December 14, 2019, 10:18:30 AM *
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
News: NEW CHILD BOARD CREATED IN THE POLITICAL SECTION FOR THE 2016 ELECTION
 
   Home   Help Login Register  
Pages: « 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 »   Go Down
  Print  
Author Topic: RBN# 31 6/28/05 Tuesday  (Read 204493 times)
0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.
cancon
Scared Monkey
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 179


« Reply #440 on: June 28, 2005, 05:32:09 PM »

come kids drink underage all over the world, esp kids that look older,

the gambling, well I know in Canada they are very strict about that, they do card everyone but then we haven't had casinos that long and hello, kids can get good fake ID, just like terrorists and other criminals can and do all the time, the other thing with Canadian casinos, they are so crowded they don't mind turning people away, if they weren't so crowded you might be more "accomodating"

gee my friend and I had our own scam before photo ID was mandatory, see they raised the drinking age to 19 in Ontario after I turned 18 so I was allowed to drink, but my best friend was 18 and couldn't drink legally, so I used to give her all my ID, except my age of majority card, because they did check diligently when the law first came in, now they don't care as much, I would go in first with my age of majority card only, luckily they never looked at my name which is unique, just the picture and birthdate, I would go to the ladies washroom and wait, my friend would wait about 5 minutes and then go in with a crowd of other people, then meet me in the can......worked all summer, LOL

but come on if the bouncers all know Joran or his dad is a big customer, they might turn a blind eye, how many times do minors get thrown out of Aruban casinos or turned away I wonder.......
Logged
SunnyinTX
Monkey Mega Star
******
Offline Offline

Posts: 22914



« Reply #441 on: June 28, 2005, 05:32:14 PM »

I read on Dan's site that there has been some vandalism at the Van der Sloot's home.....have any of our Aruban posters heard anything about that??

Also anything about the TXES today.  They did confirn that 2 dogs got hits yesterday at the same place...the pond or whatever that is..and Tim said it had not been cleared as of last night....I am assuming that it has not been thoroughly checked......Tim also said that even if they had found something they may not bring anything up right away because of the press.....now that's SAD that they have to resort to that.  He also said they were going to being in some different equipmet...but the darn phone rang and I didn't hear the rest of it.  Did anyone hear it?

Sunny
Logged

Rest in Peace Caylee
Natalee, We will never forget.
Zahra, run with the Angels

PUT ON YOUR BIG GIRL PANTIES AND GET OVER IT!  It's not about you or me.....It's about the Missing and the Murdered
EdwinW
Scared Monkey
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 35



« Reply #442 on: June 28, 2005, 05:32:45 PM »

I realize I will get probably some negative reactions on this post, but I like to make something clear. It has erverything to do with this article on Fox News: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160884,00.html.

This day the government of Aruba called the government of The Netherlands begging for help as you can read on Fox News. No comment on that. The reason why they did that, is slightly different what Fox News reported.

- The fact is that all this media attention is 'somewhat' out of control. The Aruban government is completly stunned about all the articles of the media.
- Unfortunatly Fox News does not cover the whole thing about the legal system of Aruba and/or The Netherlands. Many persons are stuck with dozens of questions. Fox News does not answer them for you and you will be left with the idea the legal system fails or doesn't make sense.
- Fox News repeatedly spreaded some lies about Aruba. Aruba now seems to be the most scariest place on earth. In fact, Aruba is - like many places in the Caribbean - a very safe place. You can check several US websites that will confirm that.
- There are now millions of speculations about the suspects. Speculations about them or the circumstances will not help NH back nor does it help to solve this case.

Aruba does not produce any drugs. Instead, Columbia uses Aruba (and also Curacao) to transport their drugs to many places. The Aruban, Dutch and US government actively work together to fight against drugs. The US government has an counterdrug aircraft located on Aruba (check DEA website for details: http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/pubs/intel/03014/03014.pdf).

Please do respect the people on Aruba and the police as they work almost 24/7. And yes, they do feel an enormous pressure to solve the disappearence of NH.
Logged
NL
Scared Monkey
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 37


WWW
« Reply #443 on: June 28, 2005, 05:33:09 PM »

Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "NL"
I just saw an EXCLUSIVE interview with Paul and Anita van der Sloot on Dutch television! Some interesting details...

