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« Reply #200 on: June 28, 2005, 01:47:04 PM »

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With Natalee, another American girl, he likely transferred that abandonment rage upon her.


I wonder what the former American girlfriend looks like, if she resembles Natalee at all?  Far-fetched maybe, but if they do look alike he could have taken Natalee's rejection and another rejection by a past girlfriend that left him.

Just thinking out loud!!!
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« Reply #201 on: June 28, 2005, 01:47:04 PM »

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I do not post much in here. But it is rather unbelievable how this case attract so much people. It is also unbelievable how can young life "dissappear" in such way.

Lot of theories were presented in this forum, however I did not notice one i believe rather important issue, which in cas of jorans involvement may play quite significant role.

I am from Europe and i can tell how young people got set against America after events in yugoslavia and recently in Iraq. It may seem plain, but I have seen young americans getting into the fight with young people in russia and I am sure some accidents of this type might have happened all around Europe. After reading dan Riehl's story of Jorans fight with american guy in local restaurant sometime in winter, squarrel preceding the dissapearance of Natalee with some classmates of Natalee, and also some comments of jorans father regarding to "this is not america" there is something telling me that this guy have these antiamerican issues. In young guys psychology this may serve as an "excuse" to whatever he did. It's kind of scary, but all his arogant behavior towards nat' mom points at it.

On the other hand, all such conversation may end up in terrible shame if joran is proven innocent. However, nothing yet points to that so I just wanted to add some comments.


This is my thought.  I appreciated your perspective here.  The impression I get and I was thinking about this this morning is that Joran may certainly have some sort of hostility within him where his physical actions against others are an indication of his disproval of others or an attempt to control them.


I think the original poster has hit on one possible way someone like Joran might "rationalize" his actions (if indeed he did what I think he did). But it Joran were a true sociopath, he wouldn't need ANY reason. And that is the scary part. It could just as easily have been a Dutch girl, or a Venezuelan, or Colombian girl. And the results would have been the same.


I believe that it may not be that hard to find out what was his real attitude towards this issue. Usually people talk often about the things they did not agree with or hate. However, it would require a good cautious interview of his friends.


I don't think his friends are going to say a word that might bring Joran under any more suspicion. I think that a "code of silence," is in effect, right now, and will continue for the duration of this investigation.
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« Reply #202 on: June 28, 2005, 01:47:20 PM »

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Read the news , no hairs found of holloway in the car of deepak. Very suspicious. Obviously cleaned very well . The more I think of it the more it appears to be a "mickey mouse" investigation.

Do not think that sending specialists from the Netherlands is going to bring up anything new.

Wonder where I would start  or where others would start searching for evidence when on Aruba.



...do we know for absolute certain that she left C&C's with those
3 in Deepaks car?... has that been confirmed?
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« Reply #203 on: June 28, 2005, 01:49:43 PM »

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Hi Guys,

Read the news , no hairs found of holloway in the car of deepak. Very suspicious. Obviously cleaned very well . The more I think of it the more it appears to be a "mickey mouse" investigation.

Do not think that sending specialists from the Netherlands is going to bring up anything new.

Wonder where I would start  or where others would start searching for evidence when on Aruba.



...do we know for absolute certain that she left C&C's with those
3 in Deepaks car?... has that been confirmed?


As I recall they have said that she did leave with them.  Yes I know that they have lied, that's been stated several times.  But, if she didn't get into the car with them, why would they put themselves in a position saying that she did/
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« Reply #204 on: June 28, 2005, 01:50:20 PM »

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Compananzi, so what do you think of the story of the two drug dealers by the HI? I remember one of the chaperones saying they complained to HI staff that the drug dealers were harassing the MB students.


It would not hurt to investigate, as a curious monkey I d say I d like to know know what they are selling, how much, what is the profit margin, who is there distributor, did they see Natalee, where do they live? Who is the American as the radio announcer tried to verbalize, who is the Chaparone what spoke with them, did they feel the Chaparone was bringing on the heat?  What drugs do they sell, did they sell any to Joran, Kalpoes, the MB students?  ..well that is just to few quick questions in my mind.
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« Reply #205 on: June 28, 2005, 01:52:12 PM »

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Edmond of Top 95.1...  He reports that the tips of 2 men taking Natalee by force is not being followed up?  Reports of Hotel employee is also confirming this but the LE is not following up.  The theory of possible a second party sequestering Nat is possible. Another talker is mentioned perhaps a tag team of a second may have taken Nat.  Counter argument said that he can't believe a 17 yr would have enough life experience to have a well thoughout crime.  He does not believe Joran has the character to pull it off.

