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« Reply #460 on: June 28, 2005, 05:46:41 PM »

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In response to PVDS saying he is NOT a suspect anymore, the spokeswoman for the prosecutor's office made it very clear and was very emphatic last night that he most definately IS still a suspect.  She was not so emphatic about SC.


That's what I thought too.
But maybe I should correct myself:
Paul himself didn't say he was not a suspect anymore. The reporter said he was not a suspect anymore ("First let to clarify this. It's not like we don't respect his privacy. Paul doesn't want the Dutch media to call him "Van der S.", because he's not a suspect anymore. He wants NOVA to call his full name").

And ONE more interesting detail: according to the reporter, Paul and Anita don't like the way how the police interrogate their son. They are worried about the tactics of the Aruban police. The "Zaanse methode" (an interrogation technique) is a technique that is not allowed in the Netherlands anymore. But in Aruba the police still use that technique (that means there are also differences between the Dutch and the Aruban system: the Aruban system is BASED on the Dutch system, but there are differences).
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« Reply #461 on: June 28, 2005, 05:46:41 PM »

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Confirming unsubstantiated rumors from Riehl World View last week, Joran Van Der S.  was released from custody yesterday.  He was said to have been home last night.  

This morning, reporters hoping for an interview showed up at the VDS home only to find it burned to the ground.

Many on the Island believe that the VDS family burned the house down and have disappeared from the island in a small boat.

Two witnesses report to having seen an angry mob with torches heading to the VDS castle.  The witnesses were unable to identify any faces, but one witness reported hearing the strange chant:  "Roll Tide".


Sorry, this was supposed to be posted in RBN 07/07/05.
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« Reply #462 on: June 28, 2005, 05:47:15 PM »

Again,,,,the MB kids have talked to the media...

I lurk a lot...I have seen ON THIS FORUM,,things repeated that were just off a little,,and I am sure not on purpose,,but the way they saw it.. Then it got repeated as the GOSPEL..It gets to be funny,,you can ask 5 people who saw a person 10 min earlier,,and get different responses..

Sorry,,,if Joran's friends are talking,,and I am sure somebody else saw them,,,then please quit hitting on the MB kids because I see them almost every day on local TV...The FBI has talked to all the kids per DASH.....................................kk
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« Reply #463 on: June 28, 2005, 05:49:20 PM »

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"Oh... when I said 11PM, I meant 4AM... or was it the other way around...."

Righhhht.


Good point.  The words "eleven" and "four" sound a lot alike in English. It could happen to anyone.
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« Reply #464 on: June 28, 2005, 05:51:29 PM »

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Edmond keeps thinking the 2 strangers may have contacted the Chaparone, perhaps the drug dealers near Holiday Inn.  He states that strange occurences was going on near HI, but police is not following leads.  His counter associate, is asking what happened afterwards, their motives etc. .. He feels there is a probably some kinda of fallacy that may have come out already.  What if Joran does not know anymore, he mentioned a girl being hysterics.. but Ed says that Hotel workers say that a girl was taken away.  He states people that knows need to take courage to give tips.
You bet they are scared.  I bet a lot of people involved are scared.  Maybe even Joran.  Can't help wondering if he wasn't suckered into something way, way over his head, not just with Natalee, but for at least the past year in his life.  All those party pics.  The reputed porn movie.  Drugs.  Gambling.  Heads in the graveyard.  Not a very healthy world.  Yep, I bet the hotel workers are scared to speak.


Perhaps the screaming girl on the beach was the result of joran's actions? That is if that rumor is correct.
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« Reply #465 on: June 28, 2005, 05:51:38 PM »

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The world does not need aruba, it is an extra island we can do fine without.

Give us back our kid or we pull the plug and let it sink.

bad news knickerbockers, american prison gangs reach into every jail in the hemisphere and many others too. I can buy that kids thumbs for $200 ea. You think you are a player? You are a punk.



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« Reply #466 on: June 28, 2005, 05:52:00 PM »

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I dont believe the sex in the car because evidently these guys didnt even like their car to get dirty.  No way a guy obsessive about his car is going to let intercourse happen in the back seat.  

If the deed already happened then there would be no reason for them to go to the mariott beach afterward.  Joran would have gotten what he wanted and that would be the end of it.

Either the dad is again trying to cover for Joran in case evidence is found that he raped her, or joran made the rape cover all by himself.  Maybe the father really doesnt know.

Sex in the car can easily be verified by the people driving that car.

This is assuming Mr VDS meant intercourse in that interview and not just kissing.


The car wasn't all that big and there's even less room in the backseat. Joran's 6'5" and there are 4 people in the car -- i just don't see how he'd have room to have sex in the car.  I bet he couldn't even move his legs. They were probably crammed up against the back of the front seat.
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« Reply #467 on: June 28, 2005, 05:52:25 PM »

Uhhhhhhhh,
Oh, nevermind...
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« Reply #468 on: June 28, 2005, 05:52:31 PM »

I`ts an interview of about 25 minutes and the only thing that some people read is the word "vrijen"...hmmm


I`m glad that I saw finally the family of Joran talking and hearing there story, b/c the only thing we heard is from the msm of the US. And by the way I thought he looks like a real genuin and softspoken person to me also!
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« Reply #469 on: June 28, 2005, 05:53:28 PM »

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"Oh... when I said 11PM, I meant 4AM... or was it the other way around...."

