smart as a whip...but has no street sense at all.  We took her to Jamaica last year...to an AI, 5 star hotel.......she asked to go to a local bar with some of the waiters/waitresses at 1AM...well DUH....NO WAY!  Sure they worked at the hotel, seemed like nice kids......but no!!!  After thinking about it for a while she admited it was a real 'stupid' idea.  Sometimes kids...and yes in my opinion 18yo's are still kids....just don't stop and think of what CAN happen....
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« Reply #271 on: June 28, 2005, 03:07:18 PM »

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twitty put VDS's on the defense, IMMEDIATELY, with his attitude upon arrival to aruba. island people are extremely  polite & observe the "good mornings", "how are yous", regardless.


I'm very sorry your son is missing. Your website doesn't seem to have any details of what happened. So you must understand how frantic a parent is when their child is missing. And you must know how crucial those early hours can be right after the disappearance.

Apparently, the ARUBANS are polite, but some of the DUTCH don't appear to be since Paul and Joran van der Sloot were pretty rude to the Twittys.

And if the family was so polite, they wouldn't have lied to frantic parents who were desperately searching for their missing daughter. They wouldn't have deliberately led those frantic parents to a place they said they dropped off their daughter, knowing they were lying the entire time.

If you want polite, go to Mountain Brook or most of the south. THOSE people are nice. They are raised from an early age to be nothing BUT polite.


the story is explained on my site, it just takes more than a minute to get it, as it is quite an involved scenario.

i was not talking just about arubans, dutch, etc., but rather all islands (& i have been to ALOT of them). guess ya have to experience it to understand Wink you don't go there & treat the people who live there, ANY of them, like less-thans, or approach people pointing fingers, threatening, & accusing along with your "good ol boys". island people wiill NOT try to help, then. IMHO & FWIW
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« Reply #272 on: June 28, 2005, 03:08:02 PM »

Quote from: "Just Wondering"
For a totally different perspective:

This is from websleuths. If you look at the responses, MOST people think it has wings:
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25443

They believe it explains the TWITTY-HOLLOWAY behavior.
It is also posted on Dan Riehl's site.


I've seen that. I think it might explain some of the things we're hearing (or not hearing) from the Twittys and from Mountain Brook, but doesn't explain anything directly related to the investigation.

Why would Beth H-T, just because she thought sex was involved somehow, jump to the conclusion that Natalee was being held by the Van der Sloots? Either she knows something concrete that we don't know, or she's going off of "a mother's intuition." But this really has nothing to do with speculation about Natalee's behavior, and doesn't explain some of the things that poster believes it does.
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« Reply #273 on: June 28, 2005, 03:08:16 PM »

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I have a question..everyone keeps wondering about the time line..would Joran have enough time to dispose of a body, even with help, in the few hours that are alotted...Are we sure that, assuming Natalee is dead, that the body wasnt "stored" until the next day, and then disposed of later? That would allow enough time to pass to locate a spot, etc..or, maybe papa VDS exposed of it when Joran was at school the next day... Just wondering...


Entirely possible. Or even the day following the arrival of Beth Twitty.



well, IMHO, I do not beleive she was disposed of that night, if in fact she is dead..i think it was at a later time..and i wouldnt doubt it at all if she wasnt hidden in Joran's apartment when the twitty's were over there in the wee hours of May 31st...It is my speculation, that she was probably strangled, and i do hope that  when and if an autopsy is done, that they pay close attention to the hyoid bone in case decomposition has destroyed any ligature marks or hand prints...I feel like they just possibly threw her in the trunk of the car,or in PVDS's car when he picked Joran up that night..and waited to dispose of her when there was time to think of justthe right way, time, etc to do so...I am firm in my beleifs that Papa VDS is the one who masterminded the disposal...just my thoughts... Very Happy

Hey Nikki! I would tend to agree with "most" of that scenario. However first it would be nice to know "when" (day/time) the Aruban LE began monitoring the 3 boys (if they did at all). I mean at the time this happened, and the 3 boys pointed to the security guards...was the focus of the investigation turned entirely to the 2 guards and away from the 3 boys? Or did LE continue to also focus on the boys? Again...I am using an sssumption of any monitoring/tracking on the part of Arban LE, which like most parts in this mystery, we have a lot of opinions but few FACTS.
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« Reply #274 on: June 28, 2005, 03:08:22 PM »

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If we know that Natalee was in Deepak's car, and if, after his thorough cleaning and vacuuming, no trace evidence of Natalee is found, then we know that a similar cleaning could have gotten rid of all trace evidence in PVDS's car. Just a thought.


