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Author Topic: George W. Bush Iraq Speech from Ft. Bragg (Discussion) 6/28  (Read 137559 times)
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« on: June 28, 2005, 07:09:56 PM »

This thread is to have a public discussion about the speech and the contents thereof.

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« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2005, 08:02:23 PM »

ok sorry

Am looking for the mission accomplished banner.....
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« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2005, 08:04:23 PM »

No banner, but it does look like the backdrop of a politcal convention.
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« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2005, 08:04:28 PM »

here we go, saddam and 911 he can't let that lie go
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« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2005, 08:05:55 PM »

I agree that he and the news needs to remind the country of 9/11. The evening news had a segment about suicide bombers on american soil.
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« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2005, 08:07:24 PM »

No, the sacrifice was NOT worth it.

But we broke it, we bought it.
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« Reply #6 on: June 28, 2005, 08:09:59 PM »

Wonder if he thinks Haliburton/KBR serving out of date food to our soldiers, not armoring their vehicles, not allowing Iraqis access to their own oil, accepting monies for rebuilding the electrical grid and water supply but not doing the work========to the tune of almost 1 billion tax dollars. One wonders why the Iragi'a aren't more angry since we saved them from saddam.

Oops there we go again another saddam 911 connection.

http://democrats.senate.gov/dpc/hearings/hearing22/jointreport.pdf
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« Reply #7 on: June 28, 2005, 08:12:03 PM »

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I agree that he and the news needs to remind the country of 9/11. The evening news had a segment about suicide bombers on american soil.


but 911 had nothing to do with Iraq----I was all for blowing the taliban, al-queda and afghanistan off the face of the earth, I cheered him on for that. But thisIraq issue was not about terrorism, however, IT IS NOW!
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« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2005, 08:19:26 PM »

Has anyone seen a transcript of the speech?  Normally, they post it on washingtonpost.com, but I haven't seen it...
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« Reply #9 on: June 28, 2005, 08:28:16 PM »

no I looked as well, perhaps in a little while.
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« Reply #10 on: June 28, 2005, 08:29:19 PM »

OMG! he is using this to recruit. I understand we have to make a stand, but we created the line in the sand that has only made us much less safer than we have ever been.
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« Reply #11 on: June 28, 2005, 08:32:00 PM »

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OMG! he is using this to recruit.


Ohhh yeah...the military is really suffering on new recruits at the moment, especially with what has happened with National Guardsmen dropping out of the service like flies.
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« Reply #12 on: June 28, 2005, 08:35:09 PM »

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OMG! he is using this to recruit.


Ohhh yeah...the military is really suffering on new recruits at the moment, especially with what has happened with National Guardsmen dropping out of the service like flies.


One of the problems with using the NG and Reservists as if they were active duty, but without the protections of being active duty. An example of the poor planning in the lead up to this war's execution. It was never anticipated we would still be there, remember flowers and kisses were supposed to meet our NG's and Reservists, not rocket propelled grenades and roadside bombs
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« Reply #13 on: June 28, 2005, 09:22:13 PM »

There are three steps to listening to a major presidential speech. Hear the speech. Hear the commentary. And hear the speech again. I provide these insights after completing only two of the three steps.

Our president answered every objection laid upon him, as a result of our involvement in Iraq. He said, "The labor is hard and the suffering is real," and he enumerated a dozen other objections the American people have had against that war. He acknowledged that there were people asking, "Is it worth it?" But he made his case.

And, in the end, the troops, raised to their feet by presidential praise and admiration, gave him a standing applause.

They believe in him.

He believes in them.

And they know that he believes in them.

For the first time, he dared to call them "the Greatest Generation." That was a bold step, and one that only a president could take. But they understood it for the challenge, as much as for the honor, that it was.
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« Reply #14 on: June 28, 2005, 09:37:40 PM »

Here's the full text: http://tinyurl.com/au5x7

The short version: Blah blah blah... 9/11... blah blah blah... terror.. blah blah blah... freedom... blah blah blah 9/11... blah blah blah.

Still trying to insinuate there is a link between Iraq and 9/11.  Still has no plan for ending the war we had no reason to start.  Using the soldiers as props.  Bush has no credibility left, and is an absolute embarrassment.
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« Reply #15 on: June 28, 2005, 09:44:10 PM »

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There are three steps to listening to a major presidential speech. Hear the speech. Hear the commentary. And hear the speech again. I provide these insights after completing only two of the three steps.

Our president answered every objection laid upon him, as a result of our involvement in Iraq. He said, "The labor is hard and the suffering is real," and he enumerated a dozen other objections the American people have had against that war. He acknowledged that there were people asking, "Is it worth it?" But he made his case.

And, in the end, the troops, raised to their feet by presidential praise and admiration, gave him a standing applause.


He made his case that the war was worth it??  Yikes, I guess I missed that.  There are 1700 dead Americans, 14,000 wounded, and as many as 100,000 dead INNOCENT Iraqi CIVILIANS.  The war has put us in terrible debt, there is no end in sight, and we have made virtually no progress!

Oh, and that "standing ovation" was started by Bush staffers standing in the back.
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« Reply #16 on: June 29, 2005, 08:28:46 AM »

Whatever!  A majority of the United States citizens that voted ELECTED George Bush President.

As for the standing ovation being led by his staffers, that's BS.  Those were military people and the President of the United States is THEIR boss.  They STOOD out of RESPECT.   Something that was apparently not taught to many people who post on internet forums.

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« Reply #17 on: June 29, 2005, 12:37:06 PM »

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Whatever!  A majority of the United States citizens that voted ELECTED George Bush President.

As for the standing ovation being led by his staffers, that's BS.  Those were military people and the President of the United States is THEIR boss.  They STOOD out of RESPECT.   Something that was apparently not taught to many people who post on internet forums.

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They may have elected him 7 months ago, but they wouldn't elect him today: http://surveyusa.com/Bush50StateApproval0605.htm

As for the standing ovation, it was reported by NBC's Kelly O'Donnell, ABC's Terry Moran, and even right-wing Fox News' Carl Cameron that Bush staffers started the ovation (although Fox spun it, of course).

So you're implying I don't have respect?  I'm supposed to have respect for a president who lied to the American people and congress to mislead us into war, killing tens of thousands of innocent people?  Uhhh... right!

"Blind faith in your leaders will get you killed."  - Bruce Springsteen
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« Reply #18 on: June 30, 2005, 04:15:04 PM »

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I agree that he and the news needs to remind the country of 9/11. The evening news had a segment about suicide bombers on american soil.


but 911 had nothing to do with Iraq----I was all for blowing the taliban, al-queda and afghanistan off the face of the earth, I cheered him on for that. But thisIraq issue was not about terrorism, however, IT IS NOW!


Maybe thats the plan, we create a battle ground in the middle east for the terroist. Better there than here.
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