I am glad they are talking about the lack of followup on these things.  That's a start.
Here I go again:
Maid screaming
Girl stuggling with two men
A door that opens onto the beach
Purse and money in hotel room
The mysterious Lorenzo with likely ties to organized crime/porn production

Dr. Seuss' lines keep going through my head:
"This mess is so big and so deep and so tall,
I cannot pick it up, oh no not at all!"

For my money, there was big time help involved in this cover-up.  

Late last night after I'd gone to bed, Wonderwoman sent me these links:
http://www.mrpinkproductions.com/
http://www.guide2paradise.com/
Just the most vile commodification of women.  It wouldn't be there if there weren't a market for it. Somehow I think this sort of business fits into the missing puzzle pieces.

Another link someone sent yesterday:
 http://photos.tickle.com/q2e-9L7lZfx7fs.o
"Every picture tells a story, story"

Yuck.  Yuck.  Yuck.

More Yuck:  
Richard Scrushy is found innocent on all charges in his HealthSouth fraud trial.
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« Reply #206 on: June 28, 2005, 01:53:21 PM »

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While I can't wait to see the video footage of the monkey knocking Greta on her ass, I thought the two most interesting e-mails from her site were these:

E-mail No. 2

Paul van der Sloot knows the chief of police and the head prosecutor far too well for them to do their jobs with anything approaching due diligence. Van der Sloot no doubt knows things about them that they would not want exposed. I suspect even the judge that turned him loose is concerned that Van der Sloot might expose the dirt on the Aruban justice system if they burn him or his son. Aruba is an in-grown island nation and Van der Sloot is part of the Aruban elite. There will be no justice for Natalee until Paul van der Sloot's hold over the prosecution team (including the police) is exposed to the public in the Netherlands. Maybe then they will take charge.
Just my opinion.
Cedric Jones


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Greta,
I am a private investigator and wilderness crime scene investigation is my forte. I have been following this case on your show since the beginning. Although you can't report everything in one hour, there are some aspects of the search that seem to be missing. Searching the waters and the land areas can be only a portion of what needs to be searched. The following are some of my questions:
1. Have the storm water drainage pipes, street gutters and manholes been checked? If not, a confined space search team needs to get in there and look.
2. Have searchers checked burned debris on or around the beach and Van der Sloot home? If not they should check. Buttons and zippers don't always burn, evidence of clothing could be found even if it was burned.
3. Did the investigators check the handles of shovels and tools that belong to Van der Sloot? If not, they need to. These items, when used to bury or otherwise dispose of a body contain blood or body fluid from the victim, transferred from the suspect's hands.
There are many other questions, but with all the typical areas searched already, these three questions when answered may find Natalee.
Robert Birch
Dorothy, NJ
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« Reply #207 on: June 28, 2005, 01:53:47 PM »

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With Natalee, another American girl, he likely transferred that abandonment rage upon her.


I wonder what the former American girlfriend looks like, if she resembles Natalee at all?  Far-fetched maybe, but if they do look alike he could have taken Natalee's rejection and another rejection by a past girlfriend that left him.

Just thinking out loud!!!


    That was what Ted Bundy did: kidnapped, raped, tortured, and killed young women who physically resembled the young woman who'd rejected him.
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« Reply #208 on: June 28, 2005, 01:54:02 PM »

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Hi Guys,

Read the news , no hairs found of holloway in the car of deepak. Very suspicious. Obviously cleaned very well . The more I think of it the more it appears to be a "mickey mouse" investigation.

Do not think that sending specialists from the Netherlands is going to bring up anything new.

Wonder where I would start  or where others would start searching for evidence when on Aruba.



...do we know for absolute certain that she left C&C's with those
3 in Deepaks car?... has that been confirmed?


Yeah. I'm afraid we know that for certain. And that's why it is so curious that Deepak gave his car such a thorough cleaning. Why? We already knew that Natalee was in that car. So there was no reason to remove every trace. Every trace.
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« Reply #209 on: June 28, 2005, 01:55:39 PM »

We have to remember that we don't know what ALL evidence the Prosecutor's Office has. Mariaine Croes always has that Cheshire Cat, "I've Got A Secret" look about her that makes you think that they know FAR more than they are telling.

