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« Reply #320 on: June 28, 2005, 03:38:09 PM »

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The sites came up during speculation early this mgn that perhaps indeed Joran had indeed done nothing to  harm Natalee ..but had taken her to one of these after-hour, underground "Rave" parties and somehow lost control of the "situation" to the "locals"..drug dealers/porno's, of whoever/where-ever this house was. And "they" were/are perhaps the ones ones responsible for "something bad" happening..and now he (Joran) is in fear of his own life due to reprisals if he reveals details.

Thats what was being kicked around this mgn


Considering Joran was supposed to be leaving very soon for college in Florida, it doesn't seem all that plausible that he would be fearing reprisal.

If Joran, Paulus, Deepak, Satish or Steve aren't talking out of fear, the FBI would instantly guarantee the van der Sloots, Kalpoes and Croes safe new lives in America in the Witness Protection Program.


Not saying that I bought into it, but it was what was being discussed. And as far as Joran going to the states in a few months - so what? You never had anybody threaten your family, your mother, your brother, because of something you had done/been involved in. And I wasnt aware that the Witness protection program was "open" to foreign nationals. Put that all in the light that - they dont seem to trust us (U.S.)a whole h*ll of a lot..
...again, not saying I buy it, but it certainly has a "degree" of plausibilty..
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« Reply #321 on: June 28, 2005, 03:38:36 PM »

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Oh, I see--a sort of homegrown conspiracy, instead of an island-politics conspiracy. If I were going to go with a conspiracy theory I'd choose the Lorenzo/drug world/underground parties one--there are a lot of elements that don't add up to me; I vascillate between that and an accidental death related to a date rape drug overdose. Of course, I prefer the first scenario because that leaves hope that Natalee is alive and able to be rescued. Believing Natalee's family and friends had anything to do with her disappearance is a bit far-fetched for me. I'd like to read what other monkeys come up with, though!


It really doesn't have anything to do with the family except if there is an amsouth/family connection. The money launders seemed to have lost 10million in the deal, and Amsouth Investment Corp has dealing in Aruba and the Carribean.
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« Reply #322 on: June 28, 2005, 03:38:38 PM »

Don't know if you've already seen this or not:
Found some info on Max Arends linked with Valentijns site

http://connect.tickle.com/profile/index.html?id=1CbMdSgjBODzZjGj
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« Reply #323 on: June 28, 2005, 03:39:12 PM »

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Hi Guys ,

I want to clarify something , being a godfather in the netherlands does not nesessary mean that it has to be related to religious matters. For example my uncle is my godfather, it is a honorary apointment. My parents appointed my uncle godfather in case something would happen to them then he would be my legal custodian.

Thanks for the clarification.  At what age is this appointment usually done??
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« Reply #324 on: June 28, 2005, 03:41:48 PM »

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Quote from: "Just Wondering"
For a totally different perspective:
This is from websleuths. If you look at the responses, MOST people think it has wings:
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25443


Whether there is an iota of truth involved here or not, I do not know.

However, I do know how protective my parents were (I'm 55 now, so that's been a while).  I can all to readily envision them trying to put a good face on things if I had landed myself in a "scandalous" spot.  Southern girls of a certain class are very protected still.


That's very true. I believe there's a limit to how far parents will go to protect their child's and family's reputation, but up to a certain point southern families care what things look like and how a scandal is perceived. Some of what the Twittys were doing may have been quality control--I can see them trying to protect the family's reputation at the beginning of this scenario, before they really knew what was going on.

At this point I think it goes without saying that they want their daugther back at any cost, regardless of what she was up to on the night she disappeared. (Please don't take that statement to mean that I'm blaming Natalee for anything that happened to her; sometimes I think if anyone posts that Natalee might have been drinking or otherwise engaged in questionable activities, people think the poster is blaming her for what happened. I'm just making the point that her parents and friends want her back no matter what, and reputations are mattering less as every day goes by).
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« Reply #325 on: June 28, 2005, 03:45:17 PM »

Hey Kerin et al...have not had time to get up to date and am going to work soon.  Here is what I can add.

I just got off phone with Mickey John.
Greta was at his house today and he may be on tonight.
I asked him if deepak told him/said "I never shoulda lef her w/Joran"
HE SAID NO _ NEVER.
Deepak did say to him that he and Saish dropped NH and Joran off at the Marriot afer he lighthouse.  Then Deepak said he and Satish went home.
The whole thing he said about Holiday Inn was a lie that the VDS "family"
made up and asked Deepak and Satish to agree to.  As far as what Deepak meant by the VDS "family" he doesn't know if it includes "Tom Dick or Harry" to quote Mickey John.  Also Mickey did believe that Deepak was telling truth.  Deepak was sorry to have supported the family lie as it landed him in jail.