- Paul van der Sloot is NOT a suspect anymore; he doesn't want the Dutch media to call him "Paul van der S.", he wants them to use his full last name.
- Paul doesn't want to see his family as the victim. Natalee's family is the victim. He hopes Natalee will be found.
- Anita thinks Natalee is still alive
- On why he was arrested: Paul told the POLICE that he picked up Joran at the Mc Donald's @11PM. But according to Natalee's family the first time they met Paul, Paul said he picked up Joran @4AM. There's also a version that says Paul picked up Joran AND Natalee @4AM. Not true, according to Paul. Natalee's family must misinterpretated his words.
- Natalee's family arrived in Aruba, went to the police office immediately. At 2AM, Paul was sleeping, Natalee's family went to the house of the Van der Sloots. Natalee's mother wants to speak with Joran. But Joran was not home (Paul didn't know that), he was at the casino. Father called son at his mobile. At 3AM Joran was home; Natalee's family interrogated him. Paul told him not to tell them the details, because he was not sure of their "status"/who they were. "You should tell the police what happened".
- Joran also lied to his parents (Holiday Inn story), according to Paul. But now they can explain the reason why he made up the Holiday Inn story, because he was "in panic", etc.
- Joran had sex with Natalee in the car, according to Paul ("vrijen").
- Joran met Natalee at the Holiday Inn. Joran was playing poker ("Free Poker tournament", or something). Natalee invited him to go to Carlos and Charlie's. Joran first didn't want to go.
- Paul IS a judge. A temporary judge. He knows the authorities very well. Paul van Straaten, Marianne Croes. It was very strange to see how his friends/ex-collegues arrested him.
- Paul admits his son is in big trouble, because he made up that Holiday Inn-story.
- Paul first had the idea that he convinced Natalee's mother that his family is not the "key".
- Paul first didn't want to do interviews, because he thinks the most important thing is to find Natalee. His family's problem is just a "side-issue". But now he feels he HAS to say something, because his name is in the American media all the time. He doesn't like the whol American media circus. He thinks the main-issue should be finding Natalee and finding the truth.
- Eh...I think that's a short summary of what he and Anita said in front of Nova cameras....
 

NL, this is great.  Is there a NOVA link for the Dutch speakers?


The interview is not online YET. It will be put online tomorrow (maybe for the Americans that's tonight) here:
http://www.novatv.nl/index.cfm?cfid=37705936&cftoken=12132316&ln=nl&fuseaction=videoaudio.details&reportage_id=3540
Logged
iquitos
Scared Monkey
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 0


« Reply #444 on: June 28, 2005, 05:34:03 PM »

kok used vrijen, ap's first dispatch from the island on the case said they had sex.
Logged
golden
Scared Monkey
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 143



« Reply #445 on: June 28, 2005, 05:34:27 PM »

Quote from: "PrayForNatalee"
Quote from: "someone"
Quote from: "FindNatalee!"
Quote from: "someone"

If the media directs the eyes of the world at Aruba, it must also examine *all* aspects of the case.  If the Holloway cause benefits from the media, it must also face its scrutiny.  I believe Natalee has nothing to hide.  But silence on the part of her friends calls that into question.  That's not good.


As long as pieces of this story appear to be missing the MB connection just becomes more suspect.  I understand the hesitancy of the MB kids and parents to submit to the media glare. It can be harsh.  But if they really want to help thier friend then they should understand that every available aspect has to be examined.  It's not about appearances, perceptions or judgements.  It's supposed to be about justice.
Logged

If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem.
cancon
Scared Monkey
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 179


« Reply #446 on: June 28, 2005, 05:34:51 PM »

Tim was talking about some kind of radar or sonar equipment for the water on the rougher sides of the island, the sideways sonar won't work well in those areas?
Logged
NL
Scared Monkey
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 37


WWW
« Reply #447 on: June 28, 2005, 05:36:15 PM »

Quote from: "Frank"
Quote from: "NL"
Quote from: "PrayForNatalee"
Quote from: "NL"
- Joran had sex with Natalee in the car, according to Paul ("vrijen").


I thought "vrijen" was a word which could mean anything from kissing to actual sex.  Did he specify in english that it was intercourse?

I've heard that Joran did specify this, which is believed by many as a means to explain away rape charges if there is forensic evidence found.

But if "vrijen" was the only word used, do we know Joran actually said this?


The interview was in Dutch. Paul only used the word "vrijen", but I think that's the same as "neuken"? if it was just kissing, Paul wouldn't have used the word "vrijen".
"Neuken" is not a word that a judge will use in public...


Is there a reasonably polite Dutch word for sexual intercourse?


"Vrijen" is the polite word for sexual intercourse.
Logged
Frank
Scared Monkey
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 21


« Reply #448 on: June 28, 2005, 05:37:19 PM »

Quote from: "iquitos"
vrijen:  1 court, go out with, neck,  go courting 2. make love source wolters nederlands engels

i am so glad the dutch press is on this story.  the locals understand dutch press.  maybe this will build a fire under the dutch govt.


Build a fire to do what?
Logged
HannieC
Scared Monkey
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 375



« Reply #449 on: June 28, 2005, 05:37:51 PM »

I don`t think "vrijen" don`t necessarily mean intercourse. A lot of people in the netherlands using the word 'vrijen'also for kissing and hugging or fondling a little Wink
Logged

If you create a theory, you fall in the trap of trying to fit the facts to your theory...
Scott
Scared Monkey
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 190


« Reply #450 on: June 28, 2005, 05:39:33 PM »

Quote from: "NL"
Quote from: "PrayForNatalee"
Quote from: "NL"
- Joran had sex with Natalee in the car, according to Paul ("vrijen").