I am not too worried about the 60-day extension coming through. They would be absolute IDIOTS to let those guys go. THEN you would see a "backlash for sure"...AGAINST Aruba.
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« Reply #210 on: June 28, 2005, 01:56:21 PM »

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Next Monday will be very important.
That is the next time the "Judge of Intsruction" will have to determine if there is enough evidence to hold any or all of the boys.
After that the next time is 60 days.

That is what Marianne Croes, the Aruban Prosecution spokeswoman, said last night on Greta.
Did you ever notice Marianne never really says anything, but she is so damn cute you don't really care?

After the PVDS release by this judge it seems without further evidence to move the case along he would not be likely to hold them.

With it being the US 4th of July. The release would not get much notice in the US press. I am sure all of the Fox folks will be back in the US for the holiday. Even Greta alluded to the "same old same old" when talking to Beth Holloway last night. I think Greta is preparing her exit strategy.




LOLOL..aint that the truth..she talks in circles, tries to edit herself, and never really says anything new..but she is as cute as a button and youre like, "aww, well, thats ok...i like her anyways"...I wish I were that cute...lol


I would just like to say for a lot of us is that I think one of the primary reasons we are intrerrested in the case as we recognize this person Natalee as being someone that represents the better parts of ourselves and to have her gone missing or dead brings sadness to the hearts of so many individuals.  It's not just about her good grades or Aruba, the differences in judicial systems,  how pretty she is, things like that....it's about the history of her character, her concern for others, trustworthyness, dependability and such virtues.  JMO
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« Reply #211 on: June 28, 2005, 01:57:51 PM »

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Just heard them on Fox saying Chief of Police is Joran's godfather.


Joran is almost 18 years old.  

The van der Sloots have not been living in Aruba nearly that long.

Unless customs are different there, a child's godparents are named at birth.

Just how long do Paulus and the police commissioner know one another?

Is the police commissioner also Dutch?

Did they first become best friends in Holland, where Joran was born?


Good questions!  Do you think perhaps we could be having another one of those "misinterpretations" of information?  Perhaps the police commissioner's godfather to the younger van der Sloot, Sebastian, who WAS born in Aruba?  Just musing.
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« Reply #212 on: June 28, 2005, 02:00:07 PM »

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While I can't wait to see the video footage of the monkey knocking Greta on her ass, I thought the two most interesting e-mails from her site were these:

E-mail No. 4

Greta,
I am a private investigator and wilderness crime scene investigation is my forte. I have been following this case on your show since the beginning. Although you can't report everything in one hour, there are some aspects of the search that seem to be missing. Searching the waters and the land areas can be only a portion of what needs to be searched. The following are some of my questions:
1. Have the storm water drainage pipes, street gutters and manholes been checked? If not, a confined space search team needs to get in there and look.
2. Have searchers checked burned debris on or around the beach and Van der Sloot home? If not they should check. Buttons and zippers don't always burn, evidence of clothing could be found even if it was burned.
3. Did the investigators check the handles of shovels and tools that belong to Van der Sloot? If not, they need to. These items, when used to bury or otherwise dispose of a body contain blood or body fluid from the victim, transferred from the suspect's hands.
There are many other questions, but with all the typical areas searched already, these three questions when answered may find Natalee.
Robert Birch
Dorothy, NJ


Scott, I like the way you think, I just mentioned it last night to my friend, I wonder if they have (the polis that is) checked all places the VDS and Kalpoes have access to, for instance freezer lockers?  I would think quick decomposition being a problem there and a limited time to hide a body, a freezer would be an ideal place. I dont mean to sound grotesque, but that would give someone (a third party) time to dispose of it later without notice.  These people are slick, if they have hid a body this long.
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« Reply #213 on: June 28, 2005, 02:02:02 PM »

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Edmond keeps thinking the 2 strangers may have contacted the Chaparone, perhaps the drug dealers near Holiday Inn.  He states that strange occurences was going on near HI, but police is not following leads.  His counter associate, is asking what happened afterwards, their motives etc. .. He feels there is a probably some kinda of fallacy that may have come out already.  What if Joran does not know anymore, he mentioned a girl being hysterics.. but Ed says that Hotel workers say that a girl was taken away.  He states people that knows need to take courage to give tips.
You bet they are scared.  I bet a lot of people involved are scared.  Maybe even Joran.  Can't help wondering if he wasn't suckered into something way, way over his head, not just with Natalee, but for at least the past year in his life.  All those party pics.  The reputed porn movie.  Drugs.  Gambling.  Heads in the graveyard.  Not a very healthy world.  Yep, I bet the hotel workers are scared to speak.
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« Reply #214 on: June 28, 2005, 02:04:37 PM »

