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« Reply #780 on: June 28, 2005, 08:05:22 PM »

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Somebody saw the car of the brothers (the person is very familiar with the car, sees it almost daily, saw the brothers on the road at two am, going TO the direction of Montanja.


I'm going to call my cousin and let her know. She's a cop. And no, that's not the reason why I'm so gung-ho about defending the cops from corruption accusations. We're not that close.


Pass the info along if you think it might be helpful, especially since the reports of the boys passing lie detector tests except in relation to when they last saw Natalee, and where. I don't think you are gung ho about defending Aruba from the corruption/conspiracy allegations, there are a lot of dumb accusations being tossed at Aruba by people who are being ignorant.

The only thing I myself am wondering at all (You don't have to defend this etc) is why the Texas searchers are saying the DUTCH (not Aruban) media was hampering their search efforts by throwing rocks at them in the water and heckling them etc. OTOH, the US media was chasing around people and banging on people's doors and yelling at people. Any reasonable person can see that it's a circus down there and Americans are doing it too.

ArubaGirl, I know why you want to defend Aruba, but just ignore the dummies, you don;t owe answers to any trolls. Thanks for being so helpful to the people who aren't bothering you (or hopefully aren't bothering you!)

People should back off on the criticism of Aruba. While it is not Natalee or the Holloways' fault, it is not ARUBA's fault either! Do people not realize how often this happens in our own USA backyard?? We have a lot of crime! A lot of unsolved missing persons cases. Shoot, sadly, look at the Kristin SMart case..police think they are sure who did it but they can't pin the guy down so he's been walking free and Kristin has not been found and it has been YEARS.

I keep saying this:
U.S. CANNOT THROW STONES AT ARUBA!!

We can't, we have no place to, and all it does is rightfully alienate those who are HELPING to try and solve this case.
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« Reply #781 on: June 28, 2005, 08:05:43 PM »

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Yeah, these Kalpoe bros are a true mystery to me. Doesnt sound like they had any fun at all that night.
they get to enjoy...

1) picking up Joren
2) taking Joren to a bar to p/u nat
3) 1/2 at bar?
4) chauffer Joren and Nat around the Isle (while they smooch).
5) drop Joren and Nat off
6) bugged for a ride at 3am?
7) bugged with another call even later?
 
nice nite boys. does Joren have pictures of them or something? And their reward? Prison.


This strikes me as a very important observation.  Perhaps Joran had promised them some other reward in return for them satisfying his mobility needs?


I'm kinof going along this line that something about this scenario doesnt make sense.  I mean, not to influx a New York angle into this, but this is almost mob mentality. And I dont mean to suggest that the mob is involved. what I mean is, growing up in Ozone Park/Howard beach in NYC..I've seen a lot of this type of behavior..where "wannabe's" hang out with someone who is in a position of ...authority...closer to the mob...someone who is involved...and the wannabees will hangout...take the upstart wiseguy somewhere and ..then just sit in a car and wait for hours....until he comes out and tells them what else he wants them to do or where to go..like it is a rite of passage almost...Now, not to suggest that this is mob, but ...if this is what indeed took place then its mob mentality...meaning that these brothers felt that Joran was in a position of authority....perhaps aspiring authority...and didnt mind obeying him , chauffering him...as a dues paying rite. Bottom line goes back to the dutch boy being a player, or an aspiring player  in some forum..that these others where playing up to him and doing whatever he (his family?) said. In order to get inside. "They" wernt supposed to be having fun that night. They were just supposed to be doing what they were told to do.


Now that makes perfect sense!
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« Reply #782 on: June 28, 2005, 08:05:51 PM »

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Somebody saw the car of the brothers (the person is very familiar with the car, sees it almost daily, saw the brothers on the road at two am, going TO the direction of Montanja.


I'm going to call my cousin and let her know. She's a cop. And no, that's not the reason why I'm so gung-ho about defending the cops from corruption accusations. We're not that close.


Good evening arubagirl,

What are your thoughts about emailing Natalee's family, and perhaps Greta VS?
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« Reply #783 on: June 28, 2005, 08:06:06 PM »

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it hasn't gone poof! Jeremy Edward Brown, a fellow student of Natalee. Apparently there is not a missing person alert for him, so his family does not consider him missing.


Yes, I've heard this name mentioned but not substantiated (to me) as not on return flight, or even on trip.  Also, about an unknown man who Natalee talked to at length on the flight down who may be the one who was not on return flight.

I have not heard any follow-up on either of these - so, poof!  (I confess, tho, that I've skipped many pages of posts over the days.)
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« Reply #784 on: June 28, 2005, 08:06:43 PM »

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Can I ask a question. If somebody told me that they saw the brothers doing something suspicious but not illegal in and of itself, should I tell the cops? Even though a month has passed. I want to emphasize that I did not see it, but it was told to me. I assumed that this person told the cops, but turns out that that didn't happen.
AG... absolutely YES!  Exclamation
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« Reply #785 on: June 28, 2005, 08:06:45 PM »

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Quote from: "arubagirl"
Somebody saw the car of the brothers (the person is very familiar with the car, sees it almost daily, saw the brothers on the road at two am, going TO the direction of Montanja.