I thought "vrijen" was a word which could mean anything from kissing to actual sex.  Did he specify in english that it was intercourse?

I've heard that Joran did specify this, which is believed by many as a means to explain away rape charges if there is forensic evidence found.

But if "vrijen" was the only word used, do we know Joran actually said this?


The interview was in Dutch. Paul only used the word "vrijen", but I think that's the same as "neuken"? if it was just kissing, Paul wouldn't have used the word "vrijen".
"Neuken" is not a word that a judge will use in public...


In the infamous Deepak e-mail, "he" says:

"....when I looked in the back mirror my friend and Natalee were kissing and touching (his hands etc was in her blouse but nothing nude or against natalees will)..."

IF, I repeat, IF this e-mail is legitimate in any context, would this kind of fooling around (making out/feeling her up/2nd base,etc) be construed as 'vrijen'?
Logged
Tila_Bean
Scared Monkey
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 169



« Reply #451 on: June 28, 2005, 05:39:58 PM »

Any word on if Fox is going to air this interview?
Logged
~TAZ_MAN~
Scared Monkey
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 226



« Reply #452 on: June 28, 2005, 05:40:48 PM »

Im going to say that maybe the release of the boys at this stage of the game assuming there isnt much evidence might be a good thing, it might open the doors to them making another mistake or saying something to someone incriminating, or doing something while surveiled.
Logged

Innocent people dont lie.
HannieC
Scared Monkey
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 375



« Reply #453 on: June 28, 2005, 05:40:55 PM »

Yes Scott, that could be..that is what I mean
Logged

If you create a theory, you fall in the trap of trying to fit the facts to your theory...
a Troll
Scared Monkey
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 33


« Reply #454 on: June 28, 2005, 05:41:07 PM »

Quote from: "Carnac"

Confirming unsubstantiated rumors from Riehl World View last week, Joran Van Der S.  was released from custody yesterday.  He was said to have been home last night.  

This morning, reporters hoping for an interview showed up at the VDS home only to find it burned to the ground.

Many on the Island believe that the VDS family burned the house down and have disappeared from the island in a small boat.

Two witnesses report to having seen an angry mob with torches heading to the VDS castle.  The witnesses were unable to identify any faces, but one witness reported hearing the strange chant:  "Roll Tide".


Sorry, this was supposed to be posted in RBN 07/07/05.
Logged
sb
Monkey Junky
***
Offline Offline

Posts: 2117



« Reply #455 on: June 28, 2005, 05:42:10 PM »

Quote from: "heavyheart"

It is probably a joint operation between NATO & DEA.  I'm sure it covers most all boat and air traffic through the area.  

Don't bet your life you'll ever see any radar data made public.  I'm sure the authorities are asking for information for a specific time frame but they too will get little specific information...just enough to to their jobs.


No, I don't expect Greta to be interviewing any surveillance radar operators... not in our lifetime... but this does at least say that any clandestine activities could be ruled out by the powers-that-be behind the scenes. The FBI/DEA could have a way of at least suspecting that Natalee was not taken off the island. I had a feeling this was the case. I hope so.

I think she is being held there somewhere by some unknown party. But Joran is involved and culpable. Bank on it.
Logged

Natalee's family/friends still need our prayers.
goon squad
Scared Monkey
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 81


« Reply #456 on: June 28, 2005, 05:43:13 PM »

"Oh... when I said 11PM, I meant 4AM... or was it the other way around...."

Righhhht.
Logged
Dallas Also
Scared Monkey
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 342


« Reply #457 on: June 28, 2005, 05:46:02 PM »

Justice will be served.
Logged
~TAZ_MAN~
Scared Monkey
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 226



« Reply #458 on: June 28, 2005, 05:46:32 PM »

I dont believe the sex in the car because evidently these guys didnt even like their car to get dirty.  No way a guy obsessive about his car is going to let intercourse happen in the back seat.  

If the deed already happened then there would be no reason for them to go to the mariott beach afterward.  Joran would have gotten what he wanted and that would be the end of it.

Either the dad is again trying to cover for Joran in case evidence is found that he raped her, or joran made the rape cover all by himself.  Maybe the father really doesnt know.

Sex in the car can easily be verified by the people driving that car.

This is assuming Mr VDS meant intercourse in that interview and not just kissing.
Logged

Innocent people dont lie.
batmanCJ
Scared Monkey
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 40


« Reply #459 on: June 28, 2005, 05:46:38 PM »

Hi All~

There are some reports (not sure from where) over at the Riehl website that the Texas team did not go out and search today?  Anyone hear anything about this?

Thanks~
J
Logged
Pages: « 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 »   Go Up
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Use of this web site in any manner signifies unconditional acceptance, without exception, of our terms of use.
Powered by SMF 1.1.13 | SMF © 2006-2011, Simple Machines LLC
 
Page created in 1.339 seconds with 19 queries.