RBN# 31 6/28/05 Tuesday

[PoorPaulaNNJ]

She would have had sex in the hotelroom she was sharing? Huh?

Yeah - HUH???

Everyone was out partying. Besides that, what about a code.......do not disturb sign. It doesn't make any sense. I know I wouldn't do that if I had a hotel room. I think they are saying sex because they are concerned if she's found, there will be DNA; and it works to smear the victim. Something we should be very familiar with in the U.S.

[absolut]

The vehicles were searched in the beginning because the kids liked the play in the cars...no one however searched the trunk.

to be honest I don't know if I would have opened up the trunk unless I knew what the boys habits were, if they have ever hidden in the trunk, if they knew how to get the trunk open, but if I knew Granny had a defective trunk lid, which was apparently the case, mmmmm

in which case then the parents shouldn't be ragging on the cops anymore than they should be blaming themselves, because the parents have the first best chance of saving those kids

We have whole threads dedicated to the story of the boys in NJ.

[wwizard]

Hello friends-you two know who you are.

this quote works for me when studying this quagmire:

"I wouldn't say YES, but I couldn't say NO. Would you say MAYBE? I MIGHT."
-Larry, Moe, and Curly

[~TAZ_MAN~]

Yeah, these Kalpoe bros are a true mystery to me. Doesnt sound like they had any fun at all that night.
they get to enjoy...

1) picking up Joren
2) taking Joren to a bar to p/u nat
3) 1/2 at bar?
4) chauffer Joren and Nat around the Isle (while they smooch).
5) drop Joren and Nat off
6) bugged for a ride at 3am?
7) bugged with another call even later?
 
nice nite boys. does Joren have pictures of them or something? And their reward? Prison.

This strikes me as a very important observation.  Perhaps Joran had promised them some other reward in return for them satisfying his mobility needs?

I can possibly lend a reason for the kalpoes tolerated this type of situation.  In alot of cases with guys there is usually one who is known for being able to "get all the women", a magnet so to speak,  this will entice other guys to be the tag a longs or followers in order to get the main guys rejects so to speak, or they would get the friends of the main guys prospect.    So it could possibly be the case they liked hanging around Joran for the simple fact of all the girls that he could attract.

[RB]

They say a picture tells a 1,000 words.

Well, if anyone saw the interview Greta conducted with the van der Sloots at their home, you would have seen an agonizing epic of anxiety, nervousness, discomfort and profuse sweating translated into every language known to mankind as guilt and deceit

First, let me say I am not on either side of this debate, as I do not know who is or isn't guilty.  I'd rather Natalee be found - then worry about the guilt.  

Not all nervousness, discomfort and sweating is translated into every known language as guilt and deceit.  That line, while perhaps not meant this way, is subjective and should have been interlaced with "may be" or "IMO".  People, learn to communicate effectively with each other on a messageboard and think twice about how you'll be perceived before you hit submit.  

I have been reading all the posts today - the level of disrepect for people whose opinions (or nationality) differ from poster to poster is appalling, and this will not continue.  It's time for consideration towards your fellow Monkey and his/her views, and them to you.

This board is not a chat room - your manners should be quite evident in your posts and relative to the topic at hand.  There are 100-300 of you on here at any given time; frankly we can't be everywhere at once and nor should we be expected to be.  It is time for the adults to "play nice."I expect this evening you will do as I've just stated, otherwise I assure you there will be bans, which will be unannounced and not warned, for 5 days for those of you insist on not showing some decency and understanding towards others.

[PoorPaulaNNJ]

Hello friends-you two know who you are.

this quote works for me when studying this quagmire:

"I wouldn't say YES, but I couldn't say NO. Would you say MAYBE? I MIGHT."
-Larry, Moe, and Curly

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
wwizard, you're words of wisdom just in the nick of time

[xcptnl]

Nancy Drew - this link is for you  

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160844,00.html

[friend of monkeys]

I feel bad for arubagirl having to answer so many stupid questions.

ME 2!!!
 
just catching up ....