Righhhht.


Good point.  The words "eleven" and "four" sound a lot alike in English. It could happen to anyone.


Frank & Goon - not meaning to start anything here but...how many languages do you speak fluently?  How often do you actually use those other than English?
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« Reply #470 on: June 28, 2005, 05:53:54 PM »

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The world does not need aruba, it is an extra island we can do fine without.

Give us back our kid or we pull the plug and let it sink.

bad news knickerbockers, american prison gangs reach into every jail in the hemisphere and many others too. I can buy that kids thumbs for $200 ea. You think you are a player? You are a punk.


Please Hat, we do not need this kind of stuff here......Please!!!
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« Reply #471 on: June 28, 2005, 05:54:36 PM »

Uhhhhhhhh,
Oh, nevermind...

This post was meant to be a response to the "sink the island" post...
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« Reply #472 on: June 28, 2005, 05:54:57 PM »

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I`ts an interview of about 25 minutes and the only thing that some people read is the word "vrijen"...hmmm


I`m glad that I saw finally the family of Joran talking and hearing there story, b/c the only thing we heard is from the msm of the US. And by the way I thought he looks like a real genuin and softspoken person to me also!


It was not the only word read it was the only word read that didnt jive with a factual story.  A disclaimer was made that if vrijen can mean kissing then the theory was out the window.  But virjen meaning sex in a little car - sorry sell crazy someplace else.
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« Reply #473 on: June 28, 2005, 05:55:40 PM »

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this is a comment left on Juran's site from: aruba one happy eiland on June 14, 2005

"jur du guy that have natalee how gud you am proud of mijn aruba now everybody thinking that is bad"

What could this mean????  jur da guy (your the guy..???)  that have natalee how gud (good...???)


I think it's saying:  Your the guy who has Natalee, how could you.  I'm proud of my aruba and now everybody thinks its a ad place......
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« Reply #474 on: June 28, 2005, 05:56:11 PM »

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And ONE more interesting detail: according to the reporter, Paul and Anita don't like the way how the police interrogate their son. They are worried about the tactics of the Aruban police. The "Zaanse methode" (an interrogation technique) is a technique that is not allowed in the Netherlands anymore. But in Aruba the police still use that technique (that means there are also differences between the Dutch and the Aruban system: the Aruban system is BASED on the Dutch system, but there are differences).[/quote]

Can you explain this method to us??
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« Reply #475 on: June 28, 2005, 05:56:42 PM »

Any word on the searchers today?  Can someone please update me?  Been at work this afternoon and couldn't check in much...
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« Reply #476 on: June 28, 2005, 05:57:17 PM »

What Factual story was that?
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« Reply #477 on: June 28, 2005, 05:57:32 PM »

Come on already...Sex in the car? There is not even a trace of her DNA in the car. Not a hair, a skin cell, fluids, nothing. I have a hard time believing that they even have the right vehicles.
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« Reply #478 on: June 28, 2005, 05:57:32 PM »

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- Joran had sex with Natalee in the car, according to Paul ("vrijen").


I thought "vrijen" was a word which could mean anything from kissing to actual sex.  Did he specify in english that it was intercourse?

I've heard that Joran did specify this, which is believed by many as a means to explain away rape charges if there is forensic evidence found.

But if "vrijen" was the only word used, do we know Joran actually said this?


The interview was in Dutch. Paul only used the word "vrijen", but I think that's the same as "neuken"? if it was just kissing, Paul wouldn't have used the word "vrijen".
"Neuken" is not a word that a judge will use in public...


In the infamous Deepak e-mail, "he" says:

"....when I looked in the back mirror my friend and Natalee were kissing and touching (his hands etc was in her blouse but nothing nude or against natalees will)..."

IF, I repeat, IF this e-mail is legitimate in any context, would this kind of fooling around (making out/feeling her up/2nd base,etc) be construed as 'vrijen'?


We have been over this so many times it makes my head spin.  The statements from the brothers said specifically that they were kissing and fondling in the back seat. The same thing was said in the email.  Do you guys really think that Satish and Deepak were just going to sit in the car while Joran and Natalee went at it?

edit: it has been explained before that vrijen (or however you spell it) can have a wide variety of connotations including what the brothers said went on in the car.
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« Reply #479 on: June 28, 2005, 05:57:49 PM »

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"Oh... when I said 11PM, I meant 4AM... or was it the other way around...."

Righhhht.


Good point.  The words "eleven" and "four" sound a lot alike in English. It could happen to anyone.


Reasons why he was arrested, according to himself:
- 11PM and 4AM
- because the police thinks he taught Joran, Deepak and Satish how to lie

Paul's reaction:
- He has never said he picked up Joran at 4AM. He has always said I picked up Joran at 11PM (Mc Donald's). For some reason the FAMILY told the police that he said to the family that he picked up Joran at 4AM.
And he also said there's a story that he picked up Joran and NATALEE at 4AM (he didn't say where that story comes from).
- He didn't told the kids to lie. Yes, when he had the feeling that the 3 kids might be arrested, he explained the kids the procedure and how to stay calm.
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