I may miss show..KERIN if u see it let me know? Thanx
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« Reply #326 on: June 28, 2005, 03:46:18 PM »

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Hi Guys, I want to clarify something , being a godfather in the netherlands does not nesessary mean that it has to be related to religious matters. For example my uncle is my godfather, it is a honorary apointment. My parents appointed my uncle godfather in case something would happen to them then he would be my legal custodian.
Thanks for the clarification.  At what age is this appointment usually done??

And another clarification: in some european countries exists "de facto" two godfathers.
One is that related with the religious matters.
The other is the "civil" godfather appointed as witness of the birth in the "civil" registry. Wink
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« Reply #327 on: June 28, 2005, 03:46:42 PM »

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I also read that in the dutch msn that the dutch Marines stationed in Aruba are going to assist in the search. I think that is the contribution which is added by the Netherlands. Mind you that their job is is defending Aruba and the war against drugs.


You're kidding, right?  If there's 200+ men there, in prime physical and mental condition, why is Aruba well known as a drug point??

They must have other duties which have priority.
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« Reply #328 on: June 28, 2005, 03:47:35 PM »

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I seriously doubt anymore highschool sponsored senior trips will take place in Aruba anytime in the near future.


I would be vehemently against my 18 yo(soon to be 19) niece going to Aruba (or any Caribbean island or MX) on a class trip .......she is an honors student, in her first year of college on a full academic scholarship...smart as a whip...but has no street sense at all.  We took her to Jamaica last year...to an AI, 5 star hotel.......she asked to go to a local bar with some of the waiters/waitresses at 1AM...well DUH....NO WAY!  Sure they worked at the hotel, seemed like nice kids......but no!!!  After thinking about it for a while she admited it was a real 'stupid' idea.  Sometimes kids...and yes in my opinion 18yo's are still kids....just don't stop and think of what CAN happen....



hey my sister and I were in Bermuda and we got along famously with the bar staff, especially one particular woman and she said I should take you out to where I go partying, [we were mostly hitting the tourist bars] and we were in our early 30's at that time and we said yeah cool let's go but she was the one who said, actually I'm just kidding, I think if I walked in with  two blonde blue eyed white women, it would be too dangerous for you, and we said aahh, and she said, yeah, sorry girls......now having gone to a particular bar in Barbados a few years ago, I understand what she was saying, I felt "molested", to the point I'm not sure I want to go back there.....actually come to think of it, we were in an after hours bar in Bermuda and that was freaky too, that and a British naval ship docked one night, but those guys were hilarious (Caribbean men must think all North American women are sluts or bumping and grinding strangers is a standard pick up technique,

 or in fact maybe it is a world wide perception that all North American women are easy, where would that come from??? sic

 I do remember when I went on a school trip to Italy, we first went to Sorrento which is a small resort town on the coast south of Rome, it's the jump off point to go to Capri, and after 6 pm, all the Italian girls were locked up in their houses and there were crowds of Italian men hanging out side our hotel, it was terrifying, and they were all saying do you want to go to bed with me, I was 15, I thought what a bunch of creeps but since their women are all locked up, I guess tourist babes were the only shot they had, oh and I speak too much, we all went to this disco where they had a nice presentation for our school etc and after words, they let in these guys, well I was 15, a naive 15, I'm dancing with this guy I just met and he is sticking his tongue in my ear and I'm like ew and I'm thinking oh I'm such a goody two shoes, because as soon as the song ended I ran to our table and away from this guy but I found every single other girl at my table had similar experiences and was equally disgusted, this was in 1976, oh lord, it is funny now but horrifying then, and in Rome we did "lose" one of our roomates only to have her stumble in just as we were about to confess to one of the teachers, she had met some Italian guy, but I digress.......
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« Reply #329 on: June 28, 2005, 03:51:20 PM »

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This is an extremely private situation and it is very difficult to talk about/speculate/wonder for all those involved.  Even if those kids knew everything that happened, the public is in no way entitled to that information.  Everything that the kids ...  know has been relayed to the authorities...whether the police or the kids decide to divulge any information is not up to the public or media.


Just an experiment, readers:
Without checking back to see which kids the poster references, how do you feel about this post?

