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« Reply #660 on: June 28, 2005, 07:36:00 PM »

Another fine mess:  the confession to the murder of Jessica Lunsford could be thrown out as Couey was not given the Miranda
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« Reply #661 on: June 28, 2005, 07:36:56 PM »

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I just saw the interview again.

PVS indeed said Joran and Natalee made love ("vrijen") in the car.


So you are sure he meant sex?  I mean from what we have heard from the brothers statements they only kissed and fondled in the backseat.


No. I'm not sure. He said "vrijen".
"Vrijen" is the Dutch word for "kissing", but it's also the (polite) word for "having sex".
Maybe it's just kissing and touching each other...
But my opinion is: if he meant "kissing and touching", he wouldn't have used the word "vrijen".

But maybe he's not sure whether Joran had sex with Natalee or not. That's also possible.


I had it translated from Dutch to English and this is what I found: vrijen: court; romance; woo; make love
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« Reply #662 on: June 28, 2005, 07:37:07 PM »

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I just saw the interview again.

PVS indeed said Joran and Natalee made love ("vrijen") in the car.


So you are sure he meant sex? .


PLEASE- for the 100th time, we have heard it from knowledgeble sources that the word 'vrijien' does not necessarily mean sex! It can mean making-out!.
Arubagirl, can you confirm?


Im trying to keep this clear, since things that have been disproven or disputed keep coming back up as fact.  We need to try and make sure we are clear as to what is known and what people are speculating
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« Reply #663 on: June 28, 2005, 07:37:22 PM »

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Hello friends-you two know who you are.

this quote works for me when studying this quagmire:

"I wouldn't say YES, but I couldn't say NO. Would you say MAYBE? I MIGHT."
-Larry, Moe, and Curly


LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
wwizard, you're words of wisdom just in the nick of time Laughing


tip o' the hat-Paula
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« Reply #664 on: June 28, 2005, 07:38:01 PM »

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Another fine mess:  the confession to the murder of Jessica Lunsford could be thrown out as Couey was not given the Miranda
Heard that too. F that man. Just bury him.
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« Reply #665 on: June 28, 2005, 07:38:02 PM »

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this guy is from missouri, didn't i read somewhere that ms holloway moved to alabama 5 years ago from clinton missouri? saw an article in the clinton newspaper I think... from her best friend there writing about natalie. how beth twitty lived there.  food for thought!



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« Reply #666 on: June 28, 2005, 07:38:17 PM »

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I also remember that the Kalpoes' mom said that Deepak said to her that he was upset because Joran and Natalee were "making love" in his car.  I thought the terminology was just a language issue, but it could indicate that Deepak has said that same thing as Joran as to what happened in the car.


I dont remember her using the words making love, but it was a while ago.  I think what she said was that the two were in the backseat making out and that Deepak told them if they wanted to make love to go get a hotel room or something.


Nope, I remember that too.
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« Reply #667 on: June 28, 2005, 07:38:27 PM »

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It would be against Natalee's religious faith to have knowingly been sexual with Joran.  She is a born-again Christian, therefore would 1) not have sex, and 2) not be "unequally-yoked" with a non-Christian, which is a teaching of the Bible.


I agree it was probably against her religious teachings to have sex.  And her character as described by her friends certainly seems like someone who adhered strictly to her beliefs. But, I'm not sure that this by itself would mean that she didn't have sex.  I know A LOT of girls who are Christians who do things worse than what some people are alledging she did.

That being said I just don't see her having sex in the car, for a number of reasons.  Something may have happened at the beach, but if our only source for it is Joran then I would be pretty skeptical.


Has anyone thought of this? She had a hotel room, so if she was looking for sex, I think Joran would have said, 'after we had sex in her hotel room.' But he didn't say that. So I think it's bull.


Did he say where they had sex?  I can't remember...



Per PVDS's own mouth, the back seat of the car.............of course he could be as much a liar as his son, the boy had to learn it somewhere
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« Reply #668 on: June 28, 2005, 07:38:34 PM »

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Hello friends-you two know who you are.

this quote works for me when studying this quagmire:

"I wouldn't say YES, but I couldn't say NO. Would you say MAYBE? I MIGHT."
-Larry, Moe, and Curly


LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
wwizard, you're words of wisdom just in the nick of time Laughing


tip o' the hat-Paula

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« Reply #669 on: June 28, 2005, 07:38:42 PM »

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"Oh... when I said 11PM, I meant 4AM... or was it the other way around...."

Righhhht.


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« Reply #670 on: June 28, 2005, 07:39:20 PM »

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I also remember that the Kalpoes' mom said that Deepak said to her that he was upset because Joran and Natalee were "making love" in his car.  I thought the terminology was just a language issue, but it could indicate that Deepak has said that same thing as Joran as to what happened in the car.


I dont remember her using the words making love, but it was a while ago.  I think what she said was that the two were in the backseat making out and that Deepak told them if they wanted to make love to go get a hotel room or something.


You are right.  I was just going off of memory and what I thought I remembered her saying, but since you posted that I think your recollection is way more accurate.
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« Reply #671 on: June 28, 2005, 07:39:21 PM »

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I just saw the interview again.

PVS indeed said Joran and Natalee made love ("vrijen") in the car.


So you are sure he meant sex?  I mean from what we have heard from the brothers statements they only kissed and fondled in the backseat.


No. I'm not sure. He said "vrijen".
"Vrijen" is the Dutch word for "kissing", but it's also the (polite) word for "having sex".
Maybe it's just kissing and touching each other...
But my opinion is: if he meant "kissing and touching", he wouldn't have used the word "vrijen".

But maybe he's not sure whether Joran had sex with Natalee or not. That's also possible.


