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cancon
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June 28, 2005, 05:19:04 PM »
someone, I disagree to an extent
I look at it this way, what if Natalee had disappeared in Mountainbrook Alabama
you can be sure all her male friends could be potential suspects and all the people at that bar would be thoroughly questioned and investigated by the cops
it is fair game
what if we find out the Holloways or the friends have been hiding something, something significant in relation to this case
then they'd be no better than PDVS wouldn't they?
sometimes truth is way stranger than fiction
look at the bugged eye Runaway Bride, look at the Mark Hacking case - yeah the husband is always the first suspect but man, who'd believe anyone would make up that kind of elaborate double life, no wonder he cracked and killed his wife
because how would killing his wife in any way lessen the fact his lies were all exposed, a thinking person would realize killing her would just expose your lies to a wider audience.....
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June 28, 2005, 05:19:58 PM »
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Quote from: "HannieC"
Anybody interested in the interview the vds gave or not? Just asking so I can and try to translate some of it....
Yes Ma'am, pls.
hi hannie, did you post it in dutch? i notice they are now putting dutch up on tha main page.
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June 28, 2005, 05:20:07 PM »
The jails would be full, because many young people drink underage, drive underage and gamble underage.
Okay, the driving underage....maybe not so much as the other two, but the drinking and the gambling.... There is no systematic checking.
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June 28, 2005, 05:20:44 PM »
and speaking of the runaway bride, did you notice we never found out about her other incidences of similar behaviour until after she was exposed.........
her family is sitting there boohooing on camera meanwhile they knew she has this kind of history......
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June 28, 2005, 05:21:39 PM »
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and speaking of the runaway bride, did you notice we never found out about her other incidences of similar behaviour until after she was exposed.........
her family is sitting there boohooing on camera meanwhile they knew she has this kind of history......
Yup.
Run John run.
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June 28, 2005, 05:22:23 PM »
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- Joran had sex with Natalee in the car, according to Paul ("vrijen").
I thought "vrijen" was a word which could mean anything from kissing to actual sex. Did he specify in english that it was intercourse?
I've heard that Joran did specify this, which is believed by many as a means to explain away rape charges if there is forensic evidence found.
But if "vrijen" was the only word used, do we know Joran actually said this?
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June 28, 2005, 05:22:47 PM »
Okay...I'm confused.
Each time the amigos have gone before the judge, the prosecutor has presented a little bit more evidence against them/re their involvement in this case....according to M. Croes, that's what it takes to hold them.
Now on Monday, all of a sudden, with no OTHER suspects at this point, anyway, that evidence becomes what? Much ado about nothing? It goes "poof" and disappears? It suddenly on Sunday night becomes unbelievable, in the literal sense?
I don't see how at that point they can be released unless they are going to go down a different path, with different suspects...and I just don't see that happening.
This whole thing is just weird - Steve Croes "apparently" lied about the others, not knowing they had changed the script. Yet he too is out, and said he will have no consequences for his tale.
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June 28, 2005, 05:22:58 PM »
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Hi Arubagirl! Got a question for you...do you know who this person is?
http://www.mrpinkproductions.com/worldofpink.htm
I think this is Mr Pink:
http://www.letsgoredwings.com/page2.html
WOW... if I was a dog then that is a HIT
I hate to think about what kinds of skanky viruses and spyware are getting installed onto your PCs everytime someone clicks on one of Pink's links.
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June 28, 2005, 05:23:33 PM »
Quote from: "Gerben aka Pays Bas"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Aruba Girl.. first I want to thank you for the great job you have done!!
second.. somewhere along the line it was mentioned that truth serum is legal in Aruba? SOmeone that couldnt be on the forum long wanted me to ask if I saw you on!! Is that true?? Is it Legal??
Absolutely not!
Thank you Gerben..! Hope I didnt rattle cages here.. but I was asked to ask this question !! Thanks again!
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June 28, 2005, 05:24:37 PM »
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I just saw an EXCLUSIVE interview with Paul and Anita van der Sloot on Dutch television! Some interesting details...
- Paul van der Sloot is NOT a suspect anymore; he doesn't want the Dutch media to call him "Paul van der S.", he wants them to use his full last name.
- Paul doesn't want to see his family as the victim. Natalee's family is the victim. He hopes Natalee will be found.
- Anita thinks Natalee is still alive
- On why he was arrested: Paul told the POLICE that he picked up Joran at the Mc Donald's @11PM. But according to Natalee's family the first time they met Paul, Paul said he picked up Joran @4AM. There's also a version that says Paul picked up Joran AND Natalee @4AM. Not true, according to Paul. Natalee's family must misinterpretated his words.
- Natalee's family arrived in Aruba, went to the police office immediately. At 2AM, Paul was sleeping, Natalee's family went to the house of the Van der Sloots. Natalee's mother wants to speak with Joran. But Joran was not home (Paul didn't know that), he was at the casino. Father called son at his mobile. At 3AM Joran was home; Natalee's family interrogated him. Paul told him not to tell them the details, because he was not sure of their "status"/who they were. "You should tell the police what happened".
- Joran also lied to his parents (Holiday Inn story), according to Paul. But now they can explain the reason why he made up the Holiday Inn story, because he was "in panic", etc.
- Joran had sex with Natalee in the car, according to Paul ("vrijen").
- Joran met Natalee at the Holiday Inn. Joran was playing poker ("Free Poker tournament", or something). Natalee invited him to go to Carlos and Charlie's. Joran first didn't want to go.
- Paul IS a judge. A temporary judge. He knows the authorities very well. Paul van Straaten, Marianne Croes. It was very strange to see how his friends/ex-collegues arrested him.