Also, remember last night arubagirl told us the Kalpoes' neighbor saw Deepak & Satish washing Deepak's car around 2 or 3 am that Monday morning Natalee disappeared.
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« Reply #275 on: June 28, 2005, 03:08:22 PM »

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As I was researching some more on Scary Freddy's tickle site(sorry he just looks as though he is always drunk off his a$$ or high on something)  I am very scared of him....I noticed middle son VDS left a message for Freddy.  His pic is not available (which a week ago it was-after looking up those tickle sites) but is he not concerned with his brother:

Valentijn Van der sloot (Male, 19)
Visited today



http://connect.tickle.com/profile/index.html?id=u1MlSPrWnwuBAQJQ

Then he has a friend (on the right) named Orgasm.

Plus saw these under messages:

oh oh valentijn... man this guy is craaaaazzzzzzy He's an awsome guy tho good times at the Marriott keep it real!

That is strange.



Yes, I was just looking at the brothers site a half hour ago.  He lists his age as 19, yet is referred to as a freshman.  Certainly not in college.   Laughing

This is another who seems to go to the casinos and doesn't get his ID checked.  Just my impression that "checking ID's" is something proprietors mention when the press asks.  They have no idea how to tell a fake from a real one.  Come now.   That is hard to believe.
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« Reply #276 on: June 28, 2005, 03:11:10 PM »

I siad this yesterday..if they havent already, i think they should go over that car, the house, Jorans apartment, etc.with Luminol..no cleaning in the world can hide from Luminol and a black light... Very Happy[/quote]


EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOTHING WOULD TAKE IT OUT....IT WOULD DETECT IT[/quote]

And do we know that that was not done? And what if there is no blood?  Does that mean they didn't harm her?
But no trace evidence in Deepak's car is, I think telling......too clean
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« Reply #277 on: June 28, 2005, 03:12:07 PM »

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Per Fox.. Sources say SC is part of the cover up.. I bet he is NOT off the hook yet..and also repeated about Kalpoe brothers being knee deep again because by now they would have said something..ughhh


Hey Angie...it was funny in that report a minute ago how the reporter said that SC's story (when jailed) matched up with the Kalpoe's story...but that the Kalpoe's then CHANGED their story. I am thinking they forgot to send SC the memo on that!! LOL
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« Reply #278 on: June 28, 2005, 03:12:08 PM »

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twitty put VDS's on the defense, IMMEDIATELY, with his attitude upon arrival to aruba. island people are extremely  polite & observe the "good mornings", "how are yous", regardless.


I'm very sorry your son is missing. Your website doesn't seem to have any details of what happened. So you must understand how frantic a parent is when their child is missing. And you must know how crucial those early hours can be right after the disappearance.

Apparently, the ARUBANS are polite, but some of the DUTCH don't appear to be since Paul and Joran van der Sloot were pretty rude to the Twittys.

And if the family was so polite, they wouldn't have lied to frantic parents who were desperately searching for their missing daughter. They wouldn't have deliberately led those frantic parents to a place they said they dropped off their daughter, knowing they were lying the entire time.

If you want polite, go to Mountain Brook or most of the south. THOSE people are nice. They are raised from an early age to be nothing BUT polite.


the story is explained on my site, it just takes more than a minute to get it, as it is quite an involved scenario.

i was not talking just about arubans, dutch, etc., but rather all islands (& i have been to ALOT of them). guess ya have to experience it to understand Wink you don't go there & treat the people who live there, ANY of them, like less-thans, or approach people pointing fingers, threatening, & accusing along with your "good ol boys". island people wiill NOT try to help, then. IMHO & FWIW


Very well said Karen and I would like to add you and your son in my prayers tonight. I have added your site to my favorites .
BTW your son is very handsome again my prayers are with you.
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« Reply #279 on: June 28, 2005, 03:12:13 PM »

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i was not talking just about arubans, dutch, etc., but rather all islands (& i have been to ALOT of them). guess ya have to experience it to understand ;) you don't go there & treat the people who live there, ANY of them, like less-thans, or approach people pointing fingers, threatening, & accusing along with your "good ol boys". island people wiill NOT try to help, then. IMHO & FWIW


Then that is extremely sad that people would not help frantic parents looking for their daughter because they didn't approach them in the "island" manner. If that's the case, then they are truly cold and heartless for not understand how upsetting it is to have a child disappear.

And you of all people should certainly understand that.
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