If it's Joran & co., are you furious?
If it's the Americans... how do you feel?

Not making a judgment call.  Just curious.
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« Reply #330 on: June 28, 2005, 03:53:13 PM »

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Hey Kerin et al...have not had time to get up to date and am going to work soon.  Here is what I can add.

I just got off phone with Mickey John.
Greta was at his house today and he may be on tonight.
I asked him if deepak told him/said "I never shoulda lef her w/Joran"
HE SAID NO _ NEVER.
Deepak did say to him that he and Saish dropped NH and Joran off at the Marriot afer he lighthouse.  Then Deepak said he and Satish went home.
The whole thing he said about Holiday Inn was a lie that the VDS "family"
made up and asked Deepak and Satish to agree to.  As far as what Deepak meant by the VDS "family" he doesn't know if it includes "Tom Dick or Harry" to quote Mickey John.  Also Mickey did believe that Deepak was telling truth.  Deepak was sorry to have supported the family lie as it landed him in jail.

I may miss show..KERIN if u see it let me know? Thanx


FOM...that's GREAT news!!!! And right in line with what we suspected, right???? Oh I hope you told Mickey HELLO from all of us (and that I wanted to give him a BIG hug!!).
See you tonight?
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« Reply #331 on: June 28, 2005, 03:56:40 PM »

FOM, you rock!!!!!!   Cool   And I hope you told him how much support he has from all of us!!!   Very Happy
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« Reply #332 on: June 28, 2005, 03:56:55 PM »

Some AMSOUTH LINKS:

http://www.bizjournals.com/birmingham/stories/2003/12/22/daily12.html
http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/insurance/2004-07-11-moorehead_x.htm
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« Reply #333 on: June 28, 2005, 03:57:26 PM »

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Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
Hey Kerin et al...have not had time to get up to date and am going to work soon.  Here is what I can add.

I just got off phone with Mickey John.
Greta was at his house today and he may be on tonight.
I asked him if deepak told him/said "I never shoulda lef her w/Joran"
HE SAID NO _ NEVER.
Deepak did say to him that he and Saish dropped NH and Joran off at the Marriot afer he lighthouse.  Then Deepak said he and Satish went home.
The whole thing he said about Holiday Inn was a lie that the VDS "family"
made up and asked Deepak and Satish to agree to.  As far as what Deepak meant by the VDS "family" he doesn't know if it includes "Tom Dick or Harry" to quote Mickey John.  Also Mickey did believe that Deepak was telling truth.  Deepak was sorry to have supported the family lie as it landed him in jail.

I may miss show..KERIN if u see it let me know? Thanx


FOM...that's GREAT news!!!! And right in line with what we suspected, right???? Oh I hope you told Mickey HELLO from all of us (and that I wanted to give him a BIG hug!!).
See you tonight?


He asked me to give a shout out on his behalf.
He also just found out about Jorans godfather
 and said that was F***ED UP!!! Rolling Eyes
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« Reply #334 on: June 28, 2005, 03:57:27 PM »

In regards of the twittys going to the vds home I understand he said it like this. You "edited"-absolut went out wit natalee and now tell ur where she is. Imagine when an arab guy stands at your door in the states and sayin hey you pigbellies. You neighter would stand open for discussiom

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i was not talking just about arubans, dutch, etc., but rather all islands (& i have been to ALOT of them). guess ya have to experience it to understand Wink you don't go there & treat the people who live there, ANY of them, like less-thans, or approach people pointing fingers, threatening, & accusing along with your "good ol boys". island people wiill NOT try to help, then. IMHO & FWIW


Then that is extremely sad that people would not help frantic parents looking for their daughter because they didn't approach them in the "island" manner. If that's the case, then they are truly cold and heartless for not understand how upsetting it is to have a child disappear.

And you of all people should certainly understand that.


i DO understand that, but i also understand the difference between frantic & bully Wink  all you have to do is look at twitty .....& imagine him with his posse.. also, FWIW, re VDS & sweating? maybe i am guilty of something, because i sweat all the time, embarassingly so,  down here in fl. i also drink alot of fluids, not even alcohol..

i do feel for the family, i am still in the midst of a nightmare.  thanks, for all your prayers & kind thoughts, those who have commented.


I agree Karen.  This is just my opinion but there is such a difference between Natalee's Dad and her stepdad.  And this is just my gut - I cannot warm up to the stepdad.  And, yes, while VDS may have reacted as well - most people when attacked will fight back - it's an andreline thing - does not always put anyone in a postive light but sometimes it happens.  Does not make him guilty or innocent as we do not know.