I'm going to call my cousin and let her know. She's a cop. And no, that's not the reason why I'm so gung-ho about defending the cops from corruption accusations. We're not that close.


This fits my theory that Deepak dropped Satish off then went back to wherever Joran was which is why Satish is covering for his brother.

OMG
OMG. I agree. Yup, omg is all I can say.


So why would he drop off Satish?


Maybe Satish freaked out about what happened and didnt want to be a part of it.  If he went home and got on the computer at 2 am and started typing emails explaining their behavior for a crime that nobody knew had been committed..but them..why do that.
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« Reply #786 on: June 28, 2005, 08:06:59 PM »

Aruba Update 2
As posted earlier, the news that came my way from Aruba today was confounding. It suggested that the prosecutor has yet to be able to build anything resembl;ing a strong case against any of the boys, though that information cannot be 100% confirmed by me, officially, or unofficially. I can only relate it as information received from a source which has proven to be timely and reliable in the past.

I have also been told that, as clearly hinted at in a previous post here, the boys have been given lie detector tests and said to have passed all questions except for the critical question of when they either were with, or saw Natalee last. This is now the second source who has conveyed information regarding a lie detector being used in the investigation.

Frankly, sooner or later I'm likely going to get burned by going further out on a limb with a previously relaiable source than many in the MSM might. However, I do not report simple rumors, or every other email that comes my way. But, ultimately, the majority of outlets in the MSM have excellent credibility - and until I see something confirmed there - as many of my reports eventually have been - the MSM is still the standard you should use for near absolute certainty.

As a result of some info since my last post, I can't fit everything into one, or perhaps even two posts - more will be coming tonight.

I've been troubled at seeing so much information coming out that appears to want to shift the focus off of the boys and Aruba. The latest report I received, again, from someone who has been reliable in the past, states that an amateur photographer gave a member of the press a picture taken recently on a yacht suggesting it resembled Natalee. The picture was said to have also been passed onto authorities. I can believe that this report is true, so far as it goes - I do not believe that an investigation will reveal it to be Natalee Holloway. These are just some of the many confusing things going on behind the scenes, sometimes coming from people that might have an agenda not always apparent, or readily understood.

One troubling item was hearing that when some requested that police patrol and barricade an area that came up in yesterday's news - it has been said that the police responded they "didn't have the time." Contrast that with other sources assuring me that the Aruban government wants to do everything possible to resolve this case, up and including now going back to Dutch authorities to request participation by the NRD (National Recherche Dienst sp?) - reportedly a Dutch national investigative unit.

While tensions seem to constantly ebb and flow in this case, they were flowing very strongly under the surface in Aruba today. One item that has been being kicked around for some time is how island politics might enter into all this.

Just as an example, the Aruban Prime Minister and the Aruban Attorney general are from two different parties and elections are said to be coming up soon. As also mentioned days ago in a previosu post, there are several political parties on the island.

Situations similar to the above has led to at least some speculation that a an individual looking for the upperhand politically might have an agenda they view more important than the rescue or recovery of one American girl. For now, that's just some of the talk I am hearing behind the scenes, of course.
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« Reply #787 on: June 28, 2005, 08:07:15 PM »

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I just saw an EXCLUSIVE interview with Paul and Anita van der Sloot on Dutch television! Some interesting details...

- Paul van der Sloot is NOT a suspect anymore; he doesn't want the Dutch media to call him "Paul van der S.", he wants them to use his full last name.
- Paul doesn't want to see his family as the victim. Natalee's family is the victim. He hopes Natalee will be found.
- Anita thinks Natalee is still alive
- On why he was arrested: Paul told the POLICE that he picked up Joran at the Mc Donald's @11PM. But according to Natalee's family the first time they met Paul, Paul said he picked up Joran @4AM. There's also a version that says Paul picked up Joran AND Natalee @4AM. Not true, according to Paul. Natalee's family must misinterpretated his words.
- Natalee's family arrived in Aruba, went to the police office immediately. At 2AM, Paul was sleeping, Natalee's family went to the house of the Van der Sloots. Natalee's mother wants to speak with Joran. But Joran was not home (Paul didn't know that), he was at the casino. Father called son at his mobile. At 3AM Joran was home; Natalee's family interrogated him. Paul told him not to tell them the details, because he was not sure of their "status"/who they were. "You should tell the police what happened".
- Joran also lied to his parents (Holiday Inn story), according to Paul. But now they can explain the reason why he made up the Holiday Inn story, because he was "in panic", etc.
- Joran had sex with Natalee in the car, according to Paul ("vrijen").
- Joran met Natalee at the Holiday Inn. Joran was playing poker ("Free Poker tournament", or something). Natalee invited him to go to Carlos and Charlie's. Joran first didn't want to go.
- Paul IS a judge. A temporary judge. He knows the authorities very well. Paul van Straaten, Marianne Croes. It was very strange to see how his friends/ex-collegues arrested him.
- Paul admits his son is in big trouble, because he made up that Holiday Inn-story.
- Paul first had the idea that he convinced Natalee's mother that his family is not the "key".
- Paul first didn't want to do interviews, because he thinks the most important thing is to find Natalee. His family's problem is just a "side-issue". But now he feels he HAS to say something, because his name is in the American media all the time. He doesn't like the whol American media circus. He thinks the main-issue should be finding Natalee and finding the truth.
- Eh...I think that's a short summary of what he and Anita said in front of Nova cameras....