[Loren]

Hello friends-you two know who you are.

this quote works for me when studying this quagmire:

"I wouldn't say YES, but I couldn't say NO. Would you say MAYBE? I MIGHT."
-Larry, Moe, and Curly

Hmmm...would those be the Prime Minister,Police Chief and DA of Aruba quoted there Wizz?

[la_cavalière]

One of the security guards is now saying that one of the Kalpoe brothers (Deepak I think) told him that Paul vdS helped the trio concoct the story about dropping Natalee at the HI.

Sorry if this is old news...

[blfit]

Did he say where they had sex?  I can't remember...[/quote]

Where has he ever said that they had sex?[/quote]

There you go...that's my point.  Has he ever confirmed a location?  The location would be key...I think.  If they were at the beach or at his house or in her hotel room....who knows, but what we ultimately need to know is where.

[bkhypnotic]

I also remember that the Kalpoes' mom said that Deepak said to her that he was upset because Joran and Natalee were "making love" in his car.  I thought the terminology was just a language issue, but it could indicate that Deepak has said that same thing as Joran as to what happened in the car.

[mordred]

I just saw the interview again.

PVS indeed said Joran and Natalee made love ("vrijen") in the car.

So you are sure he meant sex? .

PLEASE- for the 100th time, we have heard it from knowledgeble sources that the word 'vrijien' does not necessarily mean sex! It can mean making-out!.
Arubagirl, can you confirm?

[DT]

I also remember that the Kalpoes' mom said that Deepak said to her that he was upset because Joran and Natalee were "making love" in his car.  I thought the terminology was just a language issue, but it could indicate that Deepak has said that same thing as Joran as to what happened in the car.

I dont remember her using the words making love, but it was a while ago.  I think what she said was that the two were in the backseat making out and that Deepak told them if they wanted to make love to go get a hotel room or something.

[max]

Edited for pornographic content- ABSOLUT

this guy is from missouri, didn't i read somewhere that ms holloway moved to alabama 5 years ago from clinton missouri? saw an article in the clinton newspaper I think... from her best friend there writing about natalie. how beth twitty lived there.  food for thought!

[Onnimus]

Seriously!  The US would have cracked this case.or at least gotten something from thse kids..

They would? Amy Bradley...Rachel Cooke...Kristen Modaferri....Maura Murray......Kristin Smart.....Groene kids....etc etc etc.

The U.S. by FAR does not solve all our crime.

[nikkibnurse]

Monkeys, hello this evening..Can anyone be so kind as to tell me if there has been any new news concerning equuesearch and what they may or may not have been searching today? mUch thanks!!

[NL]

I just saw the interview again.

PVS indeed said Joran and Natalee made love ("vrijen") in the car.

So you are sure he meant sex?  I mean from what we have heard from the brothers statements they only kissed and fondled in the backseat.

No. I'm not sure. He said "vrijen".
"Vrijen" is the Dutch word for "kissing", but it's also the (polite) word for "having sex".
Maybe it's just kissing and touching each other...
But my opinion is: if he meant "kissing and touching", he wouldn't have used the word "vrijen".

But maybe he's not sure whether Joran had sex with Natalee or not. That's also possible.

[cancon]

boy you guys sure forget what it was like to be young and group dynamics

it seems very clear to me that Joran was the leader of the pack and the Kalpoe brothers were his loyal subjects, likely their reward was they got leftovers (ie left over chicks that Joran attracted) mind you that Satish fellow is handsome, but if  Joran was considered the big man around town in that age group, they would gain prestige by hanging out with him

and from what I observe of teenagers today and even from  what I remember as a teenager nothing odd about most of their behaviour that night except lying about what happened to Nat

and it also explains the reason the fools lied for him, Joran is the alpha male in the pack, they look up to him and he could talk them into lying for them, they may even believe Joran didn't nothing wrong if he told them that, they may wonder now........

[RIBoy]

I've seen some mentions of a "Beach Patrol"....I've searched and I haven't come to a clear understanding of what that is.

Is that a police type patrol?

Is that a hotel type patrol?

Were they around for well after the concert if they do in fact exist?

I don't see much talk about them.???