Karen - my thoughts are with you in regards to your son.
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« Reply #335 on: June 28, 2005, 03:58:39 PM »

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I also read that in the dutch msn that the dutch Marines stationed in Aruba are going to assist in the search. I think that is the contribution which is added by the Netherlands. Mind you that their job is is defending Aruba and the war against drugs.


You're kidding, right?  If there's 200+ men there, in prime physical and mental condition, why is Aruba well known as a drug point??

They must have other duties which have priority.


Please remember that the military doesn't do anything unless ordered to do it.  The local commander cannot arbitrarily decide to commit his forces to the search on his own accord.  It is the same way with the US military.  

Also keep in mind the the military is there to kill and blow things up...that what marines do.  If given orders they would probably search until they couldn't search anymore.  I'm sure they want to help all they can, but the orders/permission have to come down from the top...which by the way is a little ways away in a place called the Netherlands
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« Reply #336 on: June 28, 2005, 04:00:07 PM »

who is Joran's godfather?
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« Reply #337 on: June 28, 2005, 04:01:10 PM »

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In regards of the twittys going to the vds home I understand he said it like this. You "edited"-absolut went out wit natalee and now tell ur where she is. Imagine when an arab guy stands at your door in the states and sayin hey you pigbellies. You neighter would stand open for discussiom

Quote from: "xcptnl"
Quote from: "karen"
Quote from: "writenow"
Quote from: "karen"
i was not talking just about arubans, dutch, etc., but rather all islands (& i have been to ALOT of them). guess ya have to experience it to understand Wink you don't go there & treat the people who live there, ANY of them, like less-thans, or approach people pointing fingers, threatening, & accusing along with your "good ol boys". island people wiill NOT try to help, then. IMHO & FWIW


Then that is extremely sad that people would not help frantic parents looking for their daughter because they didn't approach them in the "island" manner. If that's the case, then they are truly cold and heartless for not understand how upsetting it is to have a child disappear.

And you of all people should certainly understand that.


i DO understand that, but i also understand the difference between frantic & bully Wink  all you have to do is look at twitty .....& imagine him with his posse.. also, FWIW, re VDS & sweating? maybe i am guilty of something, because i sweat all the time, embarassingly so,  down here in fl. i also drink alot of fluids, not even alcohol..

i do feel for the family, i am still in the midst of a nightmare.  thanks, for all your prayers & kind thoughts, those who have commented.


I agree Karen.  This is just my opinion but there is such a difference between Natalee's Dad and her stepdad.  And this is just my gut - I cannot warm up to the stepdad.  And, yes, while VDS may have reacted as well - most people when attacked will fight back - it's an andreline thing - does not always put anyone in a postive light but sometimes it happens.  Does not make him guilty or innocent as we do not know.

Karen - my thoughts are with you in regards to your son.


I have never hear that Jug or anyone called them A$$holes, is there a transcript of an interview or a link you have that this is fact?
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« Reply #338 on: June 28, 2005, 04:02:51 PM »

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This is an extremely private situation and it is very difficult to talk about/speculate/wonder for all those involved.  Even if those kids knew everything that happened, the public is in no way entitled to that information.  Everything that the kids ...  know has been relayed to the authorities...whether the police or the kids decide to divulge any information is not up to the public or media.


Just an experiment, readers:
Without checking back to see which kids the poster references, how do you feel about this post?

If it's Joran & co., are you furious?
If it's the Americans... how do you feel?

Not making a judgment call.  Just curious.


My personal opinion is that private citizens have the choice to decide whether they want to talk to the news media at all.

In the case of public officials, they also have the choice, but their decision may carry greater consequences - especially if they are elected officials Wink

They also have the "fair game" vulnerability as public figures - if they choose not to talk to the press, that doesn't mean that the press is not going to speculate.

And while the press might speculate about private citizen kids, they might run into some consequences with advertisers, if they operate in a country where news is a business.

I have to admit though, that those opinions do not stop me from watching Geraldo, his hair, and all the other performers in the Fox circus, and as much as one can under such somber circumstances, enjoying the spectacular!
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« Reply #339 on: June 28, 2005, 04:03:46 PM »

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So do we know if or how Tom Twitty is related to Jug? If they are related, and if someone were out to hurt Tom Twitty, wouldn't they choose a more direct target?--someone closer to him than the step-daughter of a brother/cousin/etc.?
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