Thank-you very much NL.  It may not be the popular opinion here but I do not believe that PVDS did anything wrong , I wish them well and will pray for both families.
Until actual facts and not rumours and speculation, I will not condemn anyone ofcourse even then it would be against my religion, I would just ask that be justice be done .
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« Reply #788 on: June 28, 2005, 08:07:17 PM »

[/b]OK, arubagirl's statement discounts what the brothers have been saying, and that is HUGE..but let me ask this..didnt BHT say that she felt for sure that Natalee had been there that night? At the VDS home?
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« Reply #789 on: June 28, 2005, 08:07:51 PM »

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Somebody else take a look/see, please.

Go to this site (Locoman’s Albums)
http://connect.tickle.com/photo/index.html?albumid=KKtp.FfMPDg-WBVi
Click on the second album (Freddy  & Friends)
Look at the 5rh and 6th pictures, notice the blond-haired man in the white LaCoste shirt.

Has anyone come across him on other sites, know who he is?  It crossed my mind that maybe he could be Lorenzo?  I enlarged the shot.  Some likeness to PSVD, imho.


Then look at the 7th picture.
Does that girl look something like Natalee, more tan, less blond, less eyeliner, but the same vibrant smile?  She does to me.  Wondering could she be the American girlfriend who dumped Joran.

These are pictures dated back in 2004.


The blond guy is pictured on the younger brothers site.

Something to do with "good times at the Marriot".

I could be wrong, but I think that's Joran's friend Jaime.
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« Reply #790 on: June 28, 2005, 08:07:54 PM »

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Can I ask a question. If somebody told me that they saw the brothers doing something suspicious but not illegal in and of itself, should I tell the cops? Even though a month has passed. I want to emphasize that I did not see it, but it was told to me. I assumed that this person told the cops, but turns out that that didn't happen.


arubagirl,

Provided the disclosure of such information can, in no way, tie back to you, I would strongly suggest sharing what you know with the proper authorities.

I might even advocate going as far as placing the call from a pay phone.
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« Reply #791 on: June 28, 2005, 08:08:04 PM »

http://www.assmotion.com/photos%20arubadag%20after%20party/imagepages/image51.html

Look whos picture got snapped at the local rave..
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« Reply #792 on: June 28, 2005, 08:08:30 PM »

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What are your thoughts about emailing Natalee's family, and perhaps Greta VS?


Do you ever wonder (I do) if those who come here sometimes who know Natalee, relay some of the info posted here back to the family? I would, if I knew them...Just a thought. Then again it's very hard to sit her for a while and keep up with all these posts, I can't do it, I miss a lot. I am not going to sit on my *ss at a computer all day but I come here for the news.  Smile
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« Reply #793 on: June 28, 2005, 08:08:32 PM »

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Somebody saw the car of the brothers (the person is very familiar with the car, sees it almost daily, saw the brothers on the road at two am, going TO the direction of Montanja.


I'm going to call my cousin and let her know. She's a cop. And no, that's not the reason why I'm so gung-ho about defending the cops from corruption accusations. We're not that close.


Pass the info along if you think it might be helpful, especially since the reports of the boys passing lie detector tests except in relation to when they last saw Natalee, and where. I don't think you are gung ho about defending Aruba from the corruption/conspiracy allegations, there are a lot of dumb accusations being tossed at Aruba by people who are being ignorant.

The only thing I myself am wondering at all (You don't have to defend this etc) is why the Texas searchers are saying the DUTCH (not Aruban) media was hampering their search efforts by throwing rocks at them in the water and heckling them etc. OTOH, the US media was chasing around people and banging on people's doors and yelling at people. Any reasonable person can see that it's a circus down there and Americans are doing it too.

ArubaGirl, I know why you want to defend Aruba, but just ignore the dummies, you don;t owe answers to any trolls. Thanks for being so helpful to the people who aren't bothering you (or hopefully aren't bothering you!)

People should back off on the criticism of Aruba. While it is not Natalee or the Holloways' fault, it is not ARUBA's fault either! Do people not realize how often this happens in our own USA backyard?? We have a lot of crime! A lot of unsolved missing persons cases. Shoot, sadly, look at the Kristin SMart case..police think they are sure who did it but they can't pin the guy down so he's been walking free and Kristin has not been found and it has been YEARS.

I keep saying this:
U.S. CANNOT THROW STONES AT ARUBA!!

We can't, we have no place to, and all it does is rightfully alienate those who are HELPING to try and solve this case.



Like I said in several posts....nobody has come forward...which tells me this is not a regular type of crime....it is unique to these people.
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« Reply #794 on: June 28, 2005, 08:08:33 PM »

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 Tue Jun 28, 2005 3:45 pm Hey Kerin et al...have not had time to get up to date and am going to work soon.  Here is what I can add.

I just got off phone with Mickey John.
Greta was at his house today and he may be on tonight.
I asked him if deepak told him/said "I never shoulda lef her w/Joran"
HE SAID NO _ NEVER.
Deepak did say to him that he and Saish dropped NH and Joran off at the Marriot afer he lighthouse.  Then Deepak said he and Satish went home.
The whole thing he said about Holiday Inn was a lie that the VDS "family"
made up and asked Deepak and Satish to agree to.  As far as what Deepak meant by the VDS "family" he doesn't know if it includes "Tom Dick or Harry" to quote Mickey John.  Also Mickey did believe that Deepak was telling truth.  Deepak was sorry to have supported the family lie as it landed him in jail.

I may miss show..KERIN if u see it let me know? Thanx


FOM  I assume you are friends with Mickey John?  What he is tellling you is more fact than Fiction (what people want to hear now)?

He had to agree to do this before they met with Nat's family. They took them (and the police????  any body know if police went?) to the HI.

If JVDS was "panicked" why would Deepak have to agree to the HI story?

I just wish the 3 of them would ask for a polygraph.  If they are telling the truth Lord help them for what they have done.

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« Reply #795 on: June 28, 2005, 08:08:44 PM »

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Can I ask a question. If somebody told me that they saw the brothers doing something suspicious but not illegal in and of itself, should I tell the cops? Even though a month has passed. I want to emphasize that I did not see it, but it was told to me. I assumed that this person told the cops, but turns out that that didn't happen.
AG... absolutely YES!  Exclamation


lol, she might be taken into custody if she does!
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« Reply #796 on: June 28, 2005, 08:09:20 PM »

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Quote from: "arubagirl"
Somebody saw the car of the brothers (the person is very familiar with the car, sees it almost daily, saw the brothers on the road at two am, going TO the direction of Montanja.


I'm going to call my cousin and let her know. She's a cop. And no, that's not the reason why I'm so gung-ho about defending the cops from corruption accusations. We're not that close.


Good evening arubagirl,

What are your thoughts about emailing Natalee's family, and perhaps Greta VS?



I personally think you tell the authorities....I just don't think it's right not to.  If she tells a reporter or the family then its 3rd hand information...more diluted....it might not be paid attention to.
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« Reply #797 on: June 28, 2005, 08:10:03 PM »

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Can I ask a question. If somebody told me that they saw the brothers doing something suspicious but not illegal in and of itself, should I tell the cops? Even though a month has passed. I want to emphasize that I did not see it, but it was told to me. I assumed that this person told the cops, but turns out that that didn't happen.


That would be a good question that should be asked of the brothers and get their answer...Some way to get the information to te LE without getting involved if that person did not want to get involved...

Maybe the LE will see this posting and just ASK the brothers about it,,,
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« Reply #798 on: June 28, 2005, 08:10:24 PM »

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Quote from: "arubagirl"
Somebody saw the car of the brothers (the person is very familiar with the car, sees it almost daily, saw the brothers on the road at two am, going TO the direction of Montanja.


I'm going to call my cousin and let her know. She's a cop. And no, that's not the reason why I'm so gung-ho about defending the cops from corruption accusations. We're not that close.


Good evening arubagirl,

What are your thoughts about emailing Natalee's family, and perhaps Greta VS?


Very good idea.
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« Reply #799 on: June 28, 2005, 08:10:30 PM »

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Can I ask a question. If somebody told me that they saw the brothers doing something suspicious but not illegal in and of itself, should I tell the cops? Even though a month has passed. I want to emphasize that I did not see it, but it was told to me. I assumed that this person told the cops, but turns out that that didn't happen.


arubagirl, you have several choices for reporting that information:

1. The FBI has a phone-in number for any and all information.
2. Your authorities
3. Since Tom got interviewed by Fox, he could give you guidance (tom@scaredmonkeys.com)
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