- Paul admits his son is in big trouble, because he made up that Holiday Inn-story.
- Paul first had the idea that he convinced Natalee's mother that his family is not the "key".
- Paul first didn't want to do interviews, because he thinks the most important thing is to find Natalee. His family's problem is just a "side-issue". But now he feels he HAS to say something, because his name is in the American media all the time. He doesn't like the whol American media circus. He thinks the main-issue should be finding Natalee and finding the truth.
- Eh...I think that's a short summary of what he and Anita said in front of Nova cameras....
NL, this is great. Is there a NOVA link for the Dutch speakers?
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Kat: I hate to think about what kinds of skanky viruses and spyware are getting installed onto your PCs everytime someone clicks on one of Pink's links
I agree...if you click those links, better run it right away. MalWare is more like it...[/quote]
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June 28, 2005, 05:26:28 PM »
Quote from: "cancon"
someone, I disagree to an extent
I look at it this way, what if Natalee had disappeared in Mountainbrook Alabama
you can be sure all her male friends could be potential suspects and all the people at that bar would be thoroughly questioned and investigated by the cops
it is fair game
what if we find out the Holloways or the friends have been hiding something, something significant in relation to this case
then they'd be no better than PDVS wouldn't they?
sometimes truth is way stranger than fiction
look at the bugged eye Runaway Bride, look at the Mark Hacking case - yeah the husband is always the first suspect but man, who'd believe anyone would make up that kind of elaborate double life, no wonder he cracked and killed his wife
because how would killing his wife in any way lessen the fact his lies were all exposed, a thinking person would realize killing her would just expose your lies to a wider audience.....
You said "what if WE find out." That is what I am trying to get across. What WE know means nothing. What the media knows means nothing. What the investigators know means everything.
ALL OF THE PEOPLE ON THE TRIP have spoken to authorities. Whether these individuals want to talk to US and the MEDIA is completely up to them. Yes, it is very aggravating to not know more...but just because we don't know everything that the authorities know doesn't mean we should imply people are hiding things. The people that have hidden evidence or changed stories were all taken in by the police.
Although this is a high interest case, we as the general public are not ENTITLED to any part of the case until people are charged and a trial is undergone.
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NL
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June 28, 2005, 05:28:01 PM »
Quote from: "PrayForNatalee"
Quote from: "NL"
- Joran had sex with Natalee in the car, according to Paul ("vrijen").
I thought "vrijen" was a word which could mean anything from kissing to actual sex. Did he specify in english that it was intercourse?
I've heard that Joran did specify this, which is believed by many as a means to explain away rape charges if there is forensic evidence found.
But if "vrijen" was the only word used, do we know Joran actually said this?
The interview was in Dutch. Paul only used the word "vrijen", but I think that's the same as "neuken"? if it was just kissing, Paul wouldn't have used the word "vrijen".
"Neuken" is not a word that a judge will use in public...
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Re: Joran's values apparently derived from his dad
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June 28, 2005, 05:28:02 PM »
Quote from: "bogey_blusey_chaston"
If the elder VDS knew of his underage childs shennanigans, and he did not seem to care, even though he worked in the law enforcement area... Then, he must be somewhat "connected" in the LE area. With that connection, who knows what papa VDS can "make disappear".
Ahhhh. Good point.
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thanks nl you`re a lot quicker then me....
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June 28, 2005, 05:28:50 PM »
In response to PVDS saying he is NOT a suspect anymore, the spokeswoman for the prosecutor's office made it very clear and was very emphatic last night that he most definately IS still a suspect. She was not so emphatic about SC.
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June 28, 2005, 05:28:58 PM »
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As far as Aruba is concerned, I have come to regard the term "reliable source" as an oxymoron of the HIGHEST order.
I hope more details will be forthcoming about the radar! That would indicate that removing Natalee from the island or putting her into the water would be very difficult. But one question...
WHO IS IN CONTROL OF THE RADAR SYSTEM...
It is probably a joint operation between NATO & DEA. I'm sure it covers most all boat and air traffic through the area.
Don't bet your life you'll ever see any radar data made public. I'm sure the authorities are asking for information for a specific time frame but they too will get little specific information...just enough to to their jobs.
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Quote from: "Kat"
Quote from: "boxopen"
Quote from: "clevfan1234"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Hi Arubagirl! Got a question for you...do you know who this person is?
http://www.mrpinkproductions.com/worldofpink.htm
I think this is Mr Pink:
http://www.letsgoredwings.com/page2.html
WOW... if I was a dog then that is a HIT
I hate to think about what kinds of skanky viruses and spyware are getting installed onto your PCs everytime someone clicks on one of Pink's links.
These two are apparently "clear" but that "doaruba.com" have a potential threat so it's unsafe to go there.
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Quote from: "NL"
Quote from: "PrayForNatalee"
Quote from: "NL"
- Joran had sex with Natalee in the car, according to Paul ("vrijen").
I thought "vrijen" was a word which could mean anything from kissing to actual sex. Did he specify in english that it was intercourse?
I've heard that Joran did specify this, which is believed by many as a means to explain away rape charges if there is forensic evidence found.
But if "vrijen" was the only word used, do we know Joran actually said this?
The interview was in Dutch. Paul only used the word "vrijen", but I think that's the same as "neuken"? if it was just kissing, Paul wouldn't have used the word "vrijen".
"Neuken" is not a word that a judge will use in public...
Is there a reasonably polite Dutch word for sexual intercourse?
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vrijen: 1 court, go out with, neck, go courting 2. make love source wolters nederlands engels
i am so glad the dutch press is on this story. the locals understand dutch press. maybe this will build a fire under the dutch govt.
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