Thanks for the clarification.  I would go with him just meaning make out since that has what has already been described by deepak and satish, but who knows they have already lied. Again I just dont see them having sex with deepak and satish in the car.
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« Reply #672 on: June 28, 2005, 07:39:27 PM »

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Yeah, these Kalpoe bros are a true mystery to me. Doesnt sound like they had any fun at all that night.
they get to enjoy...

1) picking up Joren
2) taking Joren to a bar to p/u nat
3) 1/2 at bar?
4) chauffer Joren and Nat around the Isle (while they smooch).
5) drop Joren and Nat off
6) bugged for a ride at 3am?
7) bugged with another call even later?
 
nice nite boys. does Joren have pictures of them or something? And their reward? Prison.


This strikes me as a very important observation.  Perhaps Joran had promised them some other reward in return for them satisfying his mobility needs?

I see 2 possibilities,

1) they are total stooges who have been intimidated into thinking by PVDS that the truth will not help them.

2) at least one of the brothers is responsible for something worse than body disposal.
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« Reply #673 on: June 28, 2005, 07:39:28 PM »

Arubagirl,

Just want to say that as an American who has visited your island many times, the people are the most wonderful and hospitable people anywhere. We usually stay at Tierra del Sol so I am familiar with so many of the places involved. I feel deeply that the the Aruban people are doing their best here. Fortunately, or unfortunately in this particulear case, they just do not have that much experience with violent crime.
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« Reply #674 on: June 28, 2005, 07:39:53 PM »

Hi guys/gals ,
back for a while....I just read a newspaper article here, and anita says; Why he has left natalee on the beach I don`t know but there were adults there! I don`t know what to think about that......

it`s from http://www.ad.nl
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« Reply #675 on: June 28, 2005, 07:40:00 PM »

Sorry for repeating... is this old news?

Security guard was shown on Fox saying that Deepak told him that Paul vdSloot helped concoct the Holiday Inn story with the three boys.
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« Reply #676 on: June 28, 2005, 07:40:23 PM »

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Being a virgin is something you do for your own self respect, not something you do because your parents told you to.  Saying she was open to lose her virgnity with a total stranger is like saying she went to aruba to join a jazz band.  Theres absolutely nothing in her personality that would lead to that conclusion.

with all due respect, none of us know what was going on in Natalee's mind, even parents don't know what is always going on in their child's mind, we' re just engaging in what we do all the time, speculation based on our own experiences and interpretations of what little clues there are

I'm just thinking back to things me and my friends were thinking and talking about at that same age........

I was also thinking about how me and my siblings, in our early forties, are just now telling our parents stories from when we were teenagers, my mother just says, I'm glad I didn't know then.......and they still don't know the half of it.......



I knew kids that were 18 that would go to church 3 times a week, and never take a drink, on the other hand there were those that were doing drugs and vandilizing property but I would never reach the assumption that the church goers would join forces with the vandals just because they were the same age.  I didnt do drugs as a teenager, yet I went to "spring break" around tons of drinking and drugging, yet that didnt take my personality into a 180 degree partying frenzy.  Prior behavior is a good indicator of future behavior.


"Saying she was open to lose her virgnity with a total stranger is like saying she went to aruba to join a jazz band." Good quote. Not prudish, or even judgemental. Just logical.

The only reason why this exchange would even be relevant would be to speculate on the use of a date-rape drug.

Yeah. They used one.

But then they killed her.

Why?

Why wasn't it just enough to bring a beautiful, rich, and vibrant girl down to their level? Why did they (or Joran) have to kill her too?
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« Reply #677 on: June 28, 2005, 07:40:32 PM »

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Another fine mess:  the confession to the murder of Jessica Lunsford could be thrown out as Couey was not given the Miranda


Yes he was.  The confession may be thrown out because he asked for an attorney and was not provided one.
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« Reply #678 on: June 28, 2005, 07:41:17 PM »

The "Beach Story" came from Anita VDS per Joran's conversation with her.  So that makes it just a theory but one not to be ignored.
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« Reply #679 on: June 28, 2005, 07:41:24 PM »

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Yeah, these Kalpoe bros are a true mystery to me. Doesnt sound like they had any fun at all that night.
they get to enjoy...

1) picking up Joren
2) taking Joren to a bar to p/u nat
3) 1/2 at bar?
4) chauffer Joren and Nat around the Isle (while they smooch).
5) drop Joren and Nat off
6) bugged for a ride at 3am?
7) bugged with another call even later?
 
nice nite boys. does Joren have pictures of them or something? And their reward? Prison.


This strikes me as a very important observation.  Perhaps Joran had promised them some other reward in return for them satisfying his mobility needs?


I'm kinof going along this line that something about this scenario doesnt make sense.  I mean, not to influx a New York angle into this, but this is almost mob mentality. And I dont mean to suggest that the mob is involved. what I mean is, growing up in Ozone Park/Howard beach in NYC..I've seen a lot of this type of behavior..where "wannabe's" hang out with someone who is in a position of ...authority...closer to the mob...someone who is involved...and the wannabees will hangout...take the upstart wiseguy somewhere and ..then just sit in a car and wait for hours....until he comes out and tells them what else he wants them to do or where to go..like it is a rite of passage almost...Now, not to suggest that this is mob, but ...if this is what indeed took place then its mob mentality...meaning that these brothers felt that Joran was in a position of authority....perhaps aspiring authority...and didnt mind obeying him , chauffering him...as a dues paying rite. Bottom line goes back to the dutch boy being a player, or an aspiring player  in some forum..that these others where playing up to him and doing whatever he (his family?) said. In order to get inside. "They" wernt supposed to be having fun that night. They were just supposed to be doing what they were told to do.
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