Anyone cares joining me to aruba , to do some monkey bussiness
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« Reply #215 on: June 28, 2005, 02:05:12 PM »

Reporter on Fox said that SC and PVDS are STILL considered suspects..even though they have been released. Also..Dutch Marines will be helping with the search and Mr Miller is greatful for the help.
  SC and PVDS may be out of jail.. BUT I betcha they are being watched like hawks.
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« Reply #216 on: June 28, 2005, 02:07:03 PM »

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Is Joran's godfather by any chance lefthanded?   no I am not joking. Confused


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I'll be reading with interest to see where this leads, seriously.



yes, I know.  It just was something that struck me funny about those cryptic posts.

on another post:

Jeremy Edward Brown was a 2005 graduate of MB.    I had not heard anything about him being missing.
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« Reply #217 on: June 28, 2005, 02:08:16 PM »

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Just heard them on Fox saying Chief of Police is Joran's godfather.


Godfather in the legal sense? As in, something happens to his parents while he's a minor, this man would take care of him?

Godfather in the symbolic sense, like an honorary special place in his life?

Or godfather in the religious sense, like a Catholic sponsor?--> This wouldn't make sense given that Joran's tickle profile said for religion: "None...sowwy" (exact quote)
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« Reply #218 on: June 28, 2005, 02:09:43 PM »

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I am from Europe and i can tell how young people got set against America after events in yugoslavia and recently in Iraq. It may seem plain, but I have seen young americans getting into the fight with young people in russia and I am sure some accidents of this type might have happened all around Europe. After reading dan Riehl's story of Jorans fight with american guy in local restaurant sometime in winter, squarrel preceding the dissapearance of Natalee with some classmates of Natalee, and also some comments of jorans father regarding to "this is not america" there is something telling me that this guy have these antiamerican issues. In young guys psychology this may serve as an "excuse" to whatever he did. It's kind of scary, but all his arogant behavior towards nat' mom points at it.



I concur with this assessment based on the interview Greta van Susteren conducted with Anita and Paulus van der Sloot.

Here is the relevant excerpt:

VAN SUSTEREN: Girlfriends?

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, of course. I mean, there were two girlfriends in his life that he had a longer relationship with. One was an American girl, who left, who was part of the school, and she just sent an e-mail totally upset because she finished the relationship and she thought that Joran was too sweet, she needed a stronger man.

Why would a mother say something in an interview aired worldwide, that would be most embarrassing and humiliating to her son?

Why say, in a defensive manner, 'Yes, of course', and then immediately proceed to correct herself by saying, 'I mean...' ?

In a homophopic society like Aruba, where any absence of masculinity amongst men is denigrated and frowned upon, it is reasonable to conclude that Joran, through societal pressure, overcompensated for his perceived lack of manhood by preying upon vulnerable women whom were either extremely intoxicated, drugged or not mature enough to recognize his motive, like the 13-year old 7th grade East Asian girl he dated this past year.

With Natalee, another American girl, he likely transferred that abandonment rage upon her.

There is also reason to believe this was not an isolated or first incident.

Why would Deepak, a friend of Joran's, say that he "should have never left the girl alone with the Dutch boy", unless Deepak has knowledge or reason to believe that Joran is dangerous or that Natalee wouldn't be safe with him because he has a violent past with women?


I never heard anything about deepak sayin that or "sellin out" his friend..if true..that is very interesting..i was wonderin...why we havent heard much bout the brothers at all.......anyone hear new info bout them?


Kelly,

Mickey John, the framed black security guard, said in an interview after being released, that Deepak had admitted this to him while they were in jail together.
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« Reply #219 on: June 28, 2005, 02:10:34 PM »

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Reporter on Fox said that SC and PVDS are STILL considered suspects..even though they have been released. Also..Dutch Marines will be helping with the search and Mr Miller is greatful for the help.
  SC and PVDS may be out of jail.. BUT I betcha they are being watched like hawks.


If they were smart, they would be monitoring their every move and their converstaions....Not sure if its actually legal, but think they mentioned that theydid it to the